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Old 08-14-2017, 10:40 PM
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Hi guys, just wanted to post some pics of my 4506-1. Currently on the wait list for my departments (LAPD) de-cocker school, which is a transition course from striker fired (M&P, Glock) to de-cocker type pistols, including Beretta's. Had some trouble sourcing one of these local, so I turned to the internet. Unfortunately the pistol was delivered the magazine disconnect safety disabled. LAPD's armorers hardly have any parts available for third gen guns, so officers must source parts on their own. I was able to find the disconnect (plunger) on Midway.

As the armorer installed the part and inspected my gun, he found the sight base screw (adjustables) had been sheared off. Armorer turned down working on the pistol, afraid of causing further damage. He recommend sending the gun to the factory. After several weeks I finally received back a fully functioning 4506!
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The pics also show my current duty gun, an M&P9 Pro series, and LAPD's current duty ammo Federal HST 230 grain (non +P)
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Very nice. Have one and a pleasure to shoot. And Way prettier than that old black thing.
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congrats....45056-1 pics never get old........AND it has the awesome adjustable sights
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Carried a 4506 & a 4506-1 most of my career once we switched to semi’s. I keep 1 glock because its a required issue, a Walther P99 in 9 & 40as due to them being issued for 6 months with a new chief. I’ve gone back to hammer fired metal frame. Just want to find either a 659 or 5906 locally. Love gen 3 Smiths.
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An identical 4506-1 was my duty gun for many years. Bet your life reliable and tack driving accurate. Enjoy yours!

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Sweet.......great score.......haven't seen one for sale locally in years.

I was lucky enough to score a 4566 about a decade ago.

For a carry .45 that would be about 4th on my list...................it's a big hunk-0- steel.............I max out at the 4566 or 5906

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Nice I recently acquired a nice NIB 4516-2 that is a nice lil gun. My shield had an "issue" and was sidelined a couple weeks so I carried the 3rd gen. A little heavier but for a steel compact and compared to the shield (also a45) ot a lot different in size.

I am not a LEO but out of curiosity what/why decocker school is required?

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I have a 4006 and love it. The only thing I don't like about it is it's weight. It is a heavy pistol. But, for accuracy, trigger pull, etc... I don't think it can be beat. I normally carry (concealed) either my Glock 22 in .40 or my Makarov 9 X 18. Every now and again, just for kicks, I'll carry my Model 66, 2.5" barrel.
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So what do you do if something else breaks? Go back to the M&P while you wait for parts? Or do you have to take another class for decocker - striker?

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No school like old school. It's heavy, it's a tank and parts are unlikely to fail. The issues with your gun were the result of "tinkering."
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nice find! Im on the exact same wait list... heard it might get cancelled this year
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Thank guys for all the support. And I hope it doesn't get cancelled but heard they're really pushing for more 1911 schools, so de-cocker school is once a year now.

As far as if something else breaks I'd have to source the parts and carry my M&P until its fixed, or find another 4506. Officer here blew out a barrel not too long ago, had trouble finding a replacement.

And the de-cocker school is more CYA. The manual of arms and manipulations is different, also the double/single action transition takes practice. After the school you must qualify every month for a year to make sure you're well aquatinted with the firearm.

Purchased a used safariland holster similar to my issued one, makes the transition easier. Still looking for a good off duty one, may have to go Vic Mackey style for those who know !
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Sweet.......great score.......haven't seen one for sale locally in years.
Found a fairly decent Model 4506-1 in a shop today in my travels. Unfortunately, the shop is not in Massachusetts... meaning significant extra expense and complexity if I decide I want it.

It was a Model 4506-1 (R4) dash 3 with 2-line laser etched slide markings. 2 old yellow follower magazines, no box or papers. Last one I found like it was in pretty tough shape but this one was acceptable albeit far from pristine perfect.

If it were in-state, I probably would have swallowed hard and bought it... putting myself so far down into debt after last week's truck tranny bill that I better start looking for a part-time job or a bankruptcy attorney.
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You might be interested in this 4506-1 that I purchased on consignment from Greta's Guns in Simi Valley in 2008. The owner of the shop is a retired LAPD detective and many of his customers are current or former LAPD guys.

What struck me about it was that it had what appeared to be factory adjustable night sights. In addition, the wear pattern on the pistol appeared to be from a duty holster. Frankly, I collect S&W 3rd Gens I had not seen one with factory adjustable night sights. Then I saw the '97 date on the night sights and I felt that the pistol may have been one of those ordered by LAPD officers after the February 1997 North Hollywood shootout (aka the Battle of North Hollywood). Many officers who felt they were sorely out gunned in that shootout, sought approval to start carrying .45 ACP autos. The 4506-1 was one of the .45s approved.

So, I purchased the pistol and immediately requested a factory letter from S&W. You will note in the factory letter from Roy Jinks that he states my 4506-1 is a "Special Order Los Angeles Police, caliber .45 ACP" and was shipped in May of 1997.

I note that yours seems to have what appear to be factory night sights. I'm wondering if the serial number is close to mine and if the night sights are dated '97?

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Hey sir thanks for the reply and thats an amazing find. Theres still alot of Officers carrying these and it's developed a cult status. Mine happens to be older than yours, manufactured in 1994. Still in amazing shape, and surprising how accurate it is for a production gun.

I wasn't lucky enough to find one with adjustable night sights, but I found some replacements on optics planet. They're listed under 1006 parts. Unfortunately the armory didn't wan to take the chance to replace the sights. So I had to send mine back to the factory, had all the repairs done and sights done at once.
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I had the exact same one with 8 mags, bought it because it was the Vic Mackey gun. HAHAHA. Great gun, it was like shooting a .22, but carried like a giant piece of steel. It's a tank. I sold it for a crazy sum with 3 mags and sold off the rest-I bought 2 Glocks.
What's LAPD issuing these days? It was the Glock 22, with Glocks in 9/40/45 approved. Same with the S&W M&P series? Seems a S&W M&P45 would be the way to go if you're a S&W man.
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I carried a 4506-1 as my duty weapon for 7 years. When the department transitioned to the Sig P226 in 2006, we had the opportunity to purchase our 4506's, which I did. Mine is very similar in that it has the adjustable sights, but has a flash chromed hammer and trigger. It's built like a tank.

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I have a 4506-1 that was special order LAPD serial# VJC01,, laser etched If I recall correctly it was made around 2002. I found it in a pawn shop in So Cal. Gun supposedly has a dubious past. Officer was in a shooting with this gun and was fired and he pawned it. Some time later he was re hired but never went back for the gun. I had his name and I used to work with many LAPD in an off duty job. I talked to at-least twenty different officers and none of them knew him. I also have a 4566 that I got from a LAPD motor when he switched to a 1911..
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Thank guys for all the support. And I hope it doesn't get cancelled but heard they're really pushing for more 1911 schools, so de-cocker school is once a year now.

As far as if something else breaks I'd have to source the parts and carry my M&P until its fixed, or find another 4506. Officer here blew out a barrel not too long ago, had trouble finding a replacement.

And the de-cocker school is more CYA. The manual of arms and manipulations is different, also the double/single action transition takes practice. After the school you must qualify every month for a year to make sure you're well aquatinted with the firearm.

Purchased a used safariland holster similar to my issued one, makes the transition easier. Still looking for a good off duty one, may have to go Vic Mackey style for those who know !
MY Performance Center DPA 5906 is a de-cocker only........ wonder if you can get parts to modify a 4506??? or a 4566....Hummmmmmm!
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MY Performance Center DPA 5906 is a de-cocker only........ wonder if you can get parts to modify a 4506??? or a 4566....Hummmmmmm!
You might still be able to find the parts, but you would still need to machine the slide(s).

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I have a 4506-1 that was special order LAPD serial# VJC01,, laser etched If I recall correctly it was made around 2002. I found it in a pawn shop in So Cal. Gun supposedly has a dubious past. Officer was in a shooting with this gun and was fired and he pawned it. Some time later he was re hired but never went back for the gun. I had his name and I used to work with many LAPD in an off duty job. I talked to at-least twenty different officers and none of them knew him. I also have a 4566 that I got from a LAPD motor when he switched to a 1911..


Can you post a few photos of the pistol. Does it have factory adjustable night sights? Thanks.
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DanRod_LA the Aker Flatsider paddle with thumb break is what you seek if you are searching for Mackey's holster.

A few years back, Alphonso's in Hollywood was making something similar for the 4506. Good luck with the search! And should you come across a Left hand example, Please advise!!! Regards 18DAI
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It does not have adjustable sights..I will try and post a photo later today.
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It does not have adjustable sights..I will try and post a photo later today.

Photos would be great when you can get to it.
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Here is my LAPD 4506 also photo of 4506-1 Fresno Sheriff. The LAPD gun is not marked as a -1 but is a very late birth date. I understand that they dropped the -1 on the late models. The Fresno Sheriff gun was issued to a court bailiff. He only shot the minimum rounds to stay qualified. A friend was the range deputy for Fresno Sheriff and researched the gun for me..
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.....reading this thread again gave me an itch..............so tomorrow I decided to scratch it at my ranges geezer discount monday
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Nice 4506-1.I got one a few months ago, it has the regular sights, not the adjustable ones. Denzel approves

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You might be interested in this 4506-1 that I purchased on consignment from Greta's Guns in Simi Valley in 2008. The owner of the shop is a retired LAPD detective and many of his customers are current or former LAPD guys.

What struck me about it was that it had what appeared to be factory adjustable night sights. In addition, the wear pattern on the pistol appeared to be from a duty holster. Frankly, I collect S&W 3rd Gens I had not seen one with factory adjustable night sights. Then I saw the '97 date on the night sights and I felt that the pistol may have been one of those ordered by LAPD officers after the February 1997 North Hollywood shootout (aka the Battle of North Hollywood). Many officers who felt they were sorely out gunned in that shootout, sought approval to start carrying .45 ACP autos. The 4506-1 was one of the .45s approved.

So, I purchased the pistol and immediately requested a factory letter from S&W. You will note in the factory letter from Roy Jinks that he states my 4506-1 is a "Special Order Los Angeles Police, caliber .45 ACP" and was shipped in May of 1997.

I note that yours seems to have what appear to be factory night sights. I'm wondering if the serial number is close to mine and if the night sights are dated '97?

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I am aware that the 4506 was authorized after the North Hollywood incident, but .45's wouldn't have done any better against full auto AK's and body armor wearing bad guys. I'd rather have 15 rounds of 9MM over 8 .45's in that case. Once you're through your 3 duty mags, you're out, and 46 rounds sounds better to me than 25.
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I am aware that the 4506 was authorized after the North Hollywood incident, but .45's wouldn't have done any better against full auto AK's and body armor wearing bad guys. I'd rather have 15 rounds of 9MM over 8 .45's in that case. Once you're through your 3 duty mags, you're out, and 46 rounds sounds better to me than 25.
I get that. However, some LAPD officers already desired to carry .45 autos and the North Hollywood shootout gave them a platform from which to argue in favor of the .45. There was also a push to have assault weapons in the patrol cars. The guys who had been arguing for the .45 simply did not let a crisis go to waste . . . how very political.
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I get that. However, some LAPD officers already desired to carry .45 autos and the North Hollywood shootout gave them a platform from which to argue in favor of the .45. There was also a push to have assault weapons in the patrol cars. The guys who had been arguing for the .45 simply did not let a crisis go to waste . . . how very political.
Oh, I'm sure. What surprises me is how the LAPD, which used to modify their revolvers to fire DAO, not only allowed TDA semi auto's at all, but continues to let officers choose their own weapons. Surprised they haven't gone to Glock with a 12 pound NY trigger. They could have just as easily only offered Beretta 92D's or DAO .45's.
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Just finished Decocker Trans School. My hands are dead lol
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Currently on the wait list for my department's (LAPD) de-cocker school, which is a transition course from striker fired (M&P, Glock) to de-cocker type pistols, including Berettas.
I'm glad to hear this, and I'm a huge fan of the 2nd AND 3rd generation S&W autos (I have a 645 I love). It's heavy, accurate and exceptionally reliable. I'm not sold on the .45 ACP round, but the 645 is incredibly intimidating and fun to shoot.

I'm curious about why your department's de-cocker school is offering the transition course. Does it stem from anyone's unhappiness with the striker-fire pistols?

From a reliability standpoint, the 2nd generation Smiths seem to be equal to the third generation. The third generation tends to be aimed at ergonomic improvements, but in many cases I prefer the second generation over the third.

The 659 is still my favorite 9mm pistol, though my 5906 is just as good and just as reliable. I'd love to have some beautiful wood grips for it. (With the 5906, it's almost impossible to find replacement grips because of how the grips are worked into the design of the gun. The 659 has regular grips that can be removed and replaced.
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I'm glad to hear this, and I'm a huge fan of the 2nd AND 3rd generation S&W autos (I have a 645 I love). It's heavy, accurate and exceptionally reliable. I'm not sold on the .45 ACP round, but the 645 is incredibly intimidating and fun to shoot.

I'm curious about why your department's de-cocker school is offering the transition course. Does it stem from anyone's unhappiness with the striker-fire pistols?

From a reliability standpoint, the 2nd generation Smiths seem to be equal to the third generation. The third generation tends to be aimed at ergonomic improvements, but in many cases I prefer the second generation over the third.

The 659 is still my favorite 9mm pistol, though my 5906 is just as good and just as reliable. I'd love to have some beautiful wood grips for it. (With the 5906, it's almost impossible to find replacement grips because of how the grips are worked into the design of the gun. The 659 has regular grips that can be removed and replaced.

It is offered for those who came on with glock and m&p to have more options for already approved guns. I made it through the school with a 5903. There were 2 Baretta 9mm and the rest 4506. I can also carry the 4506 if I just can find one for sale that is reasonable.

It was scaled down from 4 days to 3 days. Just repeated then test on manipulations (reloads, unloads, chamber checks, 5 types of malfunctions, and proven ability to shoot a certain score 3 times in a row in our bi-monthly qualification course.
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Been following this post with some interest considering I was one of the transition school instructors this past week.

One of the things I noticed was the variations in the guns. Some guys had 4506s, but most had -1s. BUT even the -1s had some variations.

I was comparing my gun to another instructors. His had the blackened roll marks and Smith logo on the slide. Mine had non-blackened roll marks and the logo on the frame. His gun however was NOT marked-1 but clearly was. It had the round trigger guard, no step in the frame and blocky slide.

So that being said it almost looks like Smith went from 4506 to 4506-1 and some time later back to calling them just 4506? My gun was bought new in mid 1998, the other instructor bought his new in late 1999.

Also regarding those special order LAPD 4506s. Some were flat out lemons. It was pretty clear to use the special orders guns were made on overtime Saturday morning. On some guns the machining was so bad you could look down the side of the slide and see it was wavy and uneven. To their credit Smith made it right and repaired or replaced whatever needed it to make the guns work.

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The very late 4506's they dropped the -1.. Mine is serial VJC01XX LAPD special order as I recall around 2001..
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The very late 4506's they dropped the -1.. Mine is serial VJC01XX LAPD special order as I recall around 2001...
... and I am still trying to buy one from out-of-state as we speak, although the effort is not going very well.

But I have a question: The one I am pursuing does not have its original factory box. How does it read on the factory box for these late-produced guns? Should the selling dealer and my in-state FFL write that gun up as a "4506" or as a "4506-1" or something else?

I'm not that worried about it as long as the two of them are consistent with each other but it would be kind of nice if it matched what it would have said on the original factory box.

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FFL should list it just as it is marked on the gun, if the gun is stamped as a -1 or without the dash, nothing to be concerned about.
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I have a 4506 which has had 50 rounds through it. It was given to me when I retired. All of my other generation 3 pistols are DA/SA as well. I love them.
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Those late production 4506s with the laser etched markings, vice rollmarks, were the last of the breed. They are referred to by collectors as the "dash 3". Even though they had no dash or number after the "4506" marking on the frame.

On the orders made for LE agencies after the official end of production, these are the guns that were produced and shipped. As far as I have been able to find out, the 4506 was made through 2006 to fill LE orders.

There are two later orders - unconfirmed as of yet - 100 guns in 2008 to a CA LE agency and another for 100 in 2010 for an agency in North Dakota. If someone could add info to these unconfirmed orders it would be much appreciated.

I have owned a few of the 4506 "dash 3" guns and still own one. As well as a couple of 4506-1s. Those "dash 3" guns exhibit some extrodinary accuracy. It has been commented on previously on this board and others.

Back around 2002 or 2003 Lew Horten had a bunch of 4506-3s for sale from an overun. Many here purchased them and were very suprised at the match grade accuracy those guns exhibited.

If you LA guys don't mind me asking, what does a clean 4506 go for out in CA these days? How easy is it to find one? Thanks! Regards 18DAI
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A clean 4506, especially with box, in LA area will or should sell for $700-800. Priced below $700 and it sells really quickly. The market here has dried up lately as I don't see them for sale much. The market is soft right now too and the 3rd Gens can be a little tricky to sell here if the price isn't good.

I need to check my records, I bought my 4506 from local LEO and believe it dates to 2006 or 2008 and as stated, it is quite a nice shooter!
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TTSH my box for my old duty gun has "4506" on the box label. But the gun has "4506-1" roll marked on the frame.

Based on your description of the 4506 you are persuing, I am confident it will say "4506" on the label and being a 4506 "dash 3" will be laser etched "4506" on the frame. So you should have no problems. Hope this helps! Best regards, 18DAI
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I would trust my life to that gun no problem. In fact, I carried a 4006 for many years and it never let me down. The only thing that helped when it came time to swap it out was that we went to 45's.

Danrod45, do you carry the gun with the safety on or do you guys train with it as a de cocker only?
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I would trust my life to that gun no problem. In fact, I carried a 4006 for many years and it never let me down. The only thing that helped when it came time to swap it out was that we went to 45's.

Danrod45, do you carry the gun with the safety on or do you guys train with it as a de cocker only?
we train with it as a decocker only. safety on is considered a malfunction
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I get that. However, some LAPD officers already desired to carry .45 autos and the North Hollywood shootout gave them a platform from which to argue in favor of the .45. There was also a push to have assault weapons in the patrol cars. The guys who had been arguing for the .45 simply did not let a crisis go to waste . . . how very political.
This exactly - can't blame anyone for using the "hot topic" to push for common sense, which is often the only time it's allowed. Back then, most 9mm duty loads were terrible and the .45 was a better option. Different designs have now even the playing field some, bringing 9mm's back into favor. I'm one of them.
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If I were an LEO in Los Angeles, I would want to patrol in the USS New Jersey on wheels. Thanks to those who do the job.
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we train with it as a decocker only. safety on is considered a malfunction
does this stupid training consideration affect shotgun and rifle training too? ?

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I am aware that the 4506 was authorized after the North Hollywood incident, but .45's wouldn't have done any better against full auto AK's and body armor wearing bad guys. I'd rather have 15 rounds of 9MM over 8 .45's in that case. Once you're through your 3 duty mags, you're out, and 46 rounds sounds better to me than 25.
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