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I told about the gap back in post#26 !!!
In post #34,I showed the 40S&W baseplate which wouldn't stick out in front.
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oldman10mm,

I see what you were saying back there.
I'm kinda like a mule, ya gotta thump me between the ears to git my attention.

I couldn't find anything but the 10mms so I thought I'd take a shot.
I've missed before.

If I run across a 1086 again, I've got spares.
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That curve on the mag base never fit my hand either.
I took mine to a belt sander and now it feels fine.
I also took some off of the bottom to make them flat.
I have one done this way in the Classified section now.
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Oldman10mm here is another magazine variation for your collection.

8-round factory 45 mag with CS45 like indentations on both sides. My Melonite 4566 came with three of them. And none of them worked worth a damn. Im going to try them in a CS45 next weekend. Regards 18DAI
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That is like the middle one of pic#2 in post #22. The one in that pic has a yellow follower,but the rest of the mag is same as yours' pictured.
I believe/assuming/guessing that the yellow follower was a quick design change to replace the red followers for the indented mags with a design change to subsequent black followers. Could be the injection molding process is less expensive for the black design compared to the yellow design.
Your mag pic shows a pretty deep indentation,wonder if it's too deep and the follower 'hangs' up on it.
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Did some 'photoshoping'.
Took your pic and my pic of a black follower and sized my pic to match yours-top pic of the composite pic. Took my pic and put it over your and made it 50% transparent to see yours thru it-lower left pic. Pic of CS45 mag-lower center. Pic of 8rd mag-lower right
Disregarding colors of followers and just concentrating on the indentations. From the overlay,the black followers rear corner cutout does not match where it should be if it was supposed to line-up with the indentation. But that's kind of irrelevant as the indentation should line up with cartridges in the mag and it appears that indentation is too far forward to line up with a cartridges rim(where the ejector would grab it).
The indentation on your mag matches the indentation location of a CS45 mag. The indentation on your mag does NOT match the indentation of a 8rd mag.
Are there going to be indentation location variables also throw in the equation. Different mag capacities,different followers,different indentation locations. Could be interesting AND puzzling. And that doesn't include mag spring lengths and strength yet.
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The CS45 indentations are more like dimples than punched indentations. Also, they're placed a bit differently than were done in older .45 mags, or in the current .40 mags.

The current black followers are said (in armorer classes) as being able to be used in all previous .45 mags which had plastic buttplates.

So, let's take a look at the current black followers alongside, and inside, a CS45 mag ...

In these 2 pics, you'll note that there's actually a pair of recessed areas at the rear of the follower.

This first one shows a pin punch pointing to the front edge of the largest and most narrow "angled recess", corresponding to the front of the "cutout" on the side.


In this one, the punch is pointing to the same spot, from a different perspective, so you can see it as the recess which "narrows" the rear of the follower. You'll also note another, much narrower, slightly more forward recess.

In this pic (apologies for the lighting), the follower is sitting on the outside of the mag, and despite how it looks bigger (or offset), it's actually aligned as if it were inside the mag (I did it repeatedly, to confirm positioning for myself). Note how the secondary, diagonal indentation not only just clears the rear edge of the large recessed cut, but completely clears the smaller, more forward molded recess of the follower.

Now, for the bring-it-all-together pics ...

I've positioned the follower (supported by a mag spring, to properly align and "hold" the follower) below the mag lips, so you can see the visible diagonal indentation. It's visible as a "black" line, apparently due to the light reflection off the opposite mag wall and follower (and the lighting I was trying to direct inside, holding a mini flashlight in my mouth, and angling the tube light of my magnifying lamp). See it just at the front of the large "cut" recess.

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Continued with more pics:

To help, here's the same pic of the follower that's just reached the secondary indentation, bracketed with 2 small yellow dots (also bracketing the corner where the follower widens out).


Now, here's a pic to illustrate the front edge of the more forward located, thinner molded recess. See how it completely allows clearance for the angled secondary indentation?



Pic with yellow dot added to roughly show the front edge of the thinner molded recess.


See how much clearance the engineers designed in the current follower revision, even for the CS45 mag body? Clever engineers.


Bottom line, the last revision of the black follower (unless they've come out with yet another one since I last ordered parts, of course) seems to allow sufficient clearance for even the CS45 mags, with their secondary, angled indentations.

Just some thoughts ...

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Pulled 5 black followers.
6rd 4513TSW,8rd M945,7rd,7rd M945,6rd CS45.
Only the CS45 had the reduced thickness area(clearance) from the above post.

Referring back to 18DAIs' post #54,his pic of an 8rd mag that has the indentations of a CS45,be curious to see/know what variety follower is in it. If it doesn't have the extra clearance,might explain why they didn't work.
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On the inside surface of the followers,the CS45 'clearanced' follower had the same number 2P as the others. You would think a different follower design would have a different number.
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Fastbolt.

Thanks for the excellent explanation and even better pictures. I understood about the CS45 indentation but had not taken a magazine apart to see how the follower was configured.

Thanks again for all the info you have provided here and in "other" places.

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Pulled 5 black followers.
6rd 4513TSW,8rd M945,7rd,7rd M945,6rd CS45.
Only the CS45 had the reduced thickness area(clearance) from the above post.....
All of the black followers in the new production 4566/4513TSW's we received (starting back about '06) were the revised ones with the "second" molded recess. Ditto all of the "spare/repair" followers I've ordered as parts since that time. I don't remember when the second molded recessed spots (on each side) were added as a revision.

It makes sense that it was eventually added because of the CS45's unique mag body, so it could become the "standard" 3rd gen .45 follower, and could be retrofitted back across the earlier .45 mags that had plastic buttplates and followers.

I might have some older "original" 4513TSW or CS45 mags that may still have the original followers (circa approx '98-'99?), but I did so much shooting with those .45's back then that I periodically replaced followers as they got a bit chewed. I sort of doubt any of those early mags still have the original followers. The front could get increasingly chewed up by the edge of the last round's case mouth (under recoil), and the little nub on top would eventually get worn down, too.
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On the inside surface of the followers,the CS45 'clearanced' follower had the same number 2P as the others. You would think a different follower design would have a different number.
Mold numbers are often just mold numbers. Mold numbers may change as molds are changed, or they may keep the same mold number for a new mold, even if it's for a different mold making a revised part.

Even revision numbers (on parts lists) may not mean a particular part has had a design change. I've been told that sometimes a revision number added to the end of a part number might only mean a new vendor is being used for the part (same specs for the part), or, there may have been a change in material, or color of plastic used (but other specs remain unchanged).
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Fastbolt.

Thanks for the excellent explanation and even better picture. I understood about the CS45 indentation but had not taken a magazine apart to see how the follower was configured.

Thanks again for all the info you have provided here and in "other" places.

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Did the 45 mag spring 'project' that I brought up in my post #37.



Top row are 6rd mags,center row are 7rd mags,bottom row are 8rd mags. 14 assemblies.
Measured wire size,all appear to be .040". Noted number of coils,only 2 varieties,11 1/2 coils and 13 1/2 coils. Noted free length. Measured spring force,used a fish weight scale from Cabelas,force was measured with the spring in its' empty tube without the follower.
The longer springs(13 1/2 coils) were only in the 6rd mags(CS45 & 4513TSW) and the M945PC(7rd mag & 8rd mag). All other mags had the 11 1/2 coil shorter spring.
Magazine spring buttplate catch were the plastic un-retained for all the 13 1/2 coil springs,metal clipped on spring for all the 11 1/2 coil springs.
Nothing unusual was found in the spring forces,all the 13 1/2 coil springs had similar force even though mag length was different(6,7,8rd),all the 11 1/2 coil springs had similar force even though being used for both 7 and 8rd mags.
Mags were picked up at gun shows so unknown how used/unused they are.
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Did the 45 mag spring 'project' that I brought up in my post #37.



Top row are 6rd mags,center row are 7rd mags,bottom row are 8rd mags. 14 assemblies.
Measured wire size,all appear to be .040". Noted number of coils,only 2 varieties,11 1/2 coils and 13 1/2 coils. Noted free length. Measured spring force,used a fish weight scale from Cabelas,force was measured with the spring in its' empty tube without the follower.
The longer springs(13 1/2 coils) were only in the 6rd mags(CS45 & 4513TSW) and the M945PC(7rd mag & 8rd mag). All other mags had the 11 1/2 coil shorter spring.
Magazine spring buttplate catch were the plastic un-retained for all the 13 1/2 coil springs,metal clipped on spring for all the 11 1/2 coil springs.
Nothing unusual was found in the spring forces,all the 13 1/2 coil springs had similar force even though mag length was different(6,7,8rd),all the 11 1/2 coil springs had similar force even though being used for both 7 and 8rd mags.
Mags were picked up at gun shows so unknown how used/unused they are.
For FWIW (trivia's sake), the standard 3rd gen .45 spring has been listed as the same part number (26260), and used in the 6, 7 & 8rd mag bodies, since I remember keeping track of them after ordering the then-new CS45S (stainless slide) and original 4513TSW (6rd mags).

I wasn't keeping track of them in the days of the original 4516 and its subsequent couple of revisions, but just remember being told (in armorer classes) that we could tell our folks using those older .45's that they could use the current revision mag springs and newest black followers in any of the earlier mags which originally had plastic buttplates.

I just checked some .45 mag springs I've ordered at various times over the last 15+ years (I periodically replenish my own supply, even if I have a few left unused from previous orders), and all of the 26260 springs are the standard 14 coil (measure length from either front or back) springs, with the top coil having the small closed loop at the front (even if someone in the factory parts dept sometimes assembled the .45 mags incorrectly, putting the closed loop at the bottom, oriented to the rear of the mag ).

Another interesting (maybe) tidbit is that when I went through the Colt 1911 armorer class some years ago, the instructor explained that even if the spring force remained the same, that a single stack magazine spring would be more reliable, for longer, when it was designed using a greater number of coils, than one with fewer coils. The engineering and metallurgical reasoning went over my head. (Not hard to do. )

I can understand having some representation of historical versions of 3rd gen mag springs, just for a fun hobby, but if I were actually going to use any of them, I'd order the current springs and followers to "upgrade" them as much as possible.

Obviously, some of the mags which have the bodies which lack the later design changes and revisions would only be updated to the extent possible by the simple replacement of springs & followers, as the bodies would still remain the same.

I once ordered some mag springs for my 3rd gen .45's from a major aftermarket maker. They were made using what seemed to be a different gauge of wire, and had fewer coils, but were made to have more "power". When I was doing a lot of shooting with them, back then, they didn't seem to run as long as the longer factory springs, so I returned to only using factory springs in my 3rd gen .45's.

Oh yeah, I was also told that the difference between getting the steel or plastic mag buttplate catch parts depended on which of the vendors the factory might've ordered the parts from at different times, and whichever were currently in-stock. I've received both plastic and steel catches for the 9 & .45 mags, at different times, and have both as spare/repair parts.

I tend to like the plastic, as they don't rust, and you don't have to sometimes tweak the bent-over flange at the rear of them to fit over the end of the wire spring.

On the other hand, the steel ones (when they don't slip off the spring) can remain attached to the spring, and make it easier for people to make sure they're reinstalled in the correct orientation after cleaning mags. (How that person working in the factory parts dept was able to assemble so many new .45 mags threading the metal plates onto the small closed loop - meaning the wrong end of the spring - remains a mystery to me.)
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Fastbolt,
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Thanks for continuing to pass along your knowledge and experience.
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Now that my 45 mag project is done,my 45 mags can be supplied/sold to those seeking 45 mags. I have no use for them anymore as I don't shoot 45,it was just an information learning adventure. Been selling mags over the past couple years by responding to threads of those seeking mags.
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I just bought a CS-45 mag from Midway on sale. My 945-1
mag is identical with regard to the slotted stamping. I added the 2nd mag catch above the one for the CS-45 and it works perfectly!
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For those CS45 users with large hands, who have problems getting a comfortable grip using the finger rest mags, there is another solution.

I purchased two CS45 mags from RedCardinal. (Thanks again RedCardinal!!) They both had the finger rest baseplates on them. RedCardinal sanded off the finger rest. Its slightly rounded too. He did a very nice and professional job of it too. I think Iggy has one of these too. Id be interested in his take on them.

Anyways, this basepad works better than substituting a 4513TSW rounded baseplate, for me. Gives me about another 1/32nd of an inch to hang my little finger on. It is a much better and controllable grip, for me, than any other solution I have tried to date.

Thought I'd pass it along for those trying to live with a CS45. If you can adapt to the CS45 and find a fix to the grip and fit issues, it is a very fine 45 carry gun. Regards 18DAI
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For me the grinding off of the curved ridge changed the whole feel of the gun. Being able to hold the gun with my little finger not being crowded by the curved base plate or hanging down under the magazine gives a much firmer and comfortable grip and better control of the gun.

I put epoxy in the little cavities and then ground them down until they felt good. I did not grind mine down as far as RC did. He ground his down until the front was at the same angle as the front of the frame.

I left a little bit of the ridge in place. It gives the little finger a place to hang onto.

RC did not do the epoxy trick. I am going to put tape on the front of the base plate and fill in the hole as I prefer not having that hole in front.

By putting Vaseline or something for a releasing agent on that part of the tape that covers the hole, it should be easy to remove when the epoxy is set.

A little bit of file work and it should be good to go.

BTW Midway as the curved CS45 mag base plates in stock for under $4.00 if you decide you don't like the results.
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Thanks for the info Iggy! Much appreciated! Regards 18DAI
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Nice mod to the magazine ridge Red Cardinal & Iggy, think I'll have to try this myself for both my 457 and CS45 mags.

Just an FYI, I recently tried purchasing some CS45 mags from Midway but they were all factory defects without the proper guide stamp on both sides. I returned them for more but every mag they sent me was defective. Looks like S&W dumped these bad mags on their retailers, be sure to check yours out before the exchange limit expires.
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Just an FYI, I recently tried purchasing some CS45 mags from Midway but they were all factory defects without the proper guide stamp on both sides.
Are you saying that they were standard 4553TSW mags that have been pictured elsewhere in this thread?

I am the guy who foolishly listened to those who said, "CS45 mags will work in a 4553TSW" and bought one to try.
Obviously those who said that had never REALLY tried it. Sure they will fit in but they WILL NOT function!

I actually bought two NOS 4553TSW mags at Larry's old store in north Huntsville, AL last week for $50 OTD. I was pleased to find them.

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Are you saying that they were standard 4553TSW mags that have been pictured elsewhere in this thread?

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No, these all were CS45 mags that had the correct guide indentation on one side, but not on the other. It looked like S&W ran a batch of mags like this, then attempted to add the indentation afterwards on many of them and wound up cracking the mag body. One of the mags I received didn't even have the indentation attempted (see pics below), and since there have been reports of these defective mags not feeding well, I didn't waste my time and ammo with them.
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I added the 2nd mag catch above the one for the CS-45 and it works perfectly!
Could you please post a picture of your mod? I'm intrigued.
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Maybe I'm missing something, but mag repairs
are a heck of a lot easier than setting twin carbs up.
Technically any moderately able-bodied schmuck
should be able to adjust the mag lips on any steel mag,
and make minor modifcations on them as needed...

Really shouldn't take an engineering degree, should it??

Here's a helpful pic...
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Are you saying that they were standard 4553TSW mags that have been pictured elsewhere in this thread?

I am the guy who foolishly listened to those who said, "CS45 mags will work in a 4553TSW" and bought one to try.
Obviously those who said that had never REALLY tried it. Sure they will fit in but they WILL NOT function!

I actually bought two NOS 4553TSW mags at Larry's old store in north Huntsville, AL last week for $50 OTD. I was pleased to find them.

James
I guess I better go through my mag collection and weed out any CS45 mags I thought would work in my 4553TSW.
Sorry for my incorrect statement earlier....
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I had one of the Buds Guns 4553TSWs. The ones a bunch of us purchased for less than $300 several years back.

I didnt know it at the time, because FastBolt had not yet written his excellent tutorial on the difference between 4513TSW/4553TSW and CS45 mags, but one of the mags that came with it from Buds was a CS45 mag. And it functioned in the 4553TSW.

When FastBolt taught us the difference, I stuck it in my spare mags bin.

To be clear, we are talking about the original production 4553TSW, the one with the 6 round mag and cut out grip, right? And the CS45 mag that wont function in the 4553TSW, is it one of the CS45 mags from Midway? If so, that would explain why it wont work in the 4553TSW. The mag is no good.

TercGen is correct about the Midway CS45 mags. They are mis stamped on one side. I posted a warning here about them a few weeks back. Guess nobody saw it. I didnt notice until it was too late to return them. So I stripped mine for parts and threw out the mag bodies.
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And the CS45 mag that wont function in the 4553TSW, is it one of the CS45 mags from Midway? If so, that would explain why it wont work in the 4553TSW. The mag is no good.

TercGen is correct about the Midway CS45 mags. They are mis stamped on one side. I posted a warning here about them a few weeks back. Guess nobody saw it. I didnt notice until it was too late to return them. So I stripped mine for parts and threw out the mag bodies.
I saw your warning and the reports of others like RedCardinal's earlier post in this thread, so I was at least aware of the possibility of the issue when purchasing these mags. I was hoping that places like Midway would have recognized the issue and returned the defective mags by now, but it would seem their policy is to silently keep selling them to the public. I even pointed out the problem when I made the first return and politely asked them to double check the new mags before sending, they just sent more bad ones to me.

I like Midway for many of my gun needs, but they've burned me with old night sights and now CS45 mags, both of which I won't buy from them in the future.
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Just to update this thread ...

I recently decided to take my CS45 (with one of my M&P 340's) to my range session to renew my LEOSA form. I'd planned on also shooting my original 4513TSW (6-rd mags), but got busy and didn't take it.

I did, however, end up having half a dozen of the loaded 6rd 4513TSW mags, which I'd already stuffed into my range bag.

So ... I decided to go ahead and use them to finish off the afternoon session using my CS45.

I've previously posted that I experienced some feeding stoppages using the 6rd 4513 .45 mags (without the second indentation) in my CS45 some years ago (when the stainless model had just been released). I didn't have the same experience while doing so for this last, current range session.

As best I can recall, those problems occurring many years ago were also in the time period when I was still shooting +P loads in my small .45's, and I remember trying some different +P's for a while in my CS45 and 4513TSW back then.

For this recent range session I was only shooting some 230gr RA45T (standard pressure SXT/T-Series) and 230gr Remington Golden Sabre. No +P's. While I only fired less than 50-60 rounds through the 4513's 6rd mags in my CS45, I didn't have any feeding issues using those mags.

I'm not curious enough to dig out some +P's to try in the CS45 again, although I still have some 200gr Speer +P and RA45TP (+P) in my ammo stock. I'll continue to carry the dedicated 6rd mags made for the CS45, and the other 6rd mags made for the 4513TSW in that gun (as well as using some 7rd mags made for the newer 4513 & 457 as spares for the older 4513).

I suspect the increased recoil force and slide velocity caused by the +P's, in the CS45, might be pushing things a bit when it comes to feeding "timing" in the 6rd mags made without the secondary indentations (and S&W engineers did seem to think they were important enough to add to the CS45 mags ).

Like a couple other guys, I ordered a couple of the CS45 mags from Midway and saw that the side not visible in the factory packaging exhibited some weirdly done indentations, not evenly applied compared to the opposite side of the mag body. Having had some early issues with unevenly stamped indentations many years ago, in a few of the early mags that were reportedly hand-stamped, I didn't even feel like bothering to test them out. They immediately got returned. (Easy folks to deal with at Midway, in my case.)

I think I counted either 12 or 13 CS45 mags scattered among my various drawers, boxes and cabinets, so I'm probably good for as long as I own the CS45. I bought a lot of them in earlier years when I was trying to wear out the CS45.

I did, however, pick up 2 or 3 new 3913 & CS9 mags from them. I don't quite have a dozen each of those mags, and I own both a 3913, a CS9 & a new production 3913TSW, so having more mags is probably handy.
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I had one of the Buds Guns 4553TSWs. The ones a bunch of us purchased for less than $300 several years back.

I didnt know it at the time, because FastBolt had not yet written his excellent tutorial on the difference between 4513TSW/4553TSW and CS45 mags, but one of the mags that came with it from Buds was a CS45 mag. And it functioned in the 4553TSW.

When FastBolt taught us the difference, I stuck it in my spare mags bin.

To be clear, we are talking about the original production 4553TSW, the one with the 6 round mag and cut out grip, right? And the CS45 mag that wont function in the 4553TSW, is it one of the CS45 mags from Midway? If so, that would explain why it wont work in the 4553TSW. The mag is no good.

TercGen is correct about the Midway CS45 mags. They are mis stamped on one side. I posted a warning here about them a few weeks back. Guess nobody saw it. I didnt notice until it was too late to return them. So I stripped mine for parts and threw out the mag bodies.
If it previously functioned perfectly,
with no issues, should have kept using it...

As long as it is not one of the bunch that had
mis-aligned stampings, should be fine.

It is, however, far easier to use other 45XX mags
in a CS45 than the reverse
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To be clear, we are talking about the original production 4553TSW, the one with the 6 round mag and cut out grip, right? And the CS45 mag that wont function in the 4553TSW, is it one of the CS45 mags from Midway? If so, that would explain why it wont work in the 4553TSW. The mag is no good.





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Technically any moderately able-bodied schmuck
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and make minor modifcations on them as needed...

Really shouldn't take an engineering degree, should it??


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Looks like you need a new mag spring in that CS45 mag.
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Looks like you need a new mag spring in that CS45 mag.
No really anything wrong with the mag spring. It was a brand new factory fresh mag. It has less than twenty rounds through it.
There's nothing wrong with the mag spring or the feed lips.
I foolishly thought people who confidentiality said, "CS45 mags function in 4553TSWs" actually had tried it and we're not just parroting someone else who was parroting someone else, ad naseaum.

It was not designed for use in my gun.
It won't work in my gun.
No bending of the fed lips or putting in (another) new spring is going to make it work.
I'm confident it would work flawlessly in the guns it was designed for.

I'm also confident I could get it to work in my gun.
However, my time is worth more than a $20 mag.

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No really anything wrong with the mag spring. It was a brand new factory fresh mag. It has less than twenty rounds through it.
There's nothing wrong with the mag spring or the feed lips.
I foolishly thought people who confidentiality said, "CS45 mags function in 4553TSWs" actually had tried it and we're not just parroting someone else who was parroting someone else, ad naseaum.

It was not designed for use in my gun.
It won't work in my gun.
No bending of the fed lips or putting in (another) new spring is going to make it work.
I'm confident it would work flawlessly in the guns it was designed for.

I'm also confident I could get it to work in my gun.
However, my time is worth more than a $20 mag.

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It is, however, far easier to use other 45XX mags
in a CS45 than the reverse
Right, you need a CS45 for it, which gives you
an excuse to go get one

The round should have popped right up
to the top of the mag lips...unless you had it
hold the round there on the indents for
illustration purposes of how the indents work??
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an excuse to go get one.
Certainly reasoning and logic after my own heart and of such as I have used over the years.

Another option is to just strip the guts out of the mag and sell its body and the extra round butt plates I have on eBay.

As I'm in the selling mode rather than the buying mode (sold 70+ and only bought about 10 in the last three years) I'll probably go with the eBay option.

I do like the 4553TSW I bought late last year from a fellow forum member.

My current favorite sub-compact is the Kimber Micro 9 Raptor I bought a few months back. But that's a different story for a different forum.

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Another option is to just strip the guts out of the mag and sell its body and the extra round butt plates I have on eBay.
Why not just sell the CS45 magazine here? It looks like a good one... i.e., not one of the MidwayUSA deformed ones.

Hell, I could probably find some bottles & cans to turn in and scrape together $20 cash by tonight!
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Ask and you will receive.
Check Classifieds.

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I checked classified before I looked at this crazy long post, again, and again.
Glad I did. P.M. (s,) sent.
Thank you for thinking of "us" and offering them here. I really do appreciate that.
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