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A local gun shop has started an auction site and I discovered they have several magazines for sale, including several for some S&W 3rd Gen semi-autos. Quite a few for the 6906.

I don't know about the rules for posting links so, just internet search "Gun Agents". Once you are at the site, search "magazines".

While you are there, you can check out the good prices on some firearms too.

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The good news is that if the magazines are new in the box and don't work S&W will replace them with magazines that do work - IF S&W still has them. They did it for me with 6906 magazines that I bought from Midway - they were S&W's products so they replaced them immediately. I didn't even bother to talk to Midway.
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The good news is that if the magazines are new in the box and don't work S&W will replace them with magazines that do work - IF S&W still has them. They did it for me with 6906 magazines that I bought from Midway - they were S&W's products so they replaced them immediately. I didn't even bother to talk to Midway.


What was Wrong with the Midway Magazines u picked up? I have a Couple New ones I picked up from midway a while back that I have stored away


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A local gun shop has started an auction site and I discovered they have several magazines for sale, including several for some S&W 3rd Gen semi-autos. Quite a few for the 6906.
I wonder if those 6906 magazines are OEM or aftermarket? Some aftermarket copies are very close in appearance to OEM. Shipping looks like $8.00 per magazine or pair of magazines.

Anybody going for these? I'm out of luck 'cause Massachusetts (even though if they are OEM they are pre-bans).
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I wonder if those 6906 magazines are OEM or aftermarket? Some aftermarket copies are very close in appearance to OEM. Shipping looks like $8.00 per magazine or pair of magazines.

Anybody going for these? I'm out of luck 'cause Massachusetts (even though if they are OEM they are pre-bans).
I will ask the owner of the shop next time I am in there.

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I will ask the owner of the shop next time I am in there.
Ask him if he will ship "pre-ban" hi-cap magazines to loony moonbat Massachusetts.
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I've never seen aftermarket 6906 magazines. 59xx, 3013/14, and even 457/4516, but never a 6906.


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I wonder if those 6906 magazines are OEM or aftermarket? Some aftermarket copies are very close in appearance to OEM. Shipping looks like $8.00 per magazine or pair of magazines.

Anybody going for these? I'm out of luck 'cause Massachusetts (even though if they are OEM they are pre-bans).
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I have bought a few S&W CS 45 magazines from Midway. No problems what so ever.
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I've never seen aftermarket 6906 magazines. 59xx, 3013/14, and even 457/4516, but never a 6906.
Hi, Gary!

I have in front of me two new-in-package Millett blued steel, 15 round magazines for "S&W Compact 9MM".
69XX length, not 59XX length.
I don't know when they were made.
Late 80s, I guess.
I got them a few years ago from GPC (Numrich).
I haven't seen them advertised in years.

If pictures weren't such a hassle, I'd post some.

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I've never seen aftermarket 6906 magazines. 59xx, 3013/14, and even 457/4516, but never a 6906.
And here I thought you knew everything about 3rd Gen magazines! Absolutely there are aftermarket magazines out there. Sorry GaryS, but I have to do it...

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Wise guy! Maybe it's because I have so many OEM ones that I never considered it. Or, maybe some of my "OEM" ones aren't. Now I have to look.

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Wise guy! Maybe it's because I have so many OEM ones that I never considered it. Or, maybe some of my "OEM" ones aren't. Now I have to look.
Don't mind me. I'm just envious!
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Well, you guys made me do it. I went through my 6906 magazines. There are four distinctly different ones. The ones I am 100% sure are OEM are stainless, have witness holes and numbers on both sides, and have a "S" on one side, and an "O" on the other. These match the three that came with the gun when I bought it used. It came with box, three magazines, and maybe the manual. The box is in a closet with the other boxes and I'm too unambitious to go and look right now.

Then there are the stainless ones with full witness holes on one side with numbers, but only a single witness hole on the other side with no numbers. No "O", either. They do have magazine release cut outs on both sides.

Then there is one blue one, with witness holes and numbers on one side only, no "S", no "O", and mag release on one side only.

Finally, I have two blue ones with two witness holes on one side, one on the other side, no numbers, no "S", no "O", and mag release cut out on the other.

None are marked "LE and Military Only", because those are super killy and not allowed in the PRM.

None of them look like the ones that ladder 13 has posted pictures of. They all look identical as far as shape and base plates go, with the variations as noted.

None of them have the S&W logo on them as do ladder 13's. in fact they have no markings on them at all other than as noted.

Are they all OEM variations? Who knows?

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Now you see why we need a chapter on magazines in the next edition of the Bible.
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Good idea. I volunteer... YOU to write it!

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Ummm... those are 2nd Gen hi-caps with a collar for a 469/669. Those are not the 12-rd built to fit the frame size of the 469/669/69xx. The pictured mags are 14 or 15 rounds capacity. 69xx OEM is 12-rd with a curvy thumb rest.
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Good idea. I volunteer... YOU to write it!
And I volunteer oldman10mm in my place! He is the true king of 3rd Gen magazines.

Anyway, a quick check of the Interwebs would seem to indicate that the 6900-series magazines with only one or two witness holes on the left side might just be earlier 2nd Gen magazines.
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Then they are DEFINITELY pre ban. How many do you want?


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Anyway, a quick check of the Interwebs would seem to indicate that the 6900-series magazines with only one or two witness holes on the left side might just be earlier 2nd Gen magazines.
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Then they are DEFINITELY pre ban. How many do you want?
No kidding! We prisoners of Massachusetts think alike!

The only thing better than a pre-ban 3rd Gen magazine is an even more pre-ban 2nd Gen magazine for the same gun.
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Ummm... those are 2nd Gen hi-caps with a collar for a 469/669. Those are not the 12-rd built to fit the frame size of the 469/669/69xx. The pictured mags are 14 or 15 rounds capacity. 69xx OEM is 12-rd with a curvy thumb rest.
Great, even better. So they're 15 rd factory mags?
I picked up a 6904 awhile back , 3- 12 rd mags and those came with it.

2nd Gen? Since I don't have one and never wanted one, I'll off these. How much are they worth?
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Referring back to TTSHs' post #18,I wish I was able to 'write' something up. But I'm a 'newbie' when it comes to 3rd gens(and/or 1st & 2nd gens).
I've had a 1006 since the early 90s' and added a CS9 sometime after that. I didn't start pursueing 3rd gen pistols until the end of 2012. Since then I added a 5946,915(sold it recently),6906,6946,& 4053(for conversion to 10mm). I don't have many 3rd gen pistols.
I have a lot of magazines,hence being called 'king of 3rd gen mags'. I buy mags at gun shows(7 shows so far in 2017) and watch the firearms forums for those wanting/needing mags. I sell for $5 over what I paid + USPS postage. I probably shipped about a dozen 10mm mags around the country,the 10caps go to California,others scattered around elsewhere. I have 45 mags and don't own a 45,I have 40 double stackers and don't own a gun for them. I try to maintain a variety. I'm still learning about the various varieties.
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Great, even better. So they're 15 rd factory mags?
I picked up a 6904 awhile back , 3- 12 rd mags and those came with it.

2nd Gen? Since I don't have one and never wanted one, I'll off these. How much are they worth?
Yes, those appear to be factory S&W 659 mags. They don't look the same as 5906 mags but they are functionally the same -- almost mostly. Later 5906 were cut on both sides for a swappable mag release, these are not. And with the big black collar on them, they cannot currently be stuffed in to a full-frame double stack such as a 59, 659 ot 5906 or variant.

You can stick a regular 5906 mag in to a 6906 and it runs 100%, you just have nothing for your bottom finger to grip and the piatol looks goofy. With these... the pistol still looks goofy but now you have a solid hand-hold on a compact-frame pistol.

I wouldn't say they are worth some gold mine but as our comrades in occupied territory above (Mass and other restricted places), 2nd Gen mags are -ALL- obvious pre-bans with no arguments. The AWB went in to effect in early 1994 and these particular mags were out of production by 1988.

So to most of us, they are fully functional and have nostalgia. But to folks in a place such as Massachusetts, these have increased value.

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2nd Gen? Since I don't have one and never wanted one, I'll off these. How much are they worth?
Ha!!! Funny how you two are suddenly interested in "taking a little profit" off your newly discovered 2nd Gen guaranteed pre-ban magazines! The truth is that your average cop in Massachusetts these days isn't going to know a 2nd Gen magazine from a 3rd Gen magazine from an M&P magazine! That's the big problem. 99.9% chance that if the question ever came up, they would arrest you first, void your license, confiscate your collection... and let a state prosecutor figure it all out later. Yes, that's how it works here.

Anyway, I notice that the 6900-series magazines on the OP's auction website are all 2nd Gens as well (or at least that's what is shown in the photos). So do you think he would send them to moonbat Massachusetts? I'll bet you all a large Dunkin Donuts coffee that he won't.
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Referring back to TTSHs' post #18,I wish I was able to 'write' something up. But I'm a 'newbie' when it comes to 3rd gens(and/or 1st & 2nd gens).
I've had a 1006 since the early 90s' and added a CS9 sometime after that. I didn't start pursueing 3rd gen pistols until the end of 2012. Since then I added a 5946,915(sold it recently),6906,6946,& 4053(for conversion to 10mm). I don't have many 3rd gen pistols.
I have a lot of magazines,hence being called 'king of 3rd gen mags'. I buy mags at gun shows(7 shows so far in 2017) and watch the firearms forums for those wanting/needing mags. I sell for $5 over what I paid + USPS postage. I probably shipped about a dozen 10mm mags around the country,the 10caps go to California,others scattered around elsewhere. I have 45 mags and don't own a 45,I have 40 double stackers and don't own a gun for them. I try to maintain a variety. I'm still learning about the various varieties.
It's a great service you provide. And I consider you not only a fine 3rd Gen gun collector and gentleman (and 10mm aficionado), but also a true magazine collector as well.

That's why I nominate you to be responsible for the very first chapter ever on S&W magazines in the next edition of the Bible.
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Ha!!! Funny how you two are suddenly interested in "taking a little profit" off your newly discovered 2nd Gen guaranteed pre-ban magazines! o
Hey whadda I know, they went from useless aftermarket mags to MA gold in no time 😜
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Hey whadda I know, they went from useless aftermarket mags to MA gold in no time 😜
Ha!!!!! You mean you think I blew it? Well, maybe I did.

I am so "magazined-out" right now that I can barely think. If you think S&W pre-bans are complicated, try getting into some of the other brands! That's what I get for straying from the mothership!

Thank God for the forum members who have set me straight and helped me out when I most needed it. You all know who you are. This is a truly great forum!

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ETA: Here are the aftermarket ones I'm most worried about getting hold of by mistake. The problem is that they look very much like S&W 6900-series pre-bans but they are post-ban and could land me in prison for up to 10 years... plus get my license voided and collection confiscated just for good measure, of course.

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I would not buy any aftermarket magazines based on the seller's representation that they were "pre ban". I made that mistake once with AR 15 magazines, only to find out they were new manufacture. They were shipped out of state for storage until I can figure out what to do with them. But, I digress.

To the best of my, and that ofseveral people who study the laws in MA, no one has ever been charged for mere possession of "high capacity feeding devices." Those other people are in court on a lot of gun cases and are very conversant in the law.

Everyone charged under that law is also charged with serious, often violent, felonies. The police and DA will throw every conceivable charge at a person, knowing that most of them will be bargained away. Which is why only one person has ever been convicted on the 40+ year old "Bartley-Fox" law for mere possession of a long gun without a Firearms ID card.

For example, if a person were to be arrested for drug possession with intent to sell, and they had a firearm on them, they'd be charged with the original charge, possession of a firearm without a license, possession of ammunition without a license, and if it was a so called "high capacity" magazine, they'd be charged with possession of a high capacity feeding device without a license. Pre or post ban would really matter.

Now, if the gun happened to be under the seat of the car they were in, that would be another charge for improper storage of a firearm.

Most of those charges would be tossed in the inevitable plea bargain (Remember, in the halls of justice, the only real justice is in the halls!).

All of which is to say that if I were to be in a position where I was going to run afoul of the law, pre versus post ban magazines wouldn't even be on the list.

Which is why I'm not worried about any of those 69xx magazines, and worry even less about the 2nd Gen magazines. Which, while curiosities in about 45 of the US states, are actually pretty valuable here in the PRM.

It's not an issue at all with M&P semi autos since they were all introduced after the ban and so anything with more than 10 rounds is by definition prohibited.

Glocks are a bigger issue because they were initially produced before the ban, but have continued more or less the same since the ban. People really obsess about pre and post ban Glock magazines. It's been several years since I had a Glock 23, so I forgot what magazines it came with. It was a refurbished LE gun, thus salable in MA, even though dealers can't sell new ones here.

Anyway, I'm not worried about either the 69xx or 59xx magazines I have.

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I would not buy any aftermarket magazines based on the seller's representation that they were "pre-ban". I made that mistake once with AR 15 magazines, only to find out they were new manufacture.
Don't feel so bad. Half of Massachusetts and New York has fallen for that misrepresentation scam at one time or another.

My point is that I don't want to get stuck with a post-ban aftermarket magazine... period. I would never knowingly order one but they do look near identical to the real pre-ban deal. If you saw one at a show could you immediately tell the difference? I can't say for certain that I would.
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To the best of my, and that of several people who study the laws in MA, no one has ever been charged for mere possession of "high capacity feeding devices." Those other people are in court on a lot of gun cases and are very conversant in the law.
Separate issue IMHO. Not completely irrelevant on a practical level... but scary as Hell in the abstract. 10 years in prison is a long time. I'm not sure I would make it. I also question the knowledge some of the armchair "legal-eagle" wannabees on that other website. There are a lot of things that happen out there that don't make the evening news... and, as you know, we can never forget about "suitability" and the consequences of losing our license.

Put another way, I take the magazine law VERY seriously no matter how stupid and useless it is.
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There are four people over that I trust to know this stuff. I've seen their handiwork enough to know that they are very thorough in their research. There is a fifth that is a bit behind them.

Other than that, i agree with you completely on the general expertise of the self styled experts.

You can PM me if you want to know who they are, no need to clutter up this thread.

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Separate issue IMHO. Not completely irrelevant on a practical level... but scary as Hell in the abstract. 10 years in prison is a long time. I'm not sure I would make it. I also question the knowledge some of the armchair "legal-eagle" wannabees on that other website. There are a lot of things that happen out there that don't make the evening news... and, as you know, we can never forget about "suitability" and the consequences of losing our license.

Put another way, I take the magazine law VERY seriously no matter how stupid and useless it is.
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There are four people over that I trust to know this stuff. I've seen their handiwork enough to know that they are very thorough in their research. There is a fifth that is a bit behind them.

Other than that, i agree with you completely on the general expertise of the self styled experts.

You can PM me if you want to know who they are, no need to clutter up this thread.
No need. I'm good.

But here's a funny story to close this out: I was down in RI pre-ban hi-cap magazine hunting yesterday. Found a total of three pre-ban magazines that seems worth buying so out came the wallet and I threw them in the back seat. On the way home, I decided to swing by another dealer in MA somewhat out of my way before going home. Well, just as I left the free state of RI and entered the crazed moonbat state of MA, a local MA cop started following me... and following me... and following me... ... for a grand total of 8 backroad miles, through every light, stop sign, turn and speed zone. It was really starting to freak me out with those magazines exposed in the backseat... because who knows if the cop would have known they were pre-bans.

Well, he finally turned off (Thank God!)... and ANOTHER COP pulled in right behind me again. This time for only a mile or so but I'll admit that I was more than a little bit concerned about what the heck was going on.

Was I ever glad when I arrived at the dealer's lot and the second cop just kept on going. LESSON LEARNED: When returning from an out-of-state pre-ban magazine hunting expedition, hide the damn magazines... just in case!
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Went to the Akron show today,Sunday. Good show,good crowd,but nobody's buying.
Went directly to my main magazine supplier. Picked up a 10mm mag(he's been holding for me for 2 weeks) for $35 and a 3913TSW mag for $30. It looks just like a std 3913 mag but with a larger rounder baseplate.
While he was getting the 3913TSW mag(he maintains an inventory list of which I have a copy),I looked thru his 'generic' 59 mag cardboard box,never looked thru it before. Probably 30-40 mags in the box,all blue,and probably 75% of them were S&W ID by S&W on the tube or on the baseplate. Some had 1 witness hole,some had 3 witness holes. For now,I'm going to assume they were pre-bans. At next weeks' Berea show,I'll examine them in detail.
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Midway USA has factory 59 series mags on sale for $26. Smith & Wesson Mag S&W 59 459 659 910 915 5903 5904 5906 5923 5924

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I got 5 5906 mags about a month back for a hair under $100 through gunprime. I now have 12 4506 mags, 25 5900 mags, and i think 9 each in the 3913 variety, and 3906 variety. I try to find Smiths mags at shows here in Indiana and if the price is right (usually below 25) I will buy. I figure can never have enough and they may come in handy for parts down the road if need be.
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I wonder if those 6906 magazines are OEM or aftermarket? Some aftermarket copies are very close in appearance to OEM. Shipping looks like $8.00 per magazine or pair of magazines.
I talked with the shop owner, the 6906 magazines are OEM and he sounded flexible on the shipping. I will ask about the MA/Preban issues next time I am in there.
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I talked with the shop owner, the 6906 magazines are OEM and he sounded flexible on the shipping. I will ask about the MA/Preban issues next time I am in there.
That's great! Thank you very much for checking.
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