Guys,as i mentioned in a pre 29 section ,my lgs got in a large collection.The collection has a lot of high grade sigs,smiths,colts etc.

My lgs asked to help him on a few items

There are 2 nib 3566 pc guns with 2900 rounds of 356 ammo.corbon and federal.

The collector had target kn nill target grips with speed chutes put on both guns

My lgs asked me to ask you experts what the going rate is for these new pc guns,along with the ammo.

he is willing to split package,so please use that info in trying to figure out a current day value.

He did say he would go lower if both guns and ammo went to one person

thanks for help

The ammo is excruciatingly difficult to price because it is rarely traded in the same venue as the pistols (Gunbroker) and also need to know if the pistols are the 5" Limited model, single action only with the target Bomar-style rear sight or if it is the carry-gun sized DA/SA pistols or one of each.

The pistols are not traded a lot... but the ammo is typically offered at a completely nutty price and doesn't sell.

The pistols are stunningly beautiful.

seven
The guns are new in factory box with all all paperwork,and correct end label.

5 inch barrel,full target guns.

Count me in as very interested. In the firearms, ammo ,or the package. Feel free to send me a private message.

Best regards, Bob.

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Since you asked the question on behalf of your friend at the LGS, and since he could find this information himself by looking at GB sales, here's just my opinion about value on these items. I watch the 3566 pistols (both the 5" and the 3.5") with interest, as I think they're some of the most beautiful and capable semi-autos ever produced by the Performance Center, and if the 356TSW round had taken off as it could (and should) have, it would be a gold standard now instead of a fading boutique item highly sought after by afficiondaos and reloaders.

Sold separately, I think the two NIB 5" 3566 Limited guns would bring between $2,500 and $3,000 each.

The Corbon ammo (a hot, SD round) would bring $1.50 to $1.75 per round; however, given the large quantity here, the price per round might fall below that if a buyer was firm in insisting on a bulk price. The Federal ammo would bring $1.00 per round easily. So depending on how much of each type is included, price accordingly.

For the entire package, depending on the amounts of Corbon and Federal ammo, and not trying to include any discount the seller might be willing to make to sell everything at once, I think this is worth $10,000. I wish it were mine to sell, but then again, I would hate to sell it!

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Inasmuch as I own both the long and short of 'em (couldn't resist, you all), I believe they are pricey if (and it's important to note the emphasis on "if") a prospective buyer cares to have but one.

But what if two? What is a buyer gonna do? Stare at the same model, one through each eye? Shoot the heck out of one and let the other slide? (Get it: "slide?") Go "Two-Handed" and hock everything to cover the cost of ammo? I mean, ya gotta practice, especially two-handed.

But, in writing the above, even I have to admit to mixed feelings - but only concerning the play on words.

Let us dispatch the caliber .356TSW round price, first. Over the roughly three years S&W Models 3566 (long and short) have occupied space within one of my gun safes and according to the records maintained on such, I've averaged $1.07 per round. Five-weeks ago 95 rounds landed (freight price included) at $.9053 per round. I've paid as much as $2.50 per round when having "no clue" and as little as $.81 per as scrounging ability has since improved.

In short, it costs aplenty just to shoot and while I've close to 500 rounds (Federal and Corbon mix) on hand I've yet to discharge either firearm.

Why? For the same reason I've yet to go totally insane and buy a Caliber .50 BMG firearm, whatever it's make or mechanism: It's per-round price is, like, totally gone, man. I'll bet the price of every Caliber .50 firearm falls worldwide when exhausted are the military ordnance stocks.

I'm with vigil617, above, with his analysis of the Model 3566 TSW pistol and the .356 TSW round, however.

Where vigil617 and I differ, and I mean no disrespect (indeed, I have immense respect for Vigil617 and I've never met this particular Coastie), is the guns' cost.

First this caveat: The gun markets have been all over the place during the last eight years - primarily influenced by the whipsaws of political intrigue - the effects of which have filtered downward into even the collector markets.

So, for now, myself being a collector who sees the market as suspect, e.g., "Will it hold a given price on a given firearm," I'm disposed of awaiting a less expensive price on anything and everything.

I'm also a huge believer in a true auction market; one that when stated "No reserve" means -$zero$- and not a "Starting Bid" with whatever price someone has extruded from the nether regions of his or her body.

Thus, this so-called auction not only doesn't attract my keen interest, I'll only monitor this offering sporadically to see if the seller gains his wits.

Why? Because if these two firearms are truly worthy of a price northward of $4,500 (something implicit in the seller's advertisement) it'll get "there" even if started from zero.

(By the way, I put my -$zero$- starting price where my pocketbook is resultantly affected, truly stating "disappointment" hasn't been encountered in any of my auctions because withheld from this side is "emotion," including if at all possible the stupidity of having paid too much for something in the first place "'cause I just gotta have it." I did such at a much earlier age and it never, ever worked.)

Indeed, a reader of SCSW4 (The Standard Catalog of Smith & Wesson 4) will note similar, restated advice with respect to emotion, being offered by its authors in a variety of ways throughout that wonderful reference work.

NOTE: Model 3566 information can be found in SCSW4, pg. 464.)

Now, how do I know when an auction might take place or even that a specific model has been put up for bid? The various auction sites, including wherein found are the twin 3566s, offer to notify an interested party of activity in a variety of ways, although rarely to the same extent across the plethora of sites, but one can get updates. I've had 3566 "watches" posted in a number of places for years, including the site in question.

Thus I'm aware these particular 3566 TSWs have been offered at the given "No-Reserve Starting Price of $4,500" (that always just slays me) for right around one month, if memory serves. It's been listed for one-week or 10-day intervals (I remember not which) for the aforementioned period. "No takers" tells one something if receptive of listening.

While admitting to no real clue as to how many people might at any given moment be automatically or manually searching for Models 3566, one can reasonably conclude this collector isn't the sole party - more so for an entire month whatever the search method.

So, what's a good price? This collector can only tell you what he is willing to pay at the moment he pays it and brings to mind a topic about which even the SCSW4 authors have written: "The information contained in this book is not carved in stone."

Should this collector be so bold: Among other things, the SCSW4 prices are reference points - not established retail, much less wholesale - and one must have researched the prospective product using the methodology found within SCSW4 to understand the meaning of those reference prices.

Indeed, this collector knows that the SCSW4 authors even considered altogether dropping from print any direct mention of price references, so often misconstrued were they in previous editions.

Please, understand this collector is not trying to be coy or "smart" or withhold pertinent information. Indeed, if anything, pertinent information (except cracking wise) is what this collector has shared.

This collector has literally witnessed prices change overnight, for better and worse. What I may pay for something today can be HEAVILY influenced by information gained tomorrow.

I can tell you that right this minute I'm not gonna pay $4,500 for a pair of consecutively numbered Models 3566.

I also strongly submit that there are a bunch of others out there who for the past month haven't bellied up to pay $4,500, either.

I additionally point out that this collector may for the two Models 3566 pay $4,603 two days from now if a bona fide auction were to be conducted.

It's called: "What the market will bear."

Later.

How rare are these guns really? i have a sw 45CQB performance center black tone matching numbers and they only made like 250 of those. And how many are really around still? well i have seen a few slides only for sale; a i know of a couple modified for movie guns. so those are destroyed in my opinion.

Gentlemen
Thanks very much for info.I know my dealer could have done research,but he has a 500,000 dollar collection he is working on

.I zeroed in on the sw and 210 sig guns.I got 8 sig 210-5-9 longslide heavy frame target guns.New in box.Unfired

There were only 200 made years ago.I am in shock about that.

So on these 2 new 3566 5 inch guns,5500 for 2 guns,and 2600 rounds of new ammo would be an ok deal.

The ammo is 1780 rounds of corbon ammo, ,and 1200 rounds of i think federal 356 ammo.

5500 for both guns,new in box,with ammo would be a good deal

I was thinking between $5-$6k.

$10k = no way!

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I'm really surprised at the $5,500 price for all of what's being sold. I think the seller is giving it away at that price, but that's his business, not mine. Even at 03Fatboy's $6000 upper end, and assuming a very very good price of $1 a round for all the ammo, it seems to me that the two pistols are significantly undervalued at the $1,700 apiece they would bring. Folks are paying more than that for the 3.5" 3566 guns, of which there were about 386 made compared to the 427 or so 5" guns. (DCW, unless I am missing something here, I think you might be confusing the GB auction for the consecutive 3566 3.5" pistols with this LGS's offering, which is for two 5" 3566 pistols not indicated whether they are consecutive.)

Yes, I agree that the two consecutive 3566 guns being offered at about $4,500 on GB are waaaaaayyyy overpriced, and the fact they haven't sold should be a solid sign of that. But I have seen auctions on the 5" guns go as high as $2,800 or so for one of 'em, if I remember correctly, and these are very easily $2,500 guns.

I stand by my $10K valuation, understanding that they might never sell at that price, and knowing I wouldn't be all that disappointed if they didn't, since I'd be able to keep 'em.

No disrespect intended to 03Fatboy or anyone else, whose opinions are every bit as valuable as mine, just different.

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vigil,i agree.I looked for 2 days on the selling history of 5 inch 3566 pistols.I agree with you at a low price,there is almost 3000 dollars of ammo.

I am putting a monetary figure of one dollar a round.i just came from store and recounted the corbon ammo,and there are 2950 rounds.

I forgot to add the collector had target K N NILL grips with magazine chutes put on guns.

So for 2500,a person can buy 2 new unfired 5 inch 3566 pc guns,in the factory box with all paperwork.

Also throw in that there will be a briley 9mm barrel in a couple months.

So the guns are down to 1250 a gun.New unfired,kn nill target grips,speed chutes,4 mags,.4 more mags in unopened sw package.

The guns on gunbroker are short barrel pistols.Nice,but not the 5 inch guns.I asked on another thread about getting a 9mm barrel.

I talked to the guy who helps the guy make briley 9mm barrels.He called me in fact,and explained how the pc gentlman and him make a 9mm barrel run every year,of a 50 or so barrels.

I can get the 9mm drop in briley stamped barrel for this 3566 at very reasonable price.

So these 2 new guns,with the 2900 rounds of ammo,and the

9mm briley barrel will really make a nice package.

I also got a first run billboard 952,unfired,one of the 200 for bangers,so i would have a 9mm pistol.

But gosh,that is collector gun now,and i hate to shoot it.

I am with 03Fatboy on this.

I believe that it would take two buyers in a bidding war, with each one absolutely having to own the package, to get this up to $10,000

I can see this might get up toward the $6,000 mark if everything was auctioned separately and the ammunition was broken down into small lots.

I think the asking price of $5,500 for the package is already at the top end of Fair Market Value for this package.

If you are a buddy or employee of the gun shop, then I think that $5,500 price is absolutely above the Good Buddy deal price.

If I thought that the ammunition would actually sell at $1.50-$1.75 per round, I would be offering up all the Corbon that I have on hand to the auction sites.

[QUOTE=breeze55;139526353]...So for 2500,a person can buy 2 new unfired 5 inch 3566 pc guns,in the factory box with all paperwork..../QUOTE]

Well, that's a deal for real, in my book. Buy one to keep, sell the other one for the price of both guns. Wish I had the $2.5K to invest in it myself.

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There are at least three GB sales that show it selling for $1.50 per round, colt_saa, but of course those are in small lots. Question is, though, where's somebody gonna find more of it at a lower price now that it's not being made any more? Besides, you need to hold on to yours so you can shoot it up in some of those nice 356TSW's you have.

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These guns are special no doubt. I just don't see it and I have a 3566 Limited. Sorry, and I call it crazy, no way Jack. The caliber is a big undesirable amongst the majority. I think they would top out at $1,500-$2k each. They need an auxiliary 9mm barrel to get the prices to increase. And the ammo cost is a huge negative, at those prices who wants to shoot it or buy it. To send lead downrange, Really, I would rather shoot the more economical 9mm, 45acp, 10mm, 44mag .......357mag all of which are significantly cheaper than 356 TSW. And yes I included the costly magnum and 10mm Ammo. Sorry, the average shooter is not going for it. What's the incentive?

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And I don't mean any disrespect to anyone's opinion.

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fatboy,
that is why i ordered 2 briley 9mm barrels,if i buy the guns,or sell ,i will have them available.

These barrels are the real thing,even briley stamped.I know
these guns with both barrels would really help the price

They would be the same as the famous and hard to find first gen 952 guns.

Putting yourself on the waiting list for two barrels is probably a good idea and I assume they are worth the premium in terms of making them more desirable to a shooter. Not sure it's a given to recoups your cost of these barrels as they are not cheap. I wouldn't have been interested or bought mine if it didn't have one fitted by the PC shop back when. Not sure on the stamping as you mention? They are not the same as the famous 952 either, those are a single stack. The 3566 Limited is a double stack.

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Ammunition cost is a non-issue for most hand loaders.

Yes the cost for the initial batch of brass is higher, however the cost of a hand loaded 9MM Parabellum is only a penny or two different from a hand loaded 356TSW. In this case you even use the same dies to load the two cartridges

Your projectile and primer cost are identical, the 356TSW just uses a tiny bit more powder.

Agree. And I think most loaders understand that. I believe 356TSW is basically trimmed 9mm brass. But not everyone reloads, thus less appeal to shooters who don't reload.

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If the pistols have Nill grips installed... those are very (very!) pricey stocks for sure but it really should also be noted, especially if you are discussing collector guns traded for big money by collectors that the NIB pistol has been modified.

Installing a Nill grip on a 3rd Gen/PC requires drilling and tapping two holes (or is it four?) and for reference, check one of the Target Champion Wischo guns as those were done (likely by Wischo.)

I wouldn't say this is splitting hairs (even if it may sound like it) however also worth noting is that the magazine well was OEM standard with the 5" 3566 Limited.

These are exceptionally handsome pistols. They look like the 5" PPC-9 except with a "regular" Bomar rear sight and the fantastic blackened finish. So sharp.

As to these Briley barrels, I'm quite curious how this works?

Back in the day... guys would own one of the amazing pistols and ship the whole gun back to S&W to have a 9mm barrel fitted.

So, we have some Briley 9mm PC barrels being made available now -- excellent! But is there fitting to be done? At either end of the barrel where it meets the frame of the pistol at the breech (or underside of the top of the slide where it locks?) or at the muzzle end where the fit between the barrel and Briley spherical bushing seems to be the work of a surgeon?

These pistols are nowhere in the hemisphere of production duty guns. These machines are absolutely precise. So I would like to know how it is that we get a barrel today and a 3566 Limited is burning through 9mm tomorrow.

I love my PPC-9 but there's part of me that would actually like a 3566 Limited with a 9x19 barrel better.

seven,the grips are not the big blocky nill grips.There is a thread i started about the 3566 and ammo in this semi auto section seve.

In that thread is the gent who called me and explained the process. Scott and don,who ran the pc section for sw,have the old blue prints,and make 50 to a hundred of the original briley barrels for different models from the beginning of the pc center


These kn nill grips are smaller and have a finger ledge on left side.

I think they are about 250.00 from nill.

The gentleman who makes the barrels has the original blueprints,and the barrels built exactly to the standards of the pc .

Don,i cant remember his last name,who managed the pc semi auto dept. helps him.Scott has guaranteed fit,or ship gun back to him.and he will fit the 9mm.

I still maintain the ammo is 3000 at 1 dollar a round,which cheapens the guns down to 1250 per pistol.

An update to this, the gentleman helping us out with the barrel work is the master gunsmith Mr Claudio Salassa. Of the first 40 or so barrels from last year only one had any cosmetic re-fitting requested, as function and accuracy were reportedly fine from the copious feedback I received. The drop in quality of the new conversion barrels is great considering how the original pistols were all hand fitted. Mr Salassa explained how these pistols were sent to him in batches back in the day for fitting, and each batch had some considerable dimensional variations. This information helped me to better understand just what a feat he has pulled off by creating a functioning drop in barrel for hand fitted pistols. He also told me he will support tweaking as needed. The latest shipment just arrived with all three lengths and the threaded Briley Comp as well. The threaded ones and the Limited's are gone already but I will get more of them soon. Some compacts and SD's are still in stock.

Are those 3566's still for sale?