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I purchased a 3913LS compact 9mm.

Perhaps I will carry it.

Do a lot of you carry old 3 gen guns? Are they still reliable?

Or are they past their prime?

Do the 3rd gens mostly live in the safe with range trips now and then?

Now days has the carry job been taken over by Shields and M&P 9c etc?
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You Sir have the King of Concealed Carry! It will serve you and many generations after you......

I carry one daily. You will find it totally reliable, very accurate, easily concealed, easy to find holsters, magazines etc. for it as well

GREAT CHOICE!!!!!

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My Third Gen isn't my carry gun. It's full size, although with an alloy frame. I'll be glad to take the 'old' ones off anybody's hands.
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You will find it totally reliable, very accurate, easily concealed, easy to find holsters, magazines etc. for as well

GREAT CHOICE

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Thanks. Saved me from posting the same thing.
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I have been carrying a CS 45 since before I retired, and I have been retired over 20 years.
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Here's the one I still carry. Prefer DAO, so choices are somewhat limited.

I think of it as being a slim 8-shot 9mm revolver.
Loaded with Sig 147 JHP.
Never any issues with it.
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My 3914LS or 915 get carried when an auto is invited along.

I've somehow "regressed" to mostly wheelguns over the last few years, though.
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Every day I carry it's a S&W 3rd Gen, usually a 3913 variant (3914/908/3913TSW). Utterly reliable with all types of ammo, slim and concealable, and very safe to carry, load, &unload. IMO you picked up the ideal civilian CC pistol. If you're worried about losing it, good reason to pick up another to keep in the safe as backup (and another, and another... ).
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While I prefer revolvers and have routinely carried J frames and snubbie K frames for years I recently obtained a CS-9 (I already had a CS-45) for the ability to carry it concealed. Small and flat, even as chubbed out as I am, I can hide it IWB in almost all of my clothes.

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Probably more reliable than almost any pistol out there. They don't lose their reliability because someone makes a different gun.

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If one must carry the newest and brightest then your polymer pistols rule the roost but if you like your guns to be made from metal then, NO, they can never be past their prime.

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Not if it's one of mine! I don't have many but, except for the safe queen, a 5903 SSV, NIB, no rounds have touched it, and none ever will while I own it, my CS-9 and my 6906 will see a lot of carrying. Maybe even my CS-45.

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Only if you're partial to polymer and strikers............
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The recently acquired 6906 has booted the G19 to the bedside. Along with the new 5903, they've sent the fantactical plasticals into deep hiding.
They both eagerly ran thru a variety of defense ammo yesterday.
Issues?? The 6906 said she has an issue' with bad guys....
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Old 07-18-2017, 05:57 PM
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Well, I'm an enthusiast, a life long handgun "hobbyist." Handguns are my true passion in life... I get a -lot- from owning, handling, looking at and shooting handguns and they are a multi-faceted experience for me. In that way, I cannot stand ugly plastic striker-fired Tupperware pistols in the way that I love handguns.

However, as a defensive tool, I think those ugly things work extremely well and so yes, I do carry one. It's a Walther PPQ. For what I ask it to do, it's excellent but this short paragraph is about as much as I've ever written about it in one post.

There's no love beyond that, it's a screwdriver or a decent wrench.

My S&W pistols are guns that I love and most of them get shot a LOT, because that's what I enjoy doing.

However, I do use a S&W in a defensive role -- a "hardly used" S&W 469, a 2nd Gen that I snagged for very low money and it's the pistol I carry when I go places where I am prohibited from carry and it spends most of the time locked in the car where it may potentially be stolen. It is a fine pistol and will work well if needed but no, it isn't my primary daily carry.
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My CS45 and 4553TSW have a place in the carry rotation.
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I carry a 3913NL from time to time. Somehow it just feels better than my PPS 9mm. Essentially same size and weight, as far as I can tell. I'm selling a 3914 to a CCW student on Friday. She shot a LOT of guns during our class, and she just called last week and said "can I buy the 3914? I REALLY liked that gun." Since I still have my old 3913, I said sure. She doesn't know that I made her a holster for it this week. "3rd Gen, it's what's for dinner!"
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I carry the 4513TSW, CS45 and 457, currently.

Before retirement I carried the 4506-1, 4566 and 39XX series guns on and off duty.

I carry them because they are bet your life reliable. Accurate and look good doing all that.

And I have no use for the plastic striker fired guns with their lousy triggers. Regards 18DAI
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6904 most every day for years unless its my 1013 (a 4013 converted to 10mm by BMCM) never a bobble in either one to date. Carried the 6904 in a SD class as my son had my G19 in the same class. We found the 6904 was near impossible to make it malfunction for training. Finally to had load empty brass backwards as it would feed empty cases, to make it jam for stoppage drills
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Do the 3rd gens mostly live in the safe with range trips now and then?
There has to be an exception to every rule... and when it comes to 3rd Gens, I am it.

With the notable exception of my CS40, I generally do not carry any of my 3rd Gens. And I own more than a few of them.

Why? Two reasons.

1) I am old and overweight. Doc says I'd have to lose 90+ pounds just to be considered obese. So comfortable carry for me usually means pocket carry... and for that purpose, very small, lightweight plastic works best.

2) My beloved 3rd Gen collection took a lot of time, effort and money to accumulate. It ain't easy up here in moonbat MA ya know. I would hate like Hell to drop, damage, lose, break or otherwise mess up any of my beloved 3rd Gens. Plastic I don't care a hoot about... but they ain't makin' them highly-desirable 3rd Gens anymore and so I guard mine with my life.
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Here's the way I look at it. I have a 3913, & would trust my life with it. But it was hard to find, & if I need to use it, & go home that night, my 3913 will sit in an evidence room for a year, & I may, or may not get it back. So I carry a Shield, so if it goes to the evidence room, I go to the store, & get another one for $300. So I do NOT carry my nice guns. Just ones that can be replaced cheaply in 10 minutes. GARY
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6904 or 457 , wife carrys 6906 sold both the shields
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Sure they're still reliable. Age by itself doesn't change reliability.

I did at one point 10 years ago. Then intermittently over the last few years until I sold my last 3rd gen a little over a year ago

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My first carry gun (and first handgun I bought) when I turned 21 was a brand new 457. I've been thru an assortment since then. Nowadays, I mostly carry an LCP, for convenience sake. If I want a bigger gun, it's the 3913.

I usually carry a full size when traveling, and until recently, it was a 59. Snagged a M&P 9 2.0 a couple months ago and have fallen totally in love with it. If/when they come out with a compact or shield 2.0, that may replace the 3913 as my winter carry. That said, I would be just fine with the 3913 as my only carry option.
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Probably more reliable than almost any pistol out there. They don't lose their reliability because someone makes a different gun.


I asked a similar question a while ago on a different forum. The answer I got was that they were no more or less reliable than anything else in their class/Tier. Those who carried them on the job had mixed reviews. Some had their department send back entire lots due to failures while others never had a problem. One guy had serious issues with his 4586

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"Smith 4586 was my first duty weapon and at times it made a better bludgeon than a sidearm. There were two big problems...One was the magazine followers and springs. They came in green and orange but, you wanted black. These weren't new issue guns. The second big issue is that they were like a Swiss watch inside. Lots of levers and lots of teeny parts. I had the DAO which omitted the manual safety. Heavy trigger.

I remember my night sights dying and extractor going bad and the armorer was a bit of a....different person. I couldn't get through a mag without tap rack bang. He finally believed me and replaced said parts.

With Zero or WWB it could still occasionally hang up. But with +P Rangers it was noticeably better.

There's still nostalgia for the pistol but it wasn't without flaw"

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I work for an agency of about 1,100 officers, depending on the year and the economy. My first issued gun was a S&W 5906. The gun was ok, but not so much in the accuracy department. Bench rest at 25 yds, 4.5" was about as good as it got. The newer guns issued out when S&W started using MIM parts were more accurate. These were easily identified as the MIM hammers were black.

The extractors sucked. We would buy spare extractors by the gross. I had this gun about 5 years. Went through two extractors. Broke one while shooting a dog that had bitten me once and wanted seconds.

We transitioned to the 5946. This was a more accurate gun than my pre-MIM 5906. This gun was also made just prior to a period where S&W upgraded and replaced a lot of their machinery with new CNC machinery. The DAO trigger took some getting used to though. In time it smoothed up to where it wasn't bad, for a DAO trigger. (Side note, I hate DAO triggers)

This gun uses the same extractor as the 5906. It still sucks. It's too thin. The 9mm guns we saw that were made in the custom shop used a larger extractor, either the 40 cal or the 45 cal, not sure, but it was explained to me by the LE sales rep carrying a custom shop pistol.

I had the 5946 for about 8-9 years when the agency started seeing issues with the guns. The armors just kept a box of parts on the firing line so as to not disrupt training. Parts needing replaced were guide rods and/or barrels. The issue was the little notch where the guide rod rests in the barrel.

Our last year with the 5946/6946, we estimate about $80k worth of parts were used to keep the guns up and running. We estimated the round count before a pattern of issues showing up to be around 30K for the 5946 and about 20K for the 6946.

When we transitioned away, officers are permitted to buy their issued gun for what the trade in value would be. I declined.

When looking for our new gun, the agency received the first 3 9mm M&P's to leave the factory. Some minor changes later and the production guns started shipping.

Now after almost seven years of carrying the M&P, I can honestly say I don't miss my 5946 at all.

I do own one 3rd gen Smith auto though, my favorite 3rd gen gun they ever made. A 3913."
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RV4driver I had a similar experience. I spent the last 18 months working part-time as an instructor at the local range. Helping them cope with the huge number of new shooters. The vast majority of the new shooters being female.

I would have them try all the popular current production guns. The XDs9, G43, PPS, shield, G42. They disliked all of them, for various reasons. But the one constant dislike was felt recoil.

I had the ones that couldnt find a gun to suit them shoot my 3914. Everyone of them had to have one. They couldnt understand why it was no longer in production. I sent them to Gunbroker and every one of them got a 3914 or 3913. For awhile there were no 3914s available on Gunbroker.

Great guns. That they are no longer being made available for sale is just one more stupid decision by the current company calling itself s&w. Regards 18DAI
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My 6906 is still in my carry rotation, usually when I am wearing running shorts or sweat pants because it lives in a fanny pack. As long as a gun is reliable, accurate, you have magazines to feed it, and it fires an effective round that is still produced, why not carry it.
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My daughter had a similar experience when she was taking her state required class. The instructor is a friend of mine and asked me to bring along a couple of guns for the class to try.

I brought along my 6906 and M&P9c. She loved the 6906 and shot it well. Being left handed, she really liked the ambi safety on the 6906. She HATED the M&P. Not so much the recoil as the incredibly hard time she had cycling the slide and that it was impossible for her to load more than 7 or 8 rounds in the 10 round magazine.

She lives in Texas now and I'd lover for her to get her LTC. I'd pay for the class and find a nice single stack 3rd Gen for her.

That's if your students don't buy them all up!!

I usually carry my pre rail 3913TSW, as I am as I type this. Sometimes it's one of my other compact 3rd Gens and occasionally my 457.

So, yes I carry my antique 3rd Gens.



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RV4driver I had a similar experience. I spent the last 18 months working part-time as an instructor at the local range. Helping them cope with the huge number of new shooters. The vast majority of the new shooters being female.

I would have them try all the popular current production guns. The XDs9, G43, PPS, shield, G42. They disliked all of them, for various reasons. But the one constant dislike was felt recoil.

I had the ones that couldnt find a gun to suit them shoot my 3914. Everyone of them had to have one. They couldnt understand why it was no longer in production. I sent them to Gunbroker and every one of them got a 3914 or 3913. For awhile there were no 3914s available on Gunbroker.

Great guns. That they are no longer being made available for sale is just one more stupid decision by the current company calling itself s&w. Regards 18DAI
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That's what I carry almost exclusively! Mostly a 3954 but sometimes a 6946. Also will carry my 6904 or 3913 both converted to single sided safely. My son-in-law is 29 and loves all the new stuff, builds AR's, ect. but he carries a 3953TSW or a 2.5" 66-3.

Outdated? No way. They just aren't too well known to under 40 shooters and I hope it stays that way...if they find out there won't be enough to go around!

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Here's the way I look at it. I have a 3913, & would trust my life with it. But it was hard to find, & if I need to use it, & go home that night, my 3913 will sit in an evidence room for a year, & I may, or may not get it back. So I carry a Shield, so if it goes to the evidence room, I go to the store, & get another one for $300. So I do NOT carry my nice guns. Just ones that can be replaced cheaply in 10 minutes. GARY
I understand this point-of-view, even though I don't agree with it. The two 3rd Gens of mine that get carried were both purchased for under $300 (and show it in appearance). They use the same mags as my nicer examples, but I don't have to beat up the pretty ones, while still getting all the function.

I understand that the market is not flooded with sub-$300 3rd Gens, but they're out there if you're patient.
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I stopped when I retired and went to a J frame instead, because I was not driving to work in the dark at 6 AM through town...
But I saw one for sale yesterday, and I'm still thinking about buying it.
No better 9mm pistols made by anybody, IMO.
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I don't carry it much any more but I do keep a 6946 in my truck at all times. It hasn't left in years except to get an occasional range trip. Carried a 5906 for years, never missed a beat. The older I get the better a little J frame feels in my pocket.
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I don't own the quantity of 3rd gen's that some folks have collected over the years, as I was only looking for some smaller off-duty additions now and then, but I have a fair representation of that category.

I own a 3913, CS9, CS45, 3913TSW (late production), 4513TSW (original cutaway grip frame), 4013TSW and 4040PD.

The newest 3913TSW has seen the least amount of use, as it was only pulled from inventory (in NIB/unissued condition) to replace my issued 4513TSW a couple of years ago. I bought it when we were given the opportunity to buy one previous duty weapon, but I doubt it's seen more than a thousand rounds (if that) in the short time I carried it before it was replaced with an issued M&P40.

The 4040PD has seen the next least amount of range time, probably totaling no more than 2K rounds fired (it spent a long time in the safe from when I bought it in '05, and then decided to get it out and start shooting it again a couple years ago).

I've done a pretty fair amount of shooting with my other 3rd gens over the years, as they often replaced my issued weapons for range sessions when I was working as an instructor (and I'd get bored shooting the various issued weapons all the time).

I suspect my original 3913 ('98 production?), 4013TSW and my CS45 have seen the bulk of rounds fired over the years. At least a few thousand rounds each (and I was trying to wear out the CS45 for a few years ).

I've done some preventive maintenance replacement of springs over the years, and some occasional replacement of older parts with newer, revised parts (just because I could, as an armorer), and had probably a mag spring go a little too long before replacement at one time or another (like in the CS45), and I've periodically done armorer inspections of all of them.

However, aside from a sear spring pin in the 4013TSW having to be replaced (due to something I'd stupidly done to it), I haven't really had to dip into my spare/repair parts collection over the years.

A close friend of mine (another retired instructor) has owned a few 3rd gen's, which he shoots a lot more than I do, because he lives in the low Sierra's and built a range on his property many years ago.

He did manage to have an original 3913TSW frame develop a weird crack at the front of the frame dustcover, which the factory said was a weird place and rare. It happened at somewhere between 12-15K rounds, and they replaced the gun with a new 3913TSW.

His new 3913TSW is now many years old, and he said he likes to shoot it a lot, like almost everyday. I can't force him to keep it clean ... but I did give him a supply of new factory recoil springs a few years ago and told him to replace the spring at least every 5K rounds fired.

A few months ago he brought me the now very well-worn 3913TSW for an inspection, and I noticed the extractor had a small chip in the hook's edge. Now, S&W 3rd gen's have often been reported to function normally even with chipped extractors, but a chipped extractor is a chipped extractor ... so I filed and fitted a new one for the gun (and replaced the extractor spring with a new one that gauged out in the normal range on the force dial gauge). Test-fire of the replaced extractor confirmed feeding & extraction was, as expected, normal.

He's hard on his guns, though. HARD. Borderline ( ) abusive.

I found chunks of sawdust inside one of his SW99's one day, and he just shrugged and said he'd been wearing it while doing some fence work, but that the gun had fired and functioned just fine before he'd brought it by for an inspection.

I had to replace the ejector (molded into the sear housing block of the 99's) in one of his full-size SW99's back several years ago. As best he and I could guesstimate, he'd fired in excess of 52K through that SW99 before the ejector broke.

Bottom line, the 3rd gen's are pretty robust, reliable and durable guns. The 9's and .45's generally seem to run longer, with less wear & tear, than .40's, but the .40 is hard on guns.

Keep them clean and lubed (especially important with the aluminum frames), and don't be stingy about replacing recoil springs. As was observed by an armorer instructor in a Glock class, fresh (recoil) springs help keep guns alive. No need to let them become battered.
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I carried a 1076 for several years. Like N4KVE, I retired it concerned about it languishing in an evidence locker with some detective's initials scratched in it while they try to figure out if some miscreant deserved the shooting he got.
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My 6904 looks as grizzled as me, although all it springs are fresh and night sights bright. I have carried it all over the country and if it were to go into an evidence locker I would be sad but it will have done its job. I trust it absolutely to protect family, property and home, it will do its job well as long as I do mine. It wont languish in a safe worrying about losing it. The 6904 has a Job to do and it will continue to serve
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I have a gen 2 669 that's in my carry rotation along with a p320c
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6906 always close at hand! Generally carry Mod 60 or 640-1.
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I purchased a 3913LS compact 9mm.

Perhaps I will carry it. Do a lot of you carry old 3 gen guns? Are they still reliable? Or are they past their prime?

Do the 3rd gens mostly live in the safe with range trips now and then?

Now days has the carry job been taken over by Shields and M&P 9c etc?
Here is my 3913NL same as your LadySmith but without the logo:



Mine has an action job by "T" (Teddy Jacobson), well known for his work on 3G Smiths, and it also has had the slide refinished and enhanced by member BMCM, Master machinist of all things 3G.
This weapon I would trust my life to, current plastic Smiths not so much. Most any 3G will out shoot and outlast any of the plastic fantastics so popular now.

Like TAROMAN I prefer DAO for carry and revolver like manual of arms, so this gets carried more than my 3913NL or my 3914LS:



Of course there are 3G variants that Smith & Wesson didn't make, so some of us have taken a DIY approach to building weapons that the Mothership has forgotten, this 4013 converted to 10mm is a recent acquisition:



Soon to be sent to the Master Chief for a makeover and reliability check. I'm hoping he will do one of his famous step by step posts of the work he will do for me on this "1013".

And most recently (12:29 today) I added this DAO 10mm to my collection, which includes the 1006 and 1076:



I could go on with my Shorty 40 and my 4040PD, both treasured 3G guns, but I'll stop for now, with one caution for you, once you find out just how good your 3913LS is you will likely want to add more of these fine weapons to what could quickly become a collection (accumulation?) of these old and out of production guns.

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I don't carry every day but the third gens would be my choice. I transport them in my vehicle at times and have these to choose from.
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A 6906 is my primary EDC. As for being past its prime, I don't think it's even reached puberty yet!
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I couldn't say it better. Since 1994, this one's on me at all possible times, usually in the nylon IWB to the left of the "ostrich hide" one it's pictured in. Joe
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I did carry a 3913NL for a while, but like someone else said earlier, it was too nice take a chance on messing it up, so I went to a Shield. However, when the weather turns cold here, I take every chance I get to carry my 4516. Providing I'm not going to be on foot all day. It is a tad heavy, but there's something very comforting about having that weight nestled inside my pants above my hip.

I'm keeping my eyes peeled for a good deal on a CS45 too! Well, there's also that 3914 I want to find............
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Settled on 3rd Gen Smith's in the early 90s.....my first was a 3913.

Primary carry 95% of the time is a 3923NL from the first year of production.

Back ups are a PC Shorty 9 or a 6906.

Over the years I've acquired back-ups to each......... and back-ups to those back-ups....... and maybe a few more here and there!!!!

I've been shooting for 55years .... handguns for 40+....... only thing better than a 3rd Gen Compact 9mm for concealed carry is a 3" 66...... but that's a whole other story!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I leave the house everyday with a LCP Custom in my pocket plus a 3913 in a IWB Cleveland Kydex holster. Sometimes in cold weather I go 4026 or 4566. I did buy a new Shield but it's already sold, 3913 rules with me.
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Despite my love for the 3G autos I too like a revolver as my primary defensive weapon, but I do carry a 3G of some sort as back-up to my wheel gun.

Like you I don't find a K frame to be too heavy or too big for concealed carry. The weight and extra round of my 547 six shooter in 9mm gives me comfort in the case of needing rounds on target in a hurry.

I'll resist posting the photo as this is a semi auto thread, and I'm sure you've all seen it before.

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Occasionally, I carry a 5943 when its cooler outside and I can hide the full length grip. 17 plus 1 in 9mm and a reload would/should see me through pretty much anything.
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I've been carrying my recently acquired 4516-2 fairly often. It's heavy, yes. But the footprint is very manageable. It actually carries quite well appendix style--even though I don't have a really good holster setup for it yet (just using a neoprene blackhawk).

I also have a 645 which I will carry on occasion too. I have this generic, open-bottom nylon holster that handles its size surprisingly well--even in the appendix position. The muzzle sticks out of the bottom, and grip lays roughly parallel with the waistline, so it really doesn't print much. I don't know if it's the "tactically cool thing" to do... but it's kind of neat to be walking around Kroger in a t-shirt and jeans with a big old 645 in your pants. YMMV.

My 6904 was actually my main carry gun for quite a while, until I got my latest Sig P239--which pretty much answers all my CCW/AIWB needs at the moment. 6904 is a great gun, though and I'd bet my life on it any day. I shot circles around a P228 I had with that 6904. Never selling that one.

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