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Old 06-28-2017, 12:47 AM
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Those marks on the barrel are puzzling. I'm headed up to the academy in July. If I remember, I'll inquire about the marks with the gunsmiths.
I'd be interested in hearing their opinion, too.

I could see a production run/batch of barrels slipping through with some "chatter marks" caused during production, or something about a run of slides where the integral bushing ended up having machining imperfections that caused the resulting wear marks.

I've seen my share of barrels where the production left some odd markings on the barrel exteriors. Things that were spots of shallow surface imperfections on the exterior, caused during machining, which were more cosmetic issues than anything of a functional problem.
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The new 4006 tactical I just got looks like its in the 2nd batch they got has A after serial number nice clean shape a little seat belt rash on right grip . I put a new set on it and my barrel does not have any marks like the photos . maybe this is a loaner gun to guys who had theirs checked .
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I added the machined recess that exists just forward of the barrel feed ramp to the list of unique CHP features in the original post.

Any ideas why this feature would be specified?

I also added a few more pics.
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I looked at my guns barrel and it does not have those marks ,just a little even wear around the end .
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I picked up 4 new in the Smith wrappers 4006 mags with the blue followers ,there were no bids until the last hour or two . It went a little higher than I thought but now people are asking top dollar for older Smith mags , I have a bunch but wanted new ones . alot of the 4006 mags seem to have weak spring in them they still work but that scares me .
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I added the machined recess that exists just forward of the barrel feed ramp to the list of unique CHP features in the original post.

Any ideas why this feature would be specified?

I also added a few more pics.
Added to my notes to ask the gunsmiths when I go up at the end of the month.

I turned in my 4006TSW in Feb. and I was contacted by the distributor last week. They informed me that my duty gun was shipping to the FFL for purchase. Soon to be back in my hands.


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Old 07-06-2017, 10:38 PM
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Added to my notes to ask the gunsmiths when I go up at the end of the month.
Here are the barrel grooves on the other two 4006TSW pistols I received:

CHP4403


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I did not see any more coming from Summit , they must be sold out for now until a new run comes through . I wanted this one since they went with it back in 06 or 08 you would never see one for sale . All the info on the sight is great .
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That's a fantastic post. One small nitpick and one question.

First, it sure isn't the trigger return spring that is missing, it is the trigger play spring. It's more than obvious that you know that, this was just a typo.

My question: is the CHP the largest single LE Org in the Nation? I always thought that was the NYPD but I have absolutely no idea. It would seem to make sense that even though NYC is the largest city in the world, it certainly isn't larger than the State of California.

Oh, one more comment. With ZERO intention of sounding like I have never cared for the TSW pistols... it simply doesn't seem like spending MILLIONS to upgrade from a 4006 to a 4006TSW just isn't much of an upgrade. I would think when you throw that massive amount of money at something, you'd be making a large-scale change. Such as moving from a DA/SA metal gun to current technology polymer striker fire. This move I understand. But millions to move to the TSW from the 4006? That's sounds nutty to me.

Of course it isn't real money, it's taxpayer funded, so maybe I have answered my own question... (sigh)

But yeah, fantastic post!


Not to get technical the largest the agency with the most LEO is CDCR 24000


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Old 07-10-2017, 12:33 AM
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FBI — Table 76

The data is from 2015, but it is the latest table I could find.

I'm not a police officer, so I do not know the distinction between a corrections officer and a police officer; but the FBI table for state law enforcement did not include the CDCR.

I updated the original post with largest "state" police agency.

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Old 07-10-2017, 08:32 PM
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I received my CHiPs 4006TSW. My serial number is in the 8300 group. I cleaned it up, replaced the recoil spring, grip, and all magazine springs. The gun is phenomenal! I have a 1 1/2 inch group at 15 yards. The DA is smooth and the reset on SA equals my Sig P226 Legon. It's heavy, but controls recoil with little effort. I plan on running in in USPSA.
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Pretty sad that the people of California are not even "allowed" to purchase one of these so they can stay in their rightful home state.


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I'll have to add my serial numbers for the database when I get a chance.

Just got two replacement grips from Midway. Going to try to get them on this weekend.
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Old 07-13-2017, 10:22 AM
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I'll have to add my serial numbers for the database when I get a chance.

Just got two replacement grips from Midway. Going to try to get them on this weekend.
Dis u get factory grips from Midway ??
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Yes. Brownells also just filled my back order for several of them as well.
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Here are the barrel grooves on the other two 4006TSW pistols I received:

CHP4403


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The barrel grooves - they came from S&W that way. Not all the barrel have the marks. Ugly - yes, but don't alter the function.

It is believed that these marks came from some part in the barrel making process.
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Thanks for taking the time to talk to the CHP gunsmiths about this irregularity. I updated the original post with the information.
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Sure, we discussed it for about 10-15 minutes. I didn't have time to discuss the barrel recess. But I will get you an answer the next time I go up.
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Is there anyway you could shine a little light on what the typical duty ammo was for these guns?

I'd like to stoke mine with what they were normally carried with.
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Is there anyway you could shine a little light on what the typical duty ammo was for these guns?

I'd like to stoke mine with what they were normally carried with.

Sure, we have changed vendors a few times, but as I remember it in this order-
Speer Gold dots 180gr.
Winchester Ranger 180gr.
Federal HST 180gr. - current
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Thank you so much. I know there was a lot of speculation in another thread, so it is nice to get it from someone that actually knows.

Stay safe brother.
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Thank you so much. I know there was a lot of speculation in another thread, so it is nice to get it from someone that actually knows.

Stay safe brother.
Glad I could help, anytime brother. You stay safe as well.
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I picked up one today, and am very happy with it. Mine has the same marks on the exterior of the barrel as in the photos skjos posted. It has the tightest frame to slide fit of any of my S&W 3rd gen pistols, including my 5906TSW and 4566TSW. The pistol was relatively clean when it arrived (it appears to have been fired very little). I disassembled and lubricated it, then took it out to the range to testfire. The last round out of the first two magazines I fired failed to chamber (180 grain Federal aluminum case ammo that has worked flawlessly in my California State Parks 4006), but the problem did not recur after that. I fired 48 rounds of the aluminum ammo (the two rounds that didn't feed had the bullets pushed back into the case, so I discarded them), and 20 rounds of Federal 165 grain HST. It is a very accurate pistol, and I look forward to shooting it more. Does anyone know the significance of the marks on the magazine follower made with a red marker?







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ok, to start, i am one of the CHP gunsmiths.im not on this site a lot, but will try to answer some of your questions.
1. we had to start with ser.# chp1018 because the first 1000 serial #s had already been use and ended at chp 908a
2.the marks on the barrel crown are machining marks made at factory during the CNC process( worn bit, metal flakes during cutting.)
3.some mag.s are new as we will not be needing them
4.the first 4006 had a safety, the TSW is a spring loaded decocker. the spring and detent that's under the rear sight is a safetyincase the coil spring breaks.
5.we replaced the old 4006 because we were running out to issue cadets. waited to long to do a test.
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This is awesome and a great help at establishing the total number of 4006TSW CHP units manufactured. Based on this information 9,891 units were manufactured, CHP1018 - CHP753A (9,736) in the first order and CHP754A-CHP908A (155) in subsequent order(s).

Any insight on the machined barrel recess just forward of the barrel feed ramp?

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This is awesome and a great help at establishing the total number of 4006TSW CHP units manufactured. Based on this information 9,891 units were manufactured, CHP1018 - CHP753A (9,736) in the first order and CHP754A-CHP908A (155) in subsequent order(s).

Any insight on the machined barrel recess just forward of the barrel feed ramp?
no, that's just the way smith design it, its also a little different on the side where the barrel sits in the frame than the old 4006
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I saw 3 of the CHP 4006TSW mags the other day.
All appeared to be new with the red magic marker on the front body bump and follower.

What intrigued me were the little formed bumps on the upper left side of the mag bodies just above the witness hole.
All three mags had some file strokes on the bump, as if they were "fitted"(?)
None of the other .40 mags I've seen, new or used, displayed this anomaly.

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I saw 3 of the CHP 4006TSW mags the other day.
All appeared to be new with the red magic marker on the front body bump and follower.

What intrigued me were the little formed bumps on the upper left side of the mag bodies just above the witness hole.
All three mags had some file strokes on the bump, as if they were "fitted"(?)
None of the other .40 mags I've seen, new or used, displayed this anomaly.

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they made the mag well tighter than the original 4006. so we had to file the bumps and sometimes the frames,so the mag could drop freely. also, sometimes it causes a failure to "skip double action "
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they made the mag well tighter than the original 4006. so we had to file the bumps and sometimes the frames,so the mag could drop freely. also, sometimes it causes a failure to "skip double action "
Wow, Adrian!

I'm so glad you joined this forum!
That is the kind of inside info that none of us on the outside would have known.
I had noticed on some of the other .40 mags I've seen that the bump was not so prominent.
That would have bugged me for years.

Thanks!

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Wow, Adrian!

I'm so glad you joined this forum!
That is the kind of inside info that none of us on the outside would have known.
I had noticed on some of the other .40 mags I've seen that the bump was not so prominent.
That would have bugged me for years.

Thanks!

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Adrian!

Glad you could stop in. Ray Piedra So. Div. Range master, see you at the end of the month. I'll pop in to gun shop and say hi. Plus I have to show you something pretty sweet.

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My pleasure, glad I can answer these questions
Welcome aboard, or back, as the case may be. (Noticed your join date in 2010)

Nice to have a gunsmith participating, so the answers too complicated for folks of only armorer training can be fielded with knowledge and experience.

I'm not kidding, either.
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I saw 3 of the CHP 4006TSW mags the other day.
All appeared to be new with the red magic marker on the front body bump and follower.

What intrigued me were the little formed bumps on the upper left side of the mag bodies just above the witness hole.
All three mags had some file strokes on the bump, as if they were "fitted"(?)
None of the other .40 mags I've seen, new or used, displayed this anomaly.

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Back in the early 3rd gen armorer training, we were told to diagnose any high spots on mag bodies that might make them "sticky" and not easily drop free. Then, we were shown how we could either use a plastic mallet to "adjust" them (mostly for front wall high spots, but you can still imagine the potential for mistakes if someone got exuberant with even a plastic mallet), or, more practically, use a file to knock them down. Since they were only issue mags, the cosmetic appearance of a file stroke or two wasn't a concern.
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Does anyone know what duty ammo the CHP used?
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SKJOS, how do I apply to purchase one of these weapons? I am a retired GA city police officer.
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SKJOS, how do I apply to purchase one of these weapons? I am a retired GA city police officer.
I do believe that you send the adoption fee (sale price) to one of the places that offers them. I used Summit Gun Broker. No complaints about those folks, There is also copper custom if you like.

I received 2... one with a SN in the 2000 range that has a good amount of holster, seat belt, and duty wear and on in the 9700 range that has less. The 2000 SN range functioned flawlessly and is smooth. I haven't shot the other yet.

From the pictures I have seen the ones with the lower SN seem to have more wear... and this makes since since I am sure they where issues more on less according to SN.

I really like this one! I am thinking about getting another. Don't know why but I really like them.
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I asked the question in another thread and there was much conjecture.

It was answered in this thread by a gentleman that actually carried one on duty.
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Asked and answered about half of the way up.

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It was answered in this thread by a gentleman that actually carried one on duty.

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Asked and answered about half of the way up.

I asked the question in another thread and there was much conjecture.

It was answered in this thread by a gentleman that actually carried one on duty.

Posts # 69 and #70
Thanks... Way to obvious. Best place to hide something it right out in the open... where I don't look
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I totally understand your question though.

I thought "I want to carry that thing with what they carried in it".

I mean, whatever they stoked it with they did because it was a proven gun/ammo combination.

Plus...................I'm a detail/trivia nerd like that.
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My CHP gun likes the 180 gr . I was at a show Sat and got Fed HST 180 in 50 round boxes for 20 to 25 bucks . got some 9 also . I did see some Rem L/E black belt ammo in 9mm I never saw it before . I stuck with the HST
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Years ago when I lived in Southern California I use to shoot at a local range where the owner leased out ranges to the CHP for training. They never policed their .40 S&W brass and it was left for whoever wanted to pick it up. For a reloader who wouldn't want once fired nickle plated Remington brass?

I picked up a bunch the brass and later found after eyeballing it that quite a bit of it was bulged, and it was bulged quite high up on the case. When re-sizing a few of those cases they were bulged so much that the die would push the bulge down to the bottom of the case head. I took that bunch of cases to a metal recycler. What ever pistol fired those rounds was worn out.

I don't know if the CHP had switched from the 4006 to the newer 4006TSW at that point or not, but the pistol you buy may have a high round count.

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I am looking for an ambidextrous de-cocker/safety lever assembly to fit my 3rd. gen. 4006 non TSW in the blued finish as shown in these pics. My weapon is pictured in my avatar. Do you by chance have one for sale. Thanks Ric

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Here are the two I received from Summit.

One is in the 1400s the other is in the 8000s.

Both are "E" prefix.

I also noticed the under the left side of the grip the serial is stamped almost microscopically.

Please add.these to the database if they are helpful.
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What model M&P are they going too?
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Current revision of the "original" M&P 40, I believe, and the M&P40c for plainclothes. One of their instructors and one of their gunsmiths are forum members, though, and can confirm what they're using.
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Hickok45 has just posted a 31 minute YouTube video on the S&W 4006TSW CHP:

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Hickok45 has just posted a 31 minute YouTube video on the S&W 4006TSW CHP.
I panicked when I saw this post.

But then I watched it.

Call me selfish (you see, I don't have one yet), but I'm very relieved he didn't like it!
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Current revision of the "original" M&P 40, I believe, and the M&P40c for plainclothes. One of their instructors and one of their gunsmiths are forum members, though, and can confirm what they're using.


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What model M&P are they going too?
1 gen m&p40's and 1 gen m&p 40c
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