I really want the safety removed.

1st, it's the only pistol I own with an external safety and the inconsistency in training is annoying.

2nd, with my large hands and preferred grip I frequently activate the safety unintentionally and have to figure out if it's FTF, jam, etc

3rd, I hate external safeties

So, google didn't turn anything up. Any Smiths or experts out there know if I can just remove it myself or will that have deleterious effects on other functions ( do I need to put a shim in in it's place to take up space in the action so it doesn't create looseness where we don't want looseness?)

I'd much rather remove it completely rather than disable and run the risk that someone else thinks it's safe when it's not.

Thanks much. I'll run it through my Gunsmith if it's not a simple job. I've already had it apart to install a Tandemkross trigger and experienced no issues. Great trigger BTW

So, Why'd ya buy it?.......

I have a feeling the OP likes this gun other then the fact the safety does not fit him right with his grip of it. He'd rather alter it then deal it. Definitely cheaper in the long run

Yes you are correct on that one also. I wonder just how long he has owned it? That would be the cheapest thing to do but we all can not be the same every day.

The video below by TandemKross shows how to install their trigger replacement. As part of that installation, you have to remove and replace the safety. You might be able to get some idea of what it would take to replace/bypass the safety by watching the detailed takedown of the pistol. It might be as simple as using a small hacksaw or Dremel tool to cut off the part of the safety that protrudes to the side of the gun (the part that your finger actuates). That may work, or that may ruin the gun. You'd have to try it. The spring retainer that goes on the side of the safety would be my first concern - look into how that would operate if you were to saw off the actuation part. I'd call S&W first, and verify that they will sell you a new safety if your efforts fail and you need a replacement.

TANDEMKROSS SW22 Victory Trigger Installation Video - YouTube

I had this same issue, but I'm left handed. After several rounds, my knuckle inadvertently would flip the safety lever on while shooting and it's a pain in the *****. I called S&W and they said the gun isn't made for lefties (*sigh*). Then I asked if I can remove it and they said the gun will not function properly if I removed it and they do not recommend it. The other option I have is to change the grips. I called Volquartsen and they're coming out with left handed wood grips around Jan. or Feb. The grip is substantially longer and wider and will help me from switching on the safety while shooting. If you want to see what the grips looks like, you can go to their website or to 22plinkster's youtube page (he thinks the manufacturer's grips were too small) and you'll see him using these grips and he loves them!!!! Lastly, I'm not sure how your wife and children will like the change of grips, but I'm almost positive it will help with your safety issues. Oh and the grips are $150. That's also something to consider. Good luck!

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I have their trigger installed and really like it along with the Halo they sell. Both are great products.

I'll rewatch the video and I have an appointment with my gunsmith tomorrow. I'll let you know what I find out.

Not surprised that Smith couldn't condone modifying the gun. Lawyers and all. I'll let you know if there's any actual problems with the action after I look closer and likely remove the safety

I bought the gun primarily for the kids to train on and they already have excellent trigger and muzzle discipline at 8 and 10. Spending $150 on grips that'll make it cumbersome for their hands isn't in the cards but I greatly appreciate the suggestion.

JMHO, but if your training kids, training them to use a safety isn't a bad thing. There are still allot of handguns out there that have safety's in their design . They may own their own some day.

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Do you know anyone who can do small sized metal work? I'm thinking you might be able to cleanly saw off the actuation part of the safety for your "no safety wanted" use. Leave the internal safety in place, just cut it so it would have a nub sticking out to the side where the actuator used to be. Then have your gunsmith/metal-worker fabricate a new actuation part so that you can snap it in (like an automotive blade fuse) for the kids use when then want to practice using a safety. This new actuator might just be a rectangular block of aluminum (long and skinny in profile) with a slot milled into it that would slip over the safety's nub with enough tightness to keep it in place yet still be removable. Or if the internal safety will stick to a magnet (probably not - it's probably stainless), the new actuator could use the combination of a milled slot and a magnet to keep it attached.

Completely reasonable opinion but this particular safety is entirely too easy to activate AND/OR deactivate so I don't want them to ever depend on a safety, especially this one. Way too easy to think its on when it's not or off when it's not. Too light and no significant click/release/etc when pressed up or down.

It won't ever be carried chambered though, that's for sure ;-)
Especially with the light trigger

House rules:
load mag
approach line and firing position
assess target and beyond
chamber with excellent trigger and muzzle discipline
have at it
maintain excellent trigger and muzzle discipline until the slide is locked back and chamber verified empty

I just stuck a magnet to the stainless pistol in my pocket?

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[QUOTE=BillCarr;139352345]I have their trigger installed and really like it along with the Halo they sell. Both are great products.

As I type this, I literally just received my trigger in the mail. I've watched the video twice now and I'm scared to attempt putting the trigger in. The guy made it look simple, but I have a feeling it's going to challenge me. How did it go when you installed yours? Was it a headache??

No. It was easy. They warn you about installing that little spring and detent. Those parts are indeed small. But it was not difficult to get them in place. I was expecting to have it all fly off into oblivion, but that didn't happen. But I was very careful and kept steady during that part. Once you have it in place, hold it there with your finger the entire time until those parts are securely put back together. I had scotch tape handy, the plan being to cover that little spring/detent assembly with the tape to keep it in place, but I never needed to take that step.

As I was assembling the gun, I pulled the hammer back and it locked in the cocked position. It didn't say to do that in the video. I don't know why I cocked the hammer, but for some reason I did. I was panicked a little because at that point of assembly you can't uncock the hammer. And I couldn't get it back disassembled to start over. So I went back and watched that part of the video again to see how to get myself out of the hammer-cocked mess. In the video, they never say to cock the hammer, but in their pictures you see that the hammer is indeed cocked as you go into the next step of the reassembly. So I figured I'd keep on going with my assembly, with my hammer cocked. It all went perfectly from there, and I had been worried about cocking my hammer prematurely when that didn't turn out to matter at all. Note: In the video at the 10:00 point, you'll see the hammer is forward, uncocked. You don't get a good view of the hammer again until the 12:00 point in the video. Notice that it is now in the cocked position. So I was all freaked out because I had cocked my hammer inadvertently, but it was actually supposed to be cocked at 12:00 in the video. They just neglected to tell you to cock it. So I was worried for no reason.

I would recommend when you get to that spring/detent installation part, do that in the middle of a carpeted room with no furniture or clutter around. So that way if you indeed do have your spring/detent fly out, you have a fighting chance to find them. On a non-carpeted floor they could roll around to who knows where. And do have your gun in a make-shift vice (they show you how to use a C-clamp for that). The vice frees up both hands to work on that spring/detent step. Bright flashlights shined horizontally close to floor level are good to help you find small parts that are hidden in the carpet. I had no trouble with my spring/detent, but I was ready for it. Besides being over carpet in a clearing, I was nude too. Didn't want things to fly up and get embedded in my clothes (I know, "too much information"!) When putting miniature spring parts like this together in other projects in the past, I have sometimes coated them in vasoline to make them a little sticky so they cling to you and are harder to drop.

I was tired of safety going into the safe position during shoots, especially during matches. 3-16-2020 I called S&W customer service and asked if they had a replacement part to correct the issue. Her answer was "no". I then asked if the pistol would function without the safety and her answer was an immediate "yes" 5 minutes later that pesky devil was removed. Now none of my handguns have external safeties on them and I am happy about that. Removing any safety is a personal matter and you must be confident you can handle your pistol safely without an external safety before making an modification!

So, it's been half a year since you removed your safety. Any problems since then? I just did it on my S&W Victory, it function checks alright, I just wonder if it's a good long term solution, or there's more to it. Please let us know! Thanks in advance.

I have two of the Victory’s and have removed the safety and the magazine disconnect with no problems. I shot them for some time with no problems then I must have changed my grip because I started activating them on both guns. Easy to do. Some people just remove the spring.

Maybe for the same reason I did, great gun at a great price. Perfect, no. How could S&W make anything that's perfect for everyone, naive to think so. With a few changes SW22 could be the perfect gun,,,,,,,for me. Not sure where you were going with your post, hope this helps. I usually modify most of my guns. I always start with one that's close already, like the SW22.

That's because stainless steel firearms are made from 400-grade stainless which has some carbon steel alloyed in for hardness. True stainless is 300-grade and will not attract a magnet.

Ed