I watched Hickcock45's YouTube video on the Smith & Wesson 4006 TSW and could not believe he said he had never fired any of the Smith & Wesson Gen 1,2,3 automatics. He was not very kind in his review. He said he had only picked one up in passing, never fired one, never wanted to and never had any interests in one. This from a man who has fired and reviewed thousands of guns. Critical of its weight, slide mounted safety and other things he disliked. How can a so called firearms expert have never have fired an American handgun that has been used by thousands of police officers and shooter's from the 1950's. Unbelievable!!!

If you watch a lot of his videos, he does state his own personal preferences for a pistol: A consistent trigger from first shot and no slide mounted safety. He doesn't really like the Beretta M9 for the same reasons.

To be fair, he does speak pretty kindly to guns he probably despises. I saw the video in question, and I think he liked shooting it, even though he has no interest in having one.

I'd probably be much harsher on a Glock or stiker fired pistol like those. I wouldn't want it for free. Good thing we all like different things.

He had no interest in one, so what!?!


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There's a lot of things I have no interest in, (including plastic guns, AR's and AK's and their clones) but, as Arik said.... So What?!

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I'm not sure what a firearms expert is and I've never heard Hickok45 call himself that. Is an expert someone who knows everything about everything? Is there such a person except in their own minds? I think he's just a guy who loves to shoot and makes very insightful videos about it by not writing about, but actually shooting. He does say he tries out guns viewers keep asking him to which he sometimes says he never had interest in. His knowledge about the history of guns he shoots is pretty extensive except when he himself says he isn't sure about something.
Gunwriters for magazines are often given assignment to test guns they have no interest in. I think Hickok is just a regular guy who found a fun way to test guns via these videos. And the guy is a really good shot who doesn't edit out mistakes.

Here's a tidbit for you....those older Smith autos are not everyone's favorite. I honestly dont like them at all. Back in the day when they were on the store shelves, they sat right next to much cheaper Rugers, much better Sig P series...and the new "plastic" guns that none of us were all that sure of (Glock). They were heavy, have terrible first shot double action triggers, and everytime I picked one up...the grip felt so dumb and cheap...like they cut a bicycle inner tune and stretched it over the grip frame.
Hickok45 gives honest reviews, and he gave HIS review. The man is allowed his opinion. I think he was way too kind. Ya know why those style Smiths are gone, but Sig P series are still around? Because not enough people really wanted them. Law enforcement to this day is still a Glock and Sig world, and there's a reason for it. Again, well made pistols but certainly not the Cadillac of handguns.

Hickock45... "said he had only picked one up in passing, never fired one, never wanted to and never had any interest in one." Personally, I could say the same about his "beloved Glocks". I prefer Walther for my polymer pistols. A choice is wonderful.

If you thought he was hard on the Beretta ....
you should have seen the M9 and Taurus clone review.

He did not give high marks for the 9mm High point either.
I'm Crushed.............. !!! (Huh ? )

The best description of an expert that I ever hears was this: "An expertise is person WH knows more and more about less and less." That is how and why they become experts. Hickok 45 is a very good gun reviewer who has every right to his opinion, choices, and conclusions. He is not an expert.

I'm a big fan of Hickock 45, I've bought quite a few handguns after watching his reviews. Maybe I need to watch him less.

Why because he didn't like the 4006? So what? It's not everyone's cup of tea!

I don't watch his reviews all that much because to me he doesn't really review, it's not focused on what I'm interested in.

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He is a youtube expert, firearms his how he makes money off of viewers. Without youtube, he like a lot of other youtube experts would be looking for jobs.

I know this is going to upset his followers, but his opinion is worth what you pay for it. It should be considered entertainment, if not entertained by his opinion then don't watch. If you do watch keep in mind this guy makes his spending money playing in his backyard.

WWolf gets it , spot on .

Definitely not his best production...? He had a couple problems with breaking down the Gen 3 & the M&P as well.

Now, when it came to shooting it he really liked it, and shot it extremely well, pretty much as he always does. At almost 40 ounces it would admittedly be a a pretty heavy carry piece, but for home defense or for someone who actually intends TO SHOOT THE WEAPON ON A REGULAR BASIS (as in "at the range" or otherwise?), what's not to like about one? Don't hear much about "concealed carry" situations within the California HIGHWAY PATROL, do you?

In case you can't tell he is much more of a very experienced enthusiast who happens to also be a very good shot and whose attraction is his folksy delivery and ability to ENTERTAIN his intended audience. I don't really recall him ever claiming to be any kind of firearms "expert"...? I like and enjoy him: quite often I agree with him and his observations are often quite inciteful, IMHO!

CHEERS!

Remember.......Opinions are like exhaust pipes......Everybody's got one.......I don't let internet cowboys influence my decisions..........

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History is full of people who turned a hobby into an occupation. If you want one very notable example read up on the early history of Henry Ford. He started out building a automobile in his garage because he wanted to have one and wasn't wealthy enough to purchase what was currently available. BTW, Henry kept that thought in mind when he started cranking out the Model T and was such a success because instead of making automobiles for the wealthy he made automobiles for everyone who had employment.

Point being that "playing in their backyard" can at times lead to a history changing invention or idea". If you want more examples Newton and Einstein come to mind pretty quickly.

Granted Hickok isn't an Einstein but he is entertaining and many of his reviews do have a real value for those looking to explore a new area of firearms. I'll also note that the early S&W semi's are a total PITA to field strip and re-assemble. Which is why I prefer Sig Sauer's pistols over the S&W semi's.

Arik you need to re read my post, I said I'm a big fan of Hickcock 45. The reason I need to watch him less is ,an Ed Brown Special Forces after watching his review, 3 Springfield Professionals after watching his review, a S&W model 27-2 after watching his review. That is just the tip of the iceberg the list goes on and on. If I have an interest in a revolver or a pistol, I google Hickcock 45 to check to see if he did a video on it. I feel he does a great job reviewing, in my case, sometimes too good. As far as the S&W automatics, don't have any not my cup of tea.

The S&W semi autos of new and old never appealed to me either. It's just a preference. But I watched the video because I like to learn about guns I know nothing about. That's why I watch a majority of his videos. Just to see how they shoot and he also does a good job of explaining the history of the guns he is shooting.

I see what you mean

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I had zero problems field stripping my issued model 39.

I stated that he was entertainment, AFAIK he is not building firearms, or cars. Plus I did acknowledge I would upset some of his fans.

I find his videos entertaining. I think that is the extent of it. I am insanely envious of his range set up.

Guess my main compliment with his review was the fact that he never tried the Smith automatics ever and a ton of other guns are hea

Hickok45 is an enabler!

I do not think of hickock45 as an expert, rather as a gun enthousiast, and I do like his channel. Harsh on the 4006??? I really disagree. the most negative he found to say was the gun's weight, (and it is true with todays standards), though he notes that tames recoil because of that. Also speaks of its 11 shot magazine not being up to par with modern offerings, and again he is right. He points out that it is well made, and he shoots the darn thing pretty good for something that he does not like! Also, kudos to him for having the b#lls to admit that it is his "mental block" (his words in the video 28:14) that did not try one of these all these years. And just for the record, I met lots of people back in the day, who for some allien and paradox reason had seperated pistols to colt, and revolvers to s&w, and would not change their mentality even if hell froze over!! Also, he bashes his favorite glock in the video for not having a straight backstrap. As for harsh, I should make a review and give my opinion of glocks and all the other plastic **** out there that followed. "Plastic pistols! The only good thing about them, is by throwing them in the campfire, soon and easily you make them disappear from the face of the earth, making this a beautiful planet all over again!" The End! Hahahahaha!!! That, my friends would be harsh!!! :-)

I make spending money in my back yard, or patio, making holsters for people. It's kind of fun and relaxing. Here's my "shop" below. Do people subscribe to Hickok45 paying him money? I just watch it for free and consider it entertainment where you can also learn stuff from. He sure enjoys himself and if he can make $ doing that, that's great. He seems to get tons of ammo for free. I'd love that. And I wish people would pay to watch me make holsters but that would be pretty boring.

There are youtube experts that give advice on making holsters, as well as reviews on holsters. I guess I upset yet another Hickok fan, I personally have nothing against him, but he is an entertainer. I would not buy a gun on any youtube expert advice, nor a holster. In fact being the owner of two serpa holsters I actually ignore the tacticool youtube crowd advice.

Oh snap!

I need to get out and stock up on popcorn for when the crew gets here.

Hearns v Hagler redux.

Before The Internet,You Tube and maybe PCs what was Hickock 45 doing when 1st,2nd and 3rd generation Smiths were being made?

Pre Polymer were You Tube celebrities of today pushing pencils or a broom someplace?

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I'm not upset. It just seemed like you were discounting him a little because he makes money playing in his back yard. Which I guess he does if people subscribe to him. Why do people do that? I see political "vloggers" asking for subscribers. Maybe hickok does too and I didn't notice. I wouldn't buy a gun because he or someone else likes it. You Tube is great, though, for instant instructions like putting up ceiling sheet rock or how to split bricks evenly which I've utilized before.

Like I was said could not believe he had never reviewed a Smith automatic pistols. Most 1911's are as heavy as Smith and a ton of other makes of autos have slide mounted safety such as Beretta 92. I love to watch Hickcock45 and have been looking for one of his reviews for a long time for Smith automatic I was beginning to think that they were to old not that he had no interest in them. I am just disappointed because he didn't like them he would never review them. They have been around for a ?on

Meant to say been around for a long time

Let me list the guns I bought after watching Hickok.
10 mm Glock
629 4"
Marlin 1894
PMR 30
69 2.75"
Oh yes, he can shoot. We have a steel range at the gun club and while I can ring the plates Hickok does it at about 3x my speed. Nevermind the long range handgun shots he can do.

Edit- I have no interest in 1911s or HiPowers.

Listing the guns I have bought after watching Hickok45.

I know he's always saying great things about Glocks and seems to have every version out there. They might be the greatest defense guns in the world and I wouldn't want one. I just like classic older guns, even if I'm handicapping myself. I do have one S&W auto and have flirted with ideas of selling it to finance another sixgun but don't think I ever will.

I was issued the blue version of the 39, I hated giving that gun back when I quit. As far as the slide safety? It really is not a safety but a decocker, it just happens that the FP must be blocked for it to decock. We carried them with the gun ready to fire, and only used it as a decocker.

Is "Cadillac" here used as possitive or negative means of comparison??? Of course plastic pistols and stamped steel sig p series are still around, because they cost next to nothing to produce, and sell at a premium. Machined smiths cost way more to make, but they were affordable guns. Much smaller profit margin, makes the product unwanted (for manufacture). And lets not forget politics, and the wrong decisions of the British ownership, that had the company drop the 4506 (and many others) and made bicycles and wrenches instead, per Clinton Brady protocol. The other companies played their cards better, not their products. Proof to that? Aren't still LE agencies around the globe with 3rd gems? CHP is just letting go now. :-)

Back in the day when first Police trade in guns hit gun shows and dealers had tables full dirt cheap Smiths I told my son as we walked passed with out slowing down their not 1911's so not interested. Maybe I was kinda like Hickok45 but I was not making gun reviews except to my son

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Now you have me curious! How much money does he make? Several thousand dollars a month? $80-90,000 a year? He doesn't have to work anymore because he makes so much money from You Tube reviews?!!

Just pulling your leg! How much do you suppose?
Ed

I came away from his review thinking he found a lot of positives with that gun. He said it was very shootable and well made. He said the sights were dead on. He pointed out how the weight was an advantage in absorbing recoil. He liked the trigger.

And he enjoyed shooting it.

I came away from his review, which I watched before I saw this thread, wanting to buy one!

He honestly said what he used to think about them, and then pointed out the positives. That's how I took it.

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hahahaha!!! good one!

if you like the 40, you should buy one friend!!

This might help, a youtube video on youtube videos.

Sig hasn't done stamped in a long time. The old German ones were stamped. They've been milled since being chambered in 40s&w. Started with the 228 in 40sw. Sig realized that the stamped metal slide didn't hold up well so they made a milled 228 which shortly after became the 229. Afterwards all other models went to milled.

The British company, Tomkins plc sold S&W in 2001. It ad nothing to do with Clinton. Why stop making the 4506 and the 5906 (9mm) in 1999 but continue with the 4006 till 6 years ago.


The 4006 was produced till 2011. Colorado State patrol used them till 2008.

There are agencies still with 3rd gens but that doesn't mean anything. They just keep re issuing old guns. In some parts of the world they're still issuing post WW2 era guns! Kazakhstan was still issuing the P38/P1 in 2007.

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You are correct friend. the sig sauer newer slides are machined as opposed to the older ones that only around the muzzle were machined whlie the rest was stamped and welded. However, we are talking about the past here, and I think that up until the end of the 3rd gem production, all sigs had stamped slides. As for their steel framed models, I think they are still stamped and welded. I might be wrong about the newer production though, as I consider them the least ergonomic pistols ever designed and built, so I do not follow their news. Oh, and also, did s&w change their slide manufacturing on their 40 because it di not hold up well? my point exactly! :-)

Milled Sig 229 was introduced in 1992

Since Sig doesn't import anymore (rarely) the European ones could still be stamped....I don't know. However, US has been versions have been milled for a long time now

The difference was that the 228 was designed for the 9. And it not that it wasn't capable of handling the 40, because originally that want it was. The problem was that it had faster wear

Many companies changed manufacturing to accommodate the 40 and the 10 as well. Many companies also changed manufacturing when going from the 380 to a 9.
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just the 229? just one of their models. while s&w was putting out about how many milled models at the same time in 1992? also, i heard that the model 52 went out of production because the milling machine that was involved in making it broke, and was too expensive to fix. if that is true indeed, i do not expect shields to stop being made because the molten plastic injector broke. all wors are fought over money, and all business are is about cost :-)

I once owned a Performance Center 4006 years ago and I never grew fond of it. in fact, for me it was uncomfortable to shoot. (I am left handed) So, it was sold. I enjoy Hickock45's authenticity.
I will continue to enjoy his channel and respect his views. I don't have to like or agree with anyone just to learn something useful.

I like the Smith CHP 4006 TSW and I did buy one. It's in perfect condition no scratches, run marks or holster wear. Looks unissued.

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