Why no locks on S&W autos

[Jdavis]

Does S&W think that autos are safe without locks and revolvers aren't? It doesn't make sense. I suppose that the revolver locks are S&W's offering to placate the antis and "it's for the children" people.

[Spokes]

Great freaking question!

[Arik]

No lock but they do have the mag safety

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[ladder13]

The Energizer Bunny got nothing on the S&W forum.

[03hemi]

Locks! We don't need no stink'n locks!

[GaryS]

It was a political, not technical decision on the part of then S&W management. The lock adds nothing except another needless layer of potential failure onto the revolvers. I think it was supposed to be something like a safety, but it's obviously not.

OTOH, my Bersa Thunder 380cc semi auto has a lock, however I don't have a key for it and haven't bothered to try to get one.

[ISCS Yoda]

Funny thing, I had a hunch the technology was simply wrong for pistols and not for revolvers. Maybe it is just the fact that the tooling is in place for the revolvers and it costs less to keep it than pull it out and nobody, politically, is pushing S&W for locks in the pistols.

Maybe I'm missing something???

[lhump1961]

The company that makes the locks owns or used to own S&W.

[BAM-BAM]

Don't give them any ideas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[gwpercle]

Originally Posted by BAM-BAM

Don't give them any ideas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They read this and the do gooders will be clamoring for them on semi-auto's too....it's another loophole !

[nocents]

..............interesting....my HK's have locks.............

[JohnHL]

Originally Posted by lhump1961

The company that makes the locks owns or used to own S&W.

Saf-T-Hammer.

John

[Tinhack]

My Shield 9mm and the AR Sport II both came with cable locks. S&W must have paid at least 25 cents for both Chinese locks.

[Buford57]

Originally Posted by BAM-BAM

Don't give them any ideas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Amen. 5 more

[0849]

I have a draw full of new unused in the plastic wrapper gun locks that came with pistols, as I personally prefer to buy my own locks, like the combination style rather than key. There is an abundance of inexpensive locks available, Walmart, ebay, etc, so really does not seem to be an issue, at least for me, the locks that come with pistols I end up giving away or throwing in the storage draw.

Safety is the number one priority for me, I prefer 3rd gens with safety/decockers, magazine safety (I know, I know, let the beatings commence), and I prefer to select the type of lock that works best for me, typically a good combination lock on the trigger when not in current service/edc. The only time I might prefer the cable type lock is when flying, I think it is helpful for TSA or other inspectors to be able to see at a glance when they inspect it in processing the baggage, after you declare the firearm, that the action is open and cable through the action.

[Barrie]

I also prefer the tumbler type of locks myself. Less keys to have to carry and fool around with.

[Fastbolt]

I remember seeing a picture of an odd lock installed on the bottom of the trigger guard on a 59XX series pistol back in the very early 2000's.

While I can no longer find any online reference to it, I did find this patent filing by the company, for what appears to be the same gadget. Firearm trigger lock - Saf-T-Hammer Inc

Figure 2 of this .pdf file shows a smaller/shorter version of the locking device I saw in the modified 59XX. The picture made it appear as though the locking body would protrude below the trigger guard more than is illustrated in the drawing. Firearm trigger lock

I was rather glad they didn't decide to go forward with it. (See, I can do understatement. )

As far as the M&P pistol ILS, we were told (in an '07 armorer class) that it had been offered as an available option because of marketing studies (much like the magazine safety disconnect was available because of expressed LE interest).

Since the ILS and the thumb safety couldn't occupy the same space in the same frame and sear housing block, and the manual safety was unexpectedly becoming a high demand option, the company realistically decided to make the "standard" frame and sear housing block one that could accept a manual safety. We were later told in subsequent class recerts that the company could still make frames and sear housing blocks to incorporate an ILS, but they'd only do it for a special order.

[HCH]

Originally Posted by ISCS Yoda

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Maybe I'm missing something???

Liberals are pushing every day for more restrictions on all guns, locks included, until they can get biometric devices mandated on all guns sold.

[0849]

Originally Posted by nocents

..............interesting....my HK's have locks.............

At the risk of being accused of hijacking the thread, how do you like that P30?

[ladder13]

Originally Posted by lhump1961

The company that makes the locks owns or used to own S&W.

One of the great American success stories. A little start up AZ company buys S&W for the sum of 15 million from the British company Thompkins who paid 112 million some 14 years earlier.
Today the company is worth over 1 billion.

[TNZ71]

Originally Posted by Fastbolt

I remember seeing a picture of an odd lock installed on the bottom of the trigger guard on a 59XX series pistol back in the very early 2000's.

While I can no longer find any online reference to it, I did find this patent filing by the company, for what appears to be the same gadget. Firearm trigger lock - Saf-T-Hammer Inc

Figure 2 of this .pdf file shows a smaller/shorter version of the locking device I saw in the modified 59XX. The picture made it appear as though the locking body would protrude below the trigger guard more than is illustrated in the drawing. Firearm trigger lock

I was rather glad they didn't decide to go forward with it. (See, I can do understatement. )

As far as the M&P pistol ILS, we were told (in an '07 armorer class) that it had been offered as an available option because of marketing studies (much like the magazine safety disconnect was available because of expressed LE interest).

Since the ILS and the thumb safety couldn't occupy the same space in the same frame and sear housing block, and the manual safety was unexpectedly becoming a high demand option, the company realistically decided to make the "standard" frame and sear housing block one that could accept a manual safety. We were later told in subsequent class recerts that the company could still make frames and sear housing blocks to incorporate an ILS, but they'd only do it for a special order.

Got one a couple months ago on a 4566. First time I'd ever seen one.

[Fastbolt]

Nice find.

The one I saw installed had a much longer/taller "locking barrel", which significantly protruded up behind the trigger to prevent movement, and the so low below the trigger guard that I wonder if it would bother a middle finger and hamper grip.

I'm thinking the patent I found online might've been filed after the design had been refined from what I'd originally seen illustrated, as installed on a gun. I thought I saw the pic before 2001, but that was so long ago it all blurs together.

[BigBoy99]

The safety lock was put on the S&W Revolvers so the Hollywood script writers and media people would be correct when they talk about revolvers safeties. They have been talking about the "bad guys" taking the safety off on a revolver for many years, so why not make it true?

[Doug M.]

I suspect that the real reason is that LE refused to accept service pistols with locks and S&W could not take the risk. Our issued 4566s came with trigger locks, which are a clear rule 3 violation and dumb as a box of hammers; every single one I saw when they were issued went into a trash can put next to the bench for just that purpose. The only people for whom any lock on a firearm serves a legitimate purpose are those who should not be trusted with anything as dangerous as a spork.

[patrickd]

None of the feel good go along to get along policies these days make any sense. These policies are put in place in an effort to ward off attacks by the liberals who in most part know little to nothing about weapons.
The old saying still rings true today.
"Liberalism is all based upon feelings. It takes intellect to be a conservative."