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Thought that I would post this 2015 article that I found - just as true today:


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Refer to the chart all the time.

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I had not seen the chart, Thank you.
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I had not seen the chart, Thank you.
I go two articles confused the chart actually comes from this article and it’s a good one too.

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The 457 is the most under rated 3rd Gen. Hands down. Essentially it is a 4513TSW without a rail. I'm on the lookout for a stainless version.
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From the article:

"Finally, Iíll admit something elseĖthese guns arenít match grade accurate."

Really? I guess it depends on what he means by "match grade." But... I haven't really noticed a big gap in accuracy between my Berettas/Sigs/3rd Gens. My 6904 always impresses me with the groups it's capable of. Same with my 1076 and 645.
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LG has a lot of good articles that forum members can appreciate. One, the ballistics testing, is a go-to article when I consider replacing my carry ammo.

https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/sel...llistic-tests/
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Except for a few PC guns, they weren't designed for match grade accuracy. That the the ones that came off the regular production line are ALMOST that accurate is one of the best features of these guns.

Accurate, reliable, not ammo fussy. Oh, and durable. We're lucky to have JohnHL, Fastbolt, and others who can guide us on the few maintenance and repair issues that crop up from time to time.

There's an interesting article in a recent Shooting Illustrated about "service life". The author says that most police service weapons are turned in while they still have plenty of life left in them. They aren't used by decades as are military handguns.

Some of that seems to be "planned obsolescence" because the manufacturers make sexy new guns with "advanced features" and convince LE agencies that they need them.

That's good for us, I guess.

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"Finally, Iíll admit something elseĖthese guns arenít match grade accurate."

Really? I guess it depends on what he means by "match grade." But... I haven't really noticed a big gap in accuracy between my Berettas/Sigs/3rd Gens. My 6904 always impresses me with the groups it's capable of. Same with my 1076 and 645.
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Except for a few PC guns, they weren't designed for match grade accuracy. That the the ones that came off the regular production line are ALMOST that accurate is one of the best features of these guns.
Interesting... so, would you say that other production guns (Glock, Sig, Beretta, etc.)... are?

Making that statement, Chris seemed to suggest there's something different about the 3rd gens (in terms of accuracy) vs. other mainstream guns. Obviously they're not P210s--nor does anyone expect them to be. But neither is a Beretta or a Glock.

And I agree... regardless, 3rd gens have merits in other areas where it counts. I've never had a hiccup with my 6904, 645 or 1076.
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I can't say. I've had one Sig 2340, that was okay except it was fussy about ammunition. I've had one Glock, a Mdl 23, that had decent accuracy, but was more snappy than I liked.

I will say that all of my 3rd Gens are very accurate and other than the three TSWs are all regular production.

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Interesting... so, would you say that other production guns (Glock, Sig, Beretta, etc.)... are?

Making that statement, Chris seemed to suggest there's something different about the 3rd gens (in terms of accuracy) vs. other mainstream guns. Obviously they're not P210s--nor does anyone expect them to be. But neither is a Beretta or a Glock.

And I agree... regardless, 3rd gens have merits in other areas where it counts. I've never had a hiccup with my 6904, 645 or 1076.
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All of my guns are more accurate than me, 3rd gens included. Very few shooters have the skill to demonstrate an accuracy difference among most guns. What is more important IMHO as to how well you shoot a particular gun is how well it suits your preferences in grip size, sights, trigger and weight.

Just because I may shoot one gun better than another doesn't mean it's more "accurate"...mostly I'm just more comfortable with it.
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Where can one find a copy of the chart? I'd like to keep a copy in my computer but don't know where to go to find a down loadable copy. Thanks.
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There is a notable difference between performance center pieces and regular production guns in third gens. Not so much between regular smiths and the tsw/ tactical models.

Sigs house guns are not much better than their production models.
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I have a few. My favorite is my 39-2. It is an ex FBI gun and is very accurate. Not as much so as my competition 1911s but for the barrel length and set up accuracy is very acceptable. It’s a good looker as well as a good shooter. Folks at the range have tried to buy it off me without success. Folks also don’t realize these were the first DA semiauto pistol made in USA. S&W did it right.
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I took a picture with my cell phone and printed it off on the fancy presentation computer at work. It looks pretty good.
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I don't know if people are starting to appreciate them or they are getting harder to find but I've seen the prices starting the creep up.
At a local gun show today I saw several 3rd Gens and people were asking $400-450 for them; just the gun and 1 magazine.
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I had grown weary of shooting striker fired polymers and wanted to get a DA/SA semi-auto like I had owned in the past. At one point I had a Sig P226 Sport, or Supersport or something like that.

What a beauty it was. I bought it right and sold it better to a guy who just had to have it. I made some nice dough, but regretted selling it. Still do,

Anyway, I did a little reading, okay, a lot of reading and talked to some guys I know who like the older semi-autos.

I decided a 3rd Gen. Model 915 would be just the thing.

I started out at the farthest gun store from my home and worked my way back. I hit 3 gun shops and 3 pawn shops. These guys are all pretty large dealers, lots of used firearms in stock.

In the first five stores I found one 915. It looked to be in rough shape and the kid working there wouldn't let me field strip it and he declined to do it for me. I doubt he knew how to do it. Don't think he knew how to shave either.

So at the last place, the one closest to home and the store and owner I know best, I found one in pretty nice shape and snagged it.

The point of all this is, yeah, the older ones are out there, but not like they used to be, is what some of the storeowners and workers said.

If you want one and see one a good one, maybe you better grab it. The one I got was on the bottom shelf of a case tucked away in a corner.

I have the feeling if it had a more prominent place in the showcase it would have been long gone.

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You dont see many 3rd gens coming up for sale in the gunshops anymore. Those that have them, generally, are keeping them.

In the fairly large gunshop I have worked in part time for the last 2 years, we have had only two come in. A 3913 and a 5906. Neither ever made it to a display case. One good customer who happened to be standing there when the 5906 walked in walked out with it. Another cop who works there part time snagged the 3913.

And most local shops keep a list that they call when 3rd gens wander into those stores. Thanks Gary! So those guns never make a display case either.

Great guns that were sometimes underated and mostly under appreciated. I still use them daily for serious purpose. Bet your life reliable, accurate and being they were made when gun guys and manufacturers still cared about asthetics, they look good doing all that. Regards 18DAI
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I think it's cyclical. Right now a LGS has a CS9 (black) that has been sitting for quite some time. In fact, it was there back in January (I think), when I bought my 457 from them. They also had a couple of 40xx guns, and a couple of 2nd Gens.

Yesterday, they listed a 3913, so we'll see how long that lasts. It took me over a year to sell my CA DOC 3913 on a very busy local gun forum.

The 3914 that I PMed you about a few months back finally sold about three weeks ago. That sat for a while.

There are a few 6906s floating around in other shops as well. I think a shop I've never bought from had a few 594x guns sitting in the display case. I'd have to look at their website to see if there were all stainless or allow frames.

Then there is a CS45 (black) with four 6 round and a throw in 8 round magazine on that same local gun board. It's listed at $450.00 and I'm trying hard not to start negotiating for it.

The 3rd Gens that seem to go fastest right now are the 457.

Of course it's likely also regional. Since we can't bring "off roster" guns into MA, we have to be sharp eyed and expect to pay a premium. You should see what the few available Glocks go for!

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In the fairly large gunshop I have worked in part time for the last 2 years, we have had only two come in. A 3913 and a 5906. Neither ever made it to a display case. One good customer who happened to be standing there when the 5906 walked in walked out with it. Another cop who works there part time snagged the 3913.

And most local shops keep a list that they call when 3rd gens wander into those stores. Thanks Gary! So those guns never make a display case either.

Great guns that were sometimes underated and mostly under appreciated. I still use them daily for serious purpose. Bet your life reliable, accurate and being they were made when gun guys and manufacturers still cared about asthetics, they look good doing all that. Regards 18DAI
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I just absolutely dig the S&W 3gen. Easy to shoot and keep on target for speed and tactical drills. The CHP tsw .40 rocks and just scored a like new 5906tsw . Ill run the 5906tsw and my USP.40 trough the drills at Fox Valley tech
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