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Originally Posted by Colonel
8-2-2017 Update:
I emailed Speer on an unrelated matter letting them know I was not getting the advertised 890 fps from a 5" 1911 but only 778 fps through the my chronograph. They emailed be back and said all they could do is send me a shipping label and they would test the velocity. I brought up that it didn't feed onto my S&W 1911sC Commander length, and they immediately said it was the guns fault not even knowing all the facts.
Fast forward, they sent the shipping label, I sent the ammo and they said the ammo didn't meet the overall length specification and the velocity measured was a little slow. However, they didn't indicate what the actual velocity was.
They did send replacement ammo one for one what I sent in, but I will no longer purchase, or consider Speer Gold Dots for any applications.
The entire process dragged on for months and has given me a bad taste for Speer ammo.
Not bashing them, just sharing my negative experience with them.
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Sorry to hear about your frustrating experience with that batch of 230gr GDHP .45 ACP.
I can think of a couple of
other major American ammo makers who have experienced the same sort of QC issue with some of their LE duty ammo over the years.
One of them involved a couple of different calibers some years apart, only recognized when a gun company asked for the specific duty ammo being used when some agencies reported feeding & functioning issues (different guns). The factory testing revealed significantly reudced velocities from the required spec velocities.
In the other, after a couple of agencies reported significant key-holing on qual ranges, the ammo maker reviewed ammo and discovered a problem with a couple of production lots that had been produced. They recalled not only the known affected lots, but lots at each end of the production for that week's production (just to be sure, I was told).
To be fair, though, it's this sort of thing that prompts some LE/Gov agencies to periodically & randomly test ammunition.
When I was working as an instructor/armorer and able to use ammo from my agency's ammo inventory, I had the opportunity to either personally fire random boxes from cases of various production lots being used for training/quals/duty, or observe other staff fire it. That gave me confidence to use it for duty/carry.
Sure, we'd still see the run-of-the-mill things come through in boxes every once in a great while, like mangled bullets, case mouths or bad primers, but those things were few and far between when you consider the many pallets of cases of ammo that would not have any problems.
Now, when I buy commercial OTC (or even LE ammo as an individual officer purchase), I like to take several rounds from either an individual box, or a few random rounds from a couple of boxes (especially if from different production lots), and test-fire for feed & function in
my pistols, being used in
my magazines, in
my hands.
When the major ammo makers are pumping out upwards of a million rounds of some caliber every 24 hours, it's not hard to imagine the potential of some minor calibration variance of the equipment to produce either a component issue (improperly trimmed case, mangled JHP, etc), or a assembly issue (short powder load, mangled JHP, case mouth, etc).
A simple visual and tactile inspection of each round loaded into a magazine can reveal some issues, but sometimes it takes test-fire to detect others.
Then, there's the potential variance & tolerance stack involved in individual magazines (especially in 1911's, it seems). Magazines are "assemblies", after all, and even a minor variance in the spec's and tolerances of some ammo might not be tolerated by some particular magazine.
Yep, it can be expensive to test-fire feeding & functioning with carry ammo, but how valuable is your well being and life?
FWIW, I've learned of manufacturing and production issues involving all the major American ammo makers at one time or another.
Take your pick, inspect what you buy/use at any particular time, and perhaps be prepared to check everything again later when you buy some other production lot (or individual boxes from other productions lots).
No doubt some folks will want to offer the opinion that this is why they load their own ammunition. Well, notwithstanding the issues that may arise from the use of non-factory ammunition for personal defensive application, I wish I had a dollar for every "bad" hand-loaded round I've come through the range in private citizen training classes over the years I volunteered to help teach them.
I've had to stop more range sessions, more times, so someone could resolve a feeding/functioning problem with their hand-loaded ammo than I ever have when everyone was using American factory ammo. I got to hear the comments and explanations, "But I've never had this problem with my hand-loads, before?!?", and, "I've never had this problem with the hand-loaded ammo my friend makes, before?!?" quite a bit.
As an avid hand-loader when I was a much younger man, I remember success being about the quality of the components used, how they were stored and handled, and the attention to the process during the assembly of the hand-loads, each and every moment.
I'm not making excuses. Just making the observation that these things may sometimes happen every once in a great while.