After much anticipation, I picked up my new 41 today. Bought from Hinterland Outfitters and shipped to my FFL.

I was totally bummed when I checked it out and noticed some decent nicks / blems on the slide, frame and grips. The second mag was loose in the box and it must have been rubbing on the gun during shipping? Is that normal for smith and wesson? Seems insane to see to ship a beautiful gun with a loose metal mag in the box. Ugh...

So I get it home and notice that one of the mags is tight going in and when you hit the eject button it is stuck and you have to pull it out. What gives? Totally disappointed right now.

Hinterland is closed, but I sent them some pictures. Not sure if they will just tell me to take it up with S&W though.

So I need to know from you all, does S&W ship the second mag from the factory loose like this (loose in box, not in wrapper or bag etc..) or is that Hinterlands fault for poor packaging? Thank you!

It should have been shipped in a blue plastic clam shell case with a foam insert to cushion both the gun and the extra magazine.

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So many S&W's, so few funds!!

Came in the blue case with foam, but the mag was loose inside.

If you aren't satisfied with it then see what the dealer or S&W will do about it. To much money for a used look on a new gun. Don't put off getting it taken care of.
Snooze you loose. Been there done that. It will be like a sore thumb that never goes away.

You paid enough for a Brand New Gun NOT some beatup scratched up beast I would send it back and say NO Thanks. I would want it replaced myself. As far as the tight fitting mag goes that is usually thick paint on the sides and to tight a tolerance in the slot when you shove it in position. I have been finding this for a few years now when I buy new ones myself and my 41 is 1958. You will see wear marks on the paint for sure.

Unbelievable. I wouldn't accept anything from Hinterland accept a brand new replacement 41. Good luck....

So, as most of you mentioned, I shouldn't have done the transfer. Lesson learned on my part. it has gone back to S&W for repairs and I am curious to see how it turns out. The bluing was gorgeous, can you blend in repairs on that? We'll see I guess. I am only an hour from S&W so if this turns into a 33 month nightmare, I'll be making routine visits

Some of the comments here make me wonder if their guns weren't replaced with reject guns S&W had laying around. A new gun isn't beat up like an old gun. Sometime things smell a little fishy.

Initial delivery is your one chance to inspect and refuse it. If you take it home, it's your problem. Sounds like most of the guns discussed were likely mishandled by the distributor/dealer.

The Model 41 is actually a pretty solid value.

A custom 1911-22 will set you back $1650-$1800, if you can stand the 6-18 month wait times from a good pistolsmith. And the 41 is competitive with more rarified match pistols, while being less selective about its ammunition diet (yes, really--CCI SV @ $400/case is a lot easier to stomach than $600/case Euro-spec .22LR).

But frankly, the price is inflated because so many people that are...well, not in the target market for a $1000+ match .22LR.

That price inflation is making the 41 a non-competitive option. I saw a Feinwerkbau AW-93 with an Aimpoint R-1 already mounted (fitting an optic to an AW-93 is very expensive) for $2000--it was up on auction a few weeks ago. Now, it's hard to make a direct comparison (an ultralight Euro-gun that demands Euro ammo, vs the brick-muzzled 41)--but given that choice, I'd buy the FWB every time.

But then, I know why the FWB's worth lusting over. If you don't need what it's selling, the 41's a steal--very nearly as accurate, with a lower cost of living.

I just ordered a CZ checkmate, better believe I am spending alot of time checking it out before it leaves the counter and even before I fill out the paper work. I am bringing the x1.5 x7.5 magnifier and a pre-made inspection sheet.

- Bring a flashlight
- Look the gun over
- Bring a magnifying glass if its a high value gun
- Ask your local dealer to assist in looking it over (his interest to keep you returning)
- Go through the action and finish.

*Be advised that unless it is a complete custom or High End, you Are going to find blemishes, tool marks, you will find something...if its at an acceptable level, accept the gun, if not reject it.

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When the Bass Pro first opened up here, their firearms prices were pretty good, but I noticed their guns from all mfr's had minor blems. When I questioned them about it, they admitted they bought blems, & passed the savings on to the customer.
That being said, this is why I ALWAYS say to buy the gun from he local guy, so if you don't like the way it looks, you can say "can you please get another one from the back room". It happens where I work, & it's no big deal to go to the stockroom to get another one.
This is one reason we will not accept transfers from another dealer. If you want a gun we do not carry [only possible if the mfr is out of stock] we will be glad to order it, & if you don't like it, we will return it. But we stopped doing incoming transfers for this exact reason. The problem is between you, & the person you sent the $ to. And you will not touch the gun until the transfer fee is paid. So we do not do that anymore. Buy from your LGS inventory, & do a thorough inspection before leaving the store. Once you walk out the door, it's between you, & the MFR. This is clearly stated on our bill of sale, in triplicate. GARY

Well, I don't know how they do it in Canada, but here, you can refuse to take possession after it's been delivered to your local store, but before you leave with it on your license (if applicable).

It doesn't matter that you've "bought" it already.

I have bought other S^W pistols over the years and as a Canadiian we seem to get 3 rate repair service a lot of the time or have to pay for small parts like the plastic tags in the 22A, $1.50 each to us for even one spare when new. The same model S@W model 627 that can be bought on the US side for around $800.00 on sale will cost me over $1400.00 up here. Yes we do pay much more for our toys.

Canada certainly has an interesting pricing plan for new firearms. I have only bought 3 new firearms in the last 15 years. Used guns are cheaper, revolvers don't have canted barrels (because they were fixed), and used guns aren't expected to be perfect.

The reality is the "factory new quality" is not perfection or even close to looks "really good". Today's buyer better like 'close enough'. Pay your money and take your chances.

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I bought a 41 last year. Older gun in very good shape with extra mag and
set of field grips. He paid FFL to ship. It was in a blue plastic S&W case
but it was older model gun, way before plastic. The FFL did a lousy job
of packing, none. Just closed the lid a shipped. The extra grips were destroyed and there was a nice divit and burr on the slide. The extra mag
had come apart in shipping and had wondered around in the case causing
this damage. When I ship even through FFL I pack myself. The sorce of
the pistol should be responsible for damages due to faulty packing. On a new gun I would have refused it.

If I paid for a new Model 41 and it was not satisfactory to me, I would sure as heck go back for a replacement and not take any nonsense about it. My LGS would comply without hesitation. They are nice guns a as you know, someone needs to make it right. If the seller did not do so, they would have seen the last of me.

Harsh words, but that is reality. I've ordered new guns that came in perfect and I've ordered new guns that I never would have accepted at a local dealer's shop. Ordering on-line saves money in most cases, but it's always something of a gamble.

Canada does not have an interesting pricing policy, the reason we pay so much more for our toys is because it costs us from $1.30 to $1.40 to buy a US dollar and because most of the toys we like come from the US we pay for it.

Graydog