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Old 03-20-2017, 01:52 PM
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Ihave a offer to buy a 3566 pc center pistol .The barrel is the long 5 inch gun.

The gun is a 356 caliber.i know smith wesson made a 9mm barrel also.

I will buy the gun if i could get a 9mm barrel.
The gun is new unfired in pc case.
The guy has 2000 rounds of 356 ammo,but i dont reload so once that is gone,The ammo would be hard to find.

Can i ask or get any advice on where to get a 9mm barrel made,or find one of the original 9mm barrels for the 3566

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I'm not sure you can source a barrel at this point. I believe S&W used 952 (5") barrels for these when requested by the owners. Not sure if they did it for the compact model.

I was like you a couple years ago, when I was presented an opportunity to pick up a 3566 Limited which is the 5" version and it came with the 9mm auxiliary barrel. If it didn't, I would have passed on it due to same reasons you listed for ammo.

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I can't think of anything to do except talk to the PC and see if they still have sone barrels in Stock. Novaks had some i believe barsto made smith barrels laying around for a long time. Not sure if they still do but they'd be someone to talk to as well. If you contact novaksights try to talk to the Wayne himself as you might get more flexibility than you would by talking to whoever picks up the phone.
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FastCashInc,
Do you have more than one name here in the FORUM?

I was just asked this same question in a PM yesterday by someone claiming to also be in the process of acquiring a 3566


A barrel is easy, you just need a fist full of money and lots of patience

The only thing that stops people for make 1 of any product is the setup time and cost.

If you call and talk to Briley, they can make the barrel and fit it to the Briley spherical bushing that the 3566 was built with.

Just remember, if they agree to do this, it is not going to be a $200 barrel nor will it be a fast turnaround time.


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as to 3566 compact, yes they could also have 9MM barrels fitted by the Performance Center. This was the same barrel that was used in the PC9 and 9 RECON Performance Center offerings


While off to a slow start, I am trying to bring the 356TSW folks expertise and experiences together at 356TSW.Com

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There is someone who I believe is having a run of the 9mm barrels for the 3566's being made. I have several of his barrels and they work great.

I sent him an email with a link to this page so stay tuned.
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You might check with Briley (if they are still around), they were the original makers of the Briley bushing used on the PC guns and supplied aftermarket barrels for them..
There are three different models, the full sized Limited, the Shorty and the Stocking Dealer gun, so you will need to get the right barrel length.
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You didn't say if this was a compact or a full size, but either will shoot regular 9mm. You might need a lighter spring for the full size on a compact you can remove the inner spring and it will work find. You are counting on the extractor to hold the 9mm round against the firing pin and will need to brush the chamber out good, much like shooting .38s' in a magnum. Anyone that can load 9mm can do 356tsw for you. 9x21 ammo will also work, but factory is loaded to the same power as 9mm and may need lower spring rates. I had a 9mm barrel for my full size made by the PC in the late 90s' and it was $225 back then. When they made USPSA Limited major class .40 minimum I started using my Briley Comp for Bullseye. I've used a light loaded 105gr 9mm in it ever since with no failures and good accuracy. Federal offered a Hydra-Shok personal defense round which was loaded to the same specs as 9mm +P and worked in both my full and compact guns without any spring change. Don't let ammo stop you from getting a great gun.
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The gun has the 5 inch barrel.

Handgunner,i want to make sure of what you typed.

Can i shoot 9mm ammo in the 356 barrel??
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The gun has the 5 inch barrel.

Handgunner,i want to make sure of what you typed.

Can i shoot 9mm ammo in the 356 barrel??
Sure you can!

Just like you can shoot .40s&w in a 10mm barrel.

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You can get one through me. s537@yahoo.com or 425-444-0511.

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I purchase a 9mm barrel for my 3566 TSW COMPACT from Scott some time ago. I had asked S&W twice to fit a barrel and was told both time that they did not have any to fit.

Scott gave me good, quick service.

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Hi Fastcashinc
I have purchased a few 3566 barrels from Scott. Excellent barrels made by the same folks that did the original. I will soon have a .357 Sig barrel for a 3566 that I planned to put in my PC 40 Tactical. It is a five inch barrel. I know you want a 9MM but consider the .357 Sig. Scott actually still has it as I have not yet bought it so if you'd like it send me a PM and I'll work out the details. I'm sure he can get you a 9MM though. Buy the 3566 regardless! And JohnHL don't give me a bunch of stuff about the .357 Sig in my Tactical 40,ha, ha!
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I have two 9X19 5906s with the factory Briley bushing, what would I need to do to get 356TSW via either barrels or a rechamber?

I plan to email or phone tomorrow, but I am impatient right now....
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I have a box of Federal, I hope someone occasionally makes brass?
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I also purchased a barrel from Scott and am well pleased. I bought it for the compact and fit was perfect - and machining better than the original.

I have not seen a run of .356 brass in years. I have occasionally found some on gunbroker.


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The 356 TSW brass can easily be made by trimming 9X23 winchester brass which is available from Starline
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Well Hi There, T&B!

Yes you know I am a .357 Sig fanboy and I am bewildered that S&W chose not to chamber any 3rd gens in that hot round.

In my own experience, it is a recipe for incipient and eventual failure to start with a barrel proofed for a lower pressure cartridge, thin the chamber walls by reaming to accommodate the larger, high pressure cartridge, and then stick it in an aluminum frame admittedly designed as a compromise between weight and longevity.

When I tried it, even with Wolff's strongest recoil spring, that barrel left a mark where it hit that aluminum frame.

OTOH, if a shooter were to source a custom barrel, from a maker who understands metallurgy and high pressure chamber containment, and install it in a steel framed 3rd gen, then that would be an acceptable combination.

My own experience with .357 Sig barrels in steel frame 3rd gens has been quite satisfactory (as long as I run enough spring).

BTW, a 5" barreled .357 Sig semi-auto should have ballistics approaching that of the "king of the one-shot stops", the vaunted .357 Magnum out of a 4" revolver.

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Hi, Poohgyrr!

I don't mean to hijack the OP's thread, but as I recall, you posted in a thread by Dave Nash (or maybe he posted in your thread) and he mentioned that he thought he knew you.

I am trying to contact Mr. Nash about some slides he owned:


Factory Experimental 5906 Slide

and I keep hitting dead ends.

His PM mailbox is full, other members have said they have e-mailed him, but there has been no response.
No one has chosen to share his e-mail or phone number with me so I am stymied.

Do you know him and if you do, will you help me contact him?
If so, it would be greatly appreciated and an education into the development of the 3rd gen pistols for the members of this forum.

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Yes you know I am a .357 Sig fanboy and I am bewildered that S&W chose not to chamber any 3rd gens in that hot round.
At the time, Smith and Wesson was heavily promoting their own new Law Enforcement cartridge, the 40S&W.

I was surprised at the 357SIGMA offering in the late 90s.


Had the 356TSW been targeted toward the Law Enforcement community at that time I do not believe that the 357SIG or 40S&W cartridges would have a much of a following these days.

However, the Smith and Wesson tool room did produce at least one third generation Smith and Wesson auto-loader. It is a Shorty 357SIG. The pistol was configured like a shorty 40. The firearm pictured is a run of one piece. The serial number before and after it are different guns.


It is possible that other tool room 357SIGs were assembled in different configurations. Perhaps one day another configuration will show up.

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In my own experience, it is a recipe for incipient and eventual failure to start with a barrel proofed for a lower pressure cartridge, thin the chamber walls by reaming to accommodate the larger, high pressure cartridge, and then stick it in an aluminum frame admittedly designed as a compromise between weight and longevity.

When I tried it, even with Wolff's strongest recoil spring, that barrel left a mark where it hit that aluminum frame.

OTOH, if a shooter were to source a custom barrel, from a maker who understands metallurgy and high pressure chamber containment, and install it in a steel framed 3rd gen, then that would be an acceptable combination.

My own experience with .357 Sig barrels in steel frame 3rd gens has been quite satisfactory (as long as I run enough spring).

BTW, a 5" barreled .357 Sig semi-auto should have ballistics approaching that of the "king of the one-shot stops", the vaunted .357 Magnum out of a 4" revolver.

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The 357SIG does very well in a 5" autoloader. My 90grain JHPs move out at almost 1800 FPS. I have not chronographed any 125s out of the 5" barrel.


357SIG is a great cartridge and is even very controlable in SMGs. 30 rounds can be put on target in under 2 seconds.

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Nice post and homage to the .357 Sig, colt_saa!

That Shorty 357 is way cool!
I would guess the Shorty 40 runs the dual nested springs like the 4013TSW but I wonder how the "Tool Room" sprung the Shorty 357 for the hotter cartridge, especially in an aluminum frame.

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JohnHL,

I don't have personal contact information for Mr Nash, but will PM him. I would like to ask him a question about the 356TSW myself. I understand he is pretty busy sometimes; this may be one of those times.

And one of my 5906's is a very sweet shooting five incher. A bit more power is an interesting idea...
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And the 40S&W and 357Sig were mentioned. The 40 offers interesting ballistics. And with the lack of 356TSW ammo, I carry a 357Sig at work; and often on my own time as well.

A good TDA 3rd Gen in 356TSW would fit just fine in my holster. Or, even a good M&P.
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To the OP. I have a 3566 Limited (5") and I too got a 9x19mm barrel from Briley in Houston. I believe Briley actually supplied the 356tsw barrels to SW for the model 3566. I got my barrel from a few they had left over in the parts dept. It was maybe 6-7 years ago when I did that and it was fairly cheap then, probably not so now. I don't know if they still have any laying around or not. Be worth looking them up. Only issue I've had is sorting out the strength for the recoil spring. I wish I could find out the actual spring rating of the original spring. It's too strong for the 9x19. I suspect a spring from a model 59 would work but haven't actually tried that.
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I use recoil springs for the 5" guns from 645/4506 models. #12 seems to work good for 9mm.
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I use recoil springs for the 5" guns from 645/4506 models. #12 seems to work good for 9mm.
I did find a note somewhere that the factory spring was 18lbs and recommended spring for 9mm was 14lbs. I have a 14 but haven't put in the gun yet. It functioned so poorly with the 18lbs spring that I just quit shooting the gun. This thread had me in the garage digging the limited out of the back/bottom of the safe. I had forgotten I got a Wolf spring for a 39/59 that is 14 lbs. Also an 8lb spring for "reduced loads". I don't recall when I actually got those springs but it must have been when I moved cities. They were both forgotten but in the gun box.

Thanks to this thread, I might actually get that spring changed and give it a try again. Amazing pistol to have sitting in the floor of the safe. It deserves better. I wish Starline would make another run of 356TSW brass!
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Why not use a recoil spring for the 952? Seems like a perfect fit for the 3566 Limited with 5" 9mm barrel. I'll need to check my notes but I think the 952 uses the same spring part number as the 5906.
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The 8lb spring I have lists as a reduced power replacement for the 5906 among others. The 14lb spring is a reduced power replacement for 4006 and 4046 40sw pistols. Both of the replacements are a bit shorter then the original 3566 spring. The 952 sounds like a good idea. I have a model 52, not sure what's in that one but I suspect it would be way too light. Hopefully in the next week or so I can try the 14lb spring and see how it behaves.
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This is what I have in my notes from my discussion with S&W.

The 3566 Limited and 952 uses recoil spring part #06048. This is the same recoil spring part # used in the 5906.

I have shot my 3566 Limited with the 9mm barrel and it functions without issue with this spring. I will note the brass seems to very softly eject.
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The next batch of 9x19 3566 barrels is coming soon, likely by mid-late June. There should also be a batch of Shorty Forty 357 SIG barrels available around the same time. All of these barrels are drop-in, all new manufacture by Briley, made under the watchful eye of the master gunsmith Claudio Salassa. As for the special order stuff the one-offs can require additional man hours and we're working on the basics for the near future, but let me know what you want and it will get worked in. Those that have reached out are on my list and I will not forget about you.
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Scott, are all of the 9x19 barrels in the 5" length or are any being made to fit the 3.5" 3566 compact?

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Spent a day at the range with 3566 and 9mm barrel. Using the lighter wolf spring for a 5906 (inch shorter 14lb spring replacing the factory 356tsw 18lb spring). Had tons of fail to fully go into battery. New barrel, bulk ammo. Not sure exactly why the fail to go fully into battery. Many rounds need an ever so slight nudge with the thumb to get the rounds to chamber that last 1/8 inch. Makes me wonder if the shorter spring is to blame. Accuracy was amazing, I will get this sorted out one of these days. Might also be the chamber, this bulk UMC (Remington) ammo had a fairly short stubby rounded bullet. A handful of winchesters I had with a slightly longer OAL and more tapered bullet worked fine.

Just FYI. Even when you get the 9mm barrel there is going to be some sorting to do. Will try some different reloads first before trying more springs. Potential is surely there.
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Scott, are all of the 9x19 barrels in the 5" length or are any being made to fit the 3.5" 3566 compact?

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I have gotten the 5", 4 1/4", and 3 1/2" barrels from Scott and they all fit and shoot great.

I assume he has ordered all the lengths again.
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I'm sorry for the late reply. I don't check the forum often. I'm getting 3.5, 4.25, 5, and the 5+ for the Briley Comp. I should gave about 25 each within 3 or 4 weeks. More to follow.
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I also purchased a barrel from Scott and am well pleased. I bought it for the compact and fit was perfect - and machining better than the original.

I have not seen a run of .356 brass in years. I have occasionally found some on gunbroker.


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[quote=Poohgyrr;139520794]I have two 9X19 5906s with the factory Briley bushing, what would I need to do to get 356TSW via either barrels or a rechamber?

If you haven't reached out yet I can probably help. If you have then you are on my list and I'll likely have them this month.

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At one time, BarStow offered S&W barrels... I got one in 9x21 fitted to my 39-2. I still have a big box of 9x21 Starline brass. It's switch barrel to orginal 9x19.
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I have two 9X19 5906s with the factory Briley bushing, what would I need to do to get 356TSW via either barrels or a rechamber?

If you haven't reached out yet I can probably help. If you have then you are on my list and I'll likely have them this month.

Yes I want a barrel for a 4" PC5906. If unavailable then a 5" or rechamber if necessary.
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