Shorty 40 update price / value check

[spistols]

Found a Shorty 40, with an original PC box but no stickers on the box. Has 3 PC mags (round logo), two of which are yellow followers and one is blue.

Comes with all documents. It not marked Mark anything, and if I remember the serial number is in the 2XX range. Gun is in excellent condition.

What is a 2018 honest fair value price?

[Stentor]

There were several different versions of Shorty 40s--do you know the model number of the specific pistol at which you're looking?

A quick scan of completed auctions on Gunbroker will give you a solid idea of a price range.

[vigil617]

For some odd reason -- perhaps the numbers made compared to other calibers, or perhaps that 40S&W doesn't seem to be a widely desired caliber anymore (no offense to those who like and prefer it) -- Shorty 40s even in excellent or NIB condition don't bring near what Shorty 45s or Shorty 9s do. Not that long ago, prices north of $1K were asked and answered; nowadays, it seems getting $700 to $800 is about all one can expect. I do remember at Shorty 40 2000 model -- a rare bird -- bringing good money at a recent auction, but overall, the "Mark 1 and 2" and Mark 3 guns are, IMHO, undervalued for the quality that they represent. I have owned two, and both were superb. They now are an opportunity to own a PC classic for little if any more than some of the nicer TSW guns are bringing in their calibers.

[TTSH]

Originally Posted by vigil617

For some odd reason -- perhaps the numbers made compared to other calibers, or perhaps that 40S&W doesn't seem to be a widely desired caliber anymore (no offense to those who like and prefer it) -- Shorty 40s even in excellent or NIB condition don't bring near what Shorty 45s or Shorty 9s do. Not that long ago, prices north of $1K were asked and answered; nowadays, it seems getting $700 to $800 is about all one can expect. I do remember at Shorty 40 2000 model -- a rare bird -- bringing good money at a recent auction, but overall, the "Mark 1 and 2" and Mark 3 guns are, IMHO, undervalued for the quality that they represent. I have owned two, and both were superb. They now are an opportunity to own a PC classic for little if any more than some of the nicer TSW guns are bringing in their calibers.

Exactly right. The only PC guns I routinely (i.e., rarely, but regularly) see around here are Shorty .40 variants. In primo condition, as most used PC guns should be, I see them for $799 to $999 tagged price (higher for guns with their original factory box, extra mags, etc.). The Mk III is generally the highest priced Shorty .40, typically $899ish+Tax, but I've also seen as high as $999+Tax. One recent no-box Shorty .40 (not a Mk III) started at $1,000, dropped to $800 and then dropped again to between $600 and $700 (can't remember exactly) before it sold.

[BAM-BAM]

The .40 S&W was the new hot caliber in the mid-90s; when IMHO the PC was making their best guns........9mm and .45s were being thought of/ written about as has been cartridges.

My "guess" is there were way more .40s made than either 9 or .45s.

When the PC made the SD guns (Stocking Dealer) in 1994/95.... IIRC there were about/or less than 100 built in .356S&W; 179 in 9mm and with between 220 and 300 in .40.

SCS&W 4th lists PC Shorty9s as PVC 0001-0611...... only 611 made???

[James&theGiant1911]

IMO and granted I have not tried to sell one but a pristine shorty 40 can potentially bring 1800-2200 dollars. That is all original box papers mags and billboards in excellent condition no fading.

Of course I have seen a pre rail 3913 tsw sell for 1300 all original, in that condition depending on the billboard conditions and such. Can not speak on the 45 or 9 mms,

[b_san]

Originally Posted by James&theGiant1911

IMO and granted I have not tried to sell one but a pristine shorty 40 can potentially bring 1800-2200 dollars. That is all original box papers mags and billboards in excellent condition no fading.

There's absolutely 0 chance a Shorty 40 sells for 1800+ in todays market. They were ~$1400 guns for a short while a year or 2 ago but, due to a combination of so many being made compared to other PC guns and the relative lack of interest in .40S&W at this time, pristine examples with box/label have been bringing in $750-1000 lately with the average being around $900. Without a box or missing the label they are selling for even less, ~$6-700.

[James&theGiant1911]

Originally Posted by b_san

There's absolutely 0 chance a Shorty 40 sells for 1800+ in todays market. They were ~$1400 guns for a short while a year or 2 ago but, due to a combination of so many being made compared to other PC guns and the relative lack of interest in .40S&W at this time, pristine examples with box/label have been bringing in $750-1000 lately with the average being around $900. Without a box or missing the label they are selling for even less, ~$6-700.

Okay since you know it all, and was probably one of the ones which flamed my 1100 dollar 3913 tsw pre rail which I sold for more than that on the auction site. I said what I would sell my mint Shorty 40 for not what you hoped to buy a used, holster worn example. No doubt in my mind that my Shorty 40 would go for 1800+ but it is a 97-99% example not your run of the mill Shorty 40. Condition is every thing in the collector world works for classic cars, watches, etc. Never seen a Shorty 40 sell for 600-700 dollars since they were more than that new in the 90s.

Granted I would not pay that much for it even a Shorty 45 over 2 grand. That gets into Wilson and Nighthawk territory and they are both better 45s than anything coming out of the PC.

[Sevens]

There was ONE rare color combination of Shorty 40 that sold for TWICE the typical market a couple months ago and it was a statistical anomaly.

Off base, nowhere near reality and not backed up by the market to suggest that Shorty 40's go for $1800-$2200.

No offense... but just like last time, you'll take this all personally and you'll find yourself offended again, but the market decides these things... not gut feelings and wild opinions.

[James&theGiant1911]

Originally Posted by Sevens

There was ONE rare color combination of Shorty 40 that sold for TWICE the typical market a couple months ago and it was a statistical anomaly.

Off base, nowhere near reality and not backed up by the market to suggest that Shorty 40's go for $1800-$2200.

No offense... but just like last time, you'll take this all personally and you'll find yourself offended again, but the market decides these things... not gut feelings and wild opinions.

I am not offended nor do I care, but you all are wrong. I know what my firearms are worth not what yours are worth or what you hope to buy one for. The market dictates value so I just told you what I would sell mine for not what you would sell yours for. A no original box or papers very used shorty 40 is a 700-1000 dollar gun I do not disagree. However, collectors will pay for all original pieces complete with box and paperwork and it is more than the figures you all have throw around. I have noticed a funny thing about this site, y’all tend to flame those which ask higher than what the local beater price should be and then complain when those pieces bring more than you think they should. Originality is what helps value and condition plays a large part in that.

[b_san]

Originally Posted by James&theGiant1911

Okay since you know it all, and was probably one of the ones which flamed my 1100 dollar 3913 tsw pre rail which I sold for more than that on the auction site. I said what I would sell my mint Shorty 40 for not what you hoped to buy a used, holster worn example. No doubt in my mind that my Shorty 40 would go for 1800+ but it is a 97-99% example not your run of the mill Shorty 40. Condition is every thing in the collector world works for classic cars, watches, etc. Never seen a Shorty 40 sell for 600-700 dollars since they were more than that new in the 90s.

Granted I would not pay that much for it even a Shorty 45 over 2 grand. That gets into Wilson and Nighthawk territory and they are both better 45s than anything coming out of the PC.

Here is the least expensive complete w/label Shorty 40 sold in the past 3 months

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/767968109

and the most expensive in the past 3 months (not including the MK2 that was sent back for a refinish to resemble a 356TSW with an additional 9mm barrel).

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/757639713

Also here is an average priced one all in similar 97+% condition with label from a seller who gets top dollar.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/761585099

Unfortunately the reality is that market for Shorty 40s is dead.

[James&theGiant1911]

Again the reality is I sold my pre rail 3913 TSW for 200 dollars more than I had it on this very site. I could care less if the Shorty 40 market is whatever, mine is not for sale. Again, I will stand by my statement and you and whomever can take it for what it is worth. A pristine condition Shorty 40 will bring 1800-2200 as has been done before and will be done again on any number of auction sites. I did not think you could link in auction sites to this forum anyway since it is against the rules. The examples you shown had significant wear marks on them.

The OP asked what an honest fair price for that gun is and we all agree not original box with original serial numbers and holster wear equals a 700-1000 gun. The part I think you all fail to realize is that there is a difference between mint and worn condition. Again, condition is everything I do not care if the Shorty 40 market is dead. Regardless the value for MINT pristine guns in LNIB condition is much higher than what the market dictates.

[toddcfii]

Originally Posted by James&theGiant1911

I am not offended nor do I care, but you all are wrong. I know what my firearms are worth not what yours are worth or what you hope to buy one for. The market dictates value so I just told you what I would sell mine for not what you would sell yours for. A no original box or papers very used shorty 40 is a 700-1000 dollar gun I do not disagree. However, collectors will pay for all original pieces complete with box and paperwork and it is more than the figures you all have throw around. I have noticed a funny thing about this site, y’all tend to flame those which ask higher than what the local beater price should be and then complain when those pieces bring more than you think they should. Originality is what helps value and condition plays a large part in that.

The market is what people will pay not what you ask for your gun or would ask. Did you even look at the links on gunbroker? All really nice pieces going for about half of what you think yours is worth. Of course it is your gun and you can ask whatever you want but that is not the market.

[James&theGiant1911]

Originally Posted by toddcfii

The market is what people will pay not what you ask for your gun or would ask. Did you get ben look at the links on gunbroker? All really nice pieces going for about half of what you think yours is worth. Of course it is your gun and you can ask whatever you want but that is not the market.

Evidently it is the market or I found a buyer. Either way I will never try and sell a gun here again since it resulted in multiple bans and just got out of hand. The market is the market I found a market so therefore I set the market and the type of guns I have tend to do just that. Thanks and happy shooting

[jjbrewst1]

I’ve sold 4 in the last 3 months on Gunbroker. I’m a top 100 seller. The highest went a tad over 1000 the other 3 sold for under 1000. Other sellers have been averaging around 750-850 tops.

Sorry but the market has tanked for awhile on these. And it’s too bad. If any one wants to verify my credentials. sarah15 on Gunbroker.

[toddcfii]

Originally Posted by James&theGiant1911

Again the reality is I sold my pre rail 3913 TSW for 200 dollars more than I had it on this very site. I could care less if the Shorty 40 market is whatever, mine is not for sale. Again, I will stand by my statement and you and whomever can take it for what it is worth. A pristine condition Shorty 40 will bring 1800-2200 as has been done before and will be done again on any number of auction sites. I did not think you could link in auction sites to this forum anyway since it is against the rules. The examples you shown had significant wear marks on them.

The OP asked what an honest fair price for that gun is and we all agree not original box with original serial numbers and holster wear equals a 700-1000 gun. The part I think you all fail to realize is that there is a difference between mint and worn condition. Again, condition is everything I do not care if the Shorty 40 market is dead. Regardless the value for MINT pristine guns in LNIB condition is much higher than what the market dictates.

I think you are having a different conversation than the rest of us. We are not telling you what you would sell your Shorty 40 for. That could be one million dollars. What we are saying is what the market will bear. Also I do not agree with your “everybody agrees that a holster worn specimen would go for $700 a $1000”. I think the market says that will go for no higher than $700. A pristine but fired one will go for around $1000 and an NIB one will probably bring $1500 based on comparing to other NIB PC guns versus pristine ones. If you have an NIB one then $1600 might be there (doubt it) but no way $2000 for any catalogued Shorty 40 in any condition.

By the way I am glad you got more for your TSW than you had it for sale for here on this website. But it does not surprise me. This website is a very small market.

[James&theGiant1911]

Originally Posted by toddcfii

I think you are having a different conversation than the rest of us. We are not telling you what you would sell your Shorty 40 for. That could be one million dollars. What we are saying is what the market will bear. Also I do not agree with your “everybody agrees that a holster worn specimen would go for $700 a $1000”. I think the market says that will go for no higher than $700. A pristine but fired one will go for around $1000 and an NIB one will probably bring $1500 based on comparing to other NIB PC guns versus pristine ones. If you have an NIB one then your $1800 might be there (don’t it) but no way $2000 for any catalogued Shorty 40 in any condition.

Well the market for my pre rail pristine 3913 tsw bore evidence that there is a market for what I sold it for. The shorty 40 in nib condition has been listed for 2200, the market bares what the market bares but to say that they would never sell for that is wrong, they do sell for that and have sold for that.

[jjbrewst1]

Originally Posted by James&theGiant1911

Well the market for my pre rail pristine 3913 tsw bore evidence that there is a market for what I sold it for. The shorty 40 in nib condition has been listed for 2200, the market bares what the market bares but to say that they would never sell for that is wrong, they do sell for that and have sold for that.

A 3913 is a 9mm. Not even a fair comparison. A shorty 40 will not bring 2200 anymore. It just won’t.

I showed above what the market is bringing. LNIB Guns are selling for 900-1100. The proof is on the auctions. Do I hope they get back up to 1500+. Yes.

Now shorty 9’s and shorty 45’s yes. They bring 1700-2200. Maybe you have those mistaken with the 40’s.

[James&theGiant1911]

Originally Posted by jjbrewst1

A 3913 is a 9mm. Not even a fair comparison. A shorty 40 will not bring 2200 anymore. It just won’t.

I showed above what the market is bringing. LNIB Guns are selling for 900-1100. The proof is on the auctions. Do I hope they get back up to 1500+. Yes.

Now shorty 9’s and shorty 45’s yes. They bring 1700-2200. Maybe you have those mistaken with the 40’s.

Several were listed at 2200, but I said they would bring at least 1800. I don’t buy and sell guns I keep them usually except for the 9mm third gens as I’m not a fan. I ccw a springfield Xmd 40 right now so I am a big fan of th sig 357 and the 40 hollow points. The 9mm is a little weak for my liking but I do carry a 380 acp as a back up. I do have a few 9mm but they are the lite sig 228 and a hi power browning. As far as 45 goes nighthawk and Wilson make superior 1911 commanders which are significantly better than the pc 45s.

Either way the shorty 40 is probably smiths best 40 caliber ever. They are soooo smooth, and I like them a lot. So if the op can pick up a nice shooter for 700-1000 then i5 is worth it.

[okiegtrider]

This thread took a strange turn.

[Sevens]

Two more Shorty 40 sold on Gunbroker last week, both were full kit -- original box and magazines. Both were the very attractive Mk3s version. $765 and $819.

Both sold by elite, high feedback rock solid sellers.

Guns are offered, bought and sold in many venues. There currently exists no single venue that offers and sells as many/more Performance Center semiautomatic pistols than does Gunbroker.

[nocents]

Originally Posted by James&theGiant1911

................. and I like them a lot. ..................

James do you think this may be your rationale for your perceived value?...............just sayin'

[James&theGiant1911]

Originally Posted by nocents

James do you think this may be your rationale for your perceived value?...............just sayin'

Probably so, as in I perceive my guns to be more valuable to me than the actual market reflects thus resulting in over value on my part.

Maybe so.....

[Big Shrek]

Thing is, .40's are on a downturn currently, and probably for the next couple years.
Once Anti-gun politics take over, and they start slapping out round restriction laws like 10 rounds or less per mag,
.40's will come back swinging...because of simple math.

The '95 AWB helped to create the high demand for .40 as it is more powerful than 9mm,
and you can stick more in the same size gun than .45, so it's a great split of the differences
between 9mm & .45acp
Currently being able to have Compact 9mm's with 17+ round mags makes 9mm kinda worthwhile...
and being able to have 14-rd .45acp makes them more worthwhile...
so .40 is now the odd gawky teen at the dance...or a Taint, depending on your view.
(T'aint one or the other, right in the middle)

Just wait, it'll come back around.
Meanwhile, anyone selling a .40 right now can expect HALF the normal going rate.
That's just the way it goes...It's an FBI disavowed caliber...
might as well be .223 Fireball for market purposes.
Give it 5-10 years, it'll be right back to max levels.

[nocents]

Originally Posted by Big Shrek

Thing is, .40's are on a downturn currently, and probably for the next couple years.
Once Anti-gun politics take over, and they start slapping out round restriction laws like 10 rounds or less per mag,
.40's will come back swinging...because of simple math.

The '95 AWB helped to create the high demand for .40 as it is more powerful than 9mm,
and you can stick more in the same size gun than .45, so it's a great split of the differences
between 9mm & .45acp
Currently being able to have Compact 9mm's with 17+ round mags makes 9mm kinda worthwhile...
and being able to have 14-rd .45acp makes them more worthwhile...
so .40 is now the odd gawky teen at the dance...or a Taint, depending on your view.
(T'aint one or the other, right in the middle)

Just wait, it'll come back around.
Meanwhile, anyone selling a .40 right now can expect HALF the normal going rate.
That's just the way it goes...It's an FBI disavowed caliber...
might as well be .223 Fireball for market purposes.
Give it 5-10 years, it'll be right back to max levels.

this makes sense.....I may rethink .40 since the only experience I can recall shooting one were my buddies Taurus Miilenial models and they sucked so bad it was a twofer.....NO Taurus and NO .40's

[spistols]

Can anyone direct me to either a thread here, or elsewhere, on the different variations and production numbers of the Shorty 40?

I see in one of the spreadsheets, the Shorty 40, the Shorty 40 MK2, Shorty 40 MK3, and the Shorty 40 MK3S.

I just picked up the Shorty 40 in question above, in Excellent condition, box and 3 PC mags. However, the box does not have the original label, but the box is marked Performance Center.

The serial is PCS03XX. I cannot find anything to define that serial number.

Any help is appreciated.

[Stentor]

Originally Posted by spistols

Can anyone direct me to either a thread here, or elsewhere, on the different variations and production numbers of the Shorty 40?

I see in one of the spreadsheets, the Shorty 40, the Shorty 40 MK2, Shorty 40 MK3, and the Shorty 40 MK3S.

I just picked up the Shorty 40 in question above, in Excellent condition, box and 3 PC mags. However, the box does not have the original label, but the box is marked Performance Center.

The serial is PCS03XX. I cannot find anything to define that serial number.

Any help is appreciated.

It sounds like you might have picked up a 4006 Shorty Forty.

• Code 170011
• Made in 1992, 1993, and 1995 (roughly 500 in each run--so yours was likely made in '92)
• Total of 1583 made

Post pics if you get a chance.

[Big Shrek]

Originally Posted by nocents

this makes sense.....I may rethink .40 since the only experience I can recall shooting one were my buddies Taurus Miilenial models and they sucked so bad it was a twofer.....NO Taurus and NO .40's

Now's actually the time to BUY .40's
With all those agencies turning 'em in, and whatnot...deals are definitely out there!!!

But if you don't like Snappy, the Hogue grips soak recoil nicely.
Which is why the CS40 rocks so much

Another Non-snappy alternative is the Star Ultrastar model 205 in .40S&W.
At first it looks like any other plastic fantastic, but Star did a few things differently
than everyone else...one is the Internal Frame...steel under the plastic...
second is the slide & spring...little bitty slide and a proper spring made for a VERY soft shooter
Only downside is that the mags for it in .40 are a HARD thing to find...
nobody wants to let 'em go, and they ceased production in 1998

[James&theGiant1911]

The Shorty 40 is not snappy at all, and I don't buy guns based on anybody's opinion on them but my own. I live in a gun friendly state and carry a XDM Springfield in 40 right now with a laser sight and 16 round mags. Can not imagine a situation where I would ever use that many but you never know.

I shoot a lot of 9mms since the ammo is cheap but I also enjoy shooting the 357 Sig and 40 calibers either one being better than a 9mm even in +P. So, while everyone has there own valuable opinion of the subject, mine is the other thing that matters to me when I carry a firearm.

[spistols]

Here is the Shorty 40 I picked up, which prompted me to start this whole post. It seems like based on the serial number and characteristics, it is one of the ones made in the first batch of 500, of originally @ 1500+. Came with all documents, 3 PC mags- although one has a different follower, and a blue Performance Center stamped case, but NO label on the box.

[vigil617]

There was a good discussion of Shorty 40s in this thread a while back: Shorty 40 PC 4006

It included some good information on the seldom-seen Shorty 40 "Mark 2," which never went by that name but was definitely a different animal than the 1,500 or so original-series Shorty 40s, and preceded the Mark 3 guns and the similarly seldom seen Shorty 40 2000 model. The SPC prefix on those is the easiest way to recognize the Mark 2 guns, but take a look at the photos of the Mark 2's on the thread and see what they look like.

[spistols]

Based on the thread you linked, mine is the 1st Gen Shorty Forty, correct?

[VTHokiesDuckHunter]

I saw a mint 4013 TSW with original box go for $369 the other day on one of the main auction sites. (I have a screen shot of it).

2 of my favorite 3rd Gens are .40 S&W’s. Both are 4014’s.

One is NIB in the gun Safe. The other one has been my daily carry gun for about 5 years. Bought it LNIB for about $500 and it now has maybe 3,000 rounds through it, with a little holster wear. I wouldn’t want to sell either one.

But James, you’re missing the point and needlessly getting pissed off at some good comments here.

Right now, it’s a buyers market for .40’s. Great for me, as a I plan to buy a CS40, Shorty 40, and a 4013 TSW.

If you don’t want to sell a gun - then don’t. The value of them however is based on CURRENT market prices.

I’m not a huge .380 fan but have been looking for a mint/LNIB SIG P232. These go for a lot more than most other .380’s.

If you want to really argue market prices - why is an FN 57 selling for a usual price of $1200 plus?

I have a Browning Pro-40 (an FNP 40 branded for their sister company Browning). It’s an awesome DA/SA high capacity .40 with a hammer and de-cocker. Every bit as engineered and well made as an FN-57 but worth maybe half as much.

You could bitch all you want but a 5-7 will cost you a lot more than a comparible FN pistol in any other caliber.

I’ve got many of the major calibers in handguns, and fortunately for me I really like the .40 S&W. There are some deals on these right now.

[James&theGiant1911]

Why does everyone here think I’m pissed, I am not. Other than the people like yourselves that probably would have said the same thing about my pre rail 3913 tsw. If I sold my shorty 40 it would go on an auction site for 1850 and within two months I would have iit sold. I’m right and know I could sell it for that, then I could come back here and say I did it. Don’t care to as my gun is not for sale. Y’all guys think y’all know it all which y’all, while all good fellas, are bargain hunters. I feel more confident in selling the shorty 40 for 1850 than I would my 1 of 100 guns and ammo nighthawk, I would be lucky to get 80-90 percent of retail on that piece.

[4T5GUY]

I'm FINALLY gonna say something. Probably gonna get an infraction, (or banishment,) for belittlement, or harassment, but...

GEEZE, just look at all your posts. Read them. You ALWAYS get P.O.ed. when ANYONE disagrees. Learn how to read and write, and express yourself. I DO appreciate your input, but you almost always become combative and argumentative when you disagree with any input that you do not agree with. I expect it, and wait for it.

Jim

[vigil617]

Originally Posted by spistols

Based on the thread you linked, mine is the 1st Gen Shorty Forty, correct?

Yours shows every indication of being in the first of the series of Shorty 40s, having its PCS prefix and in the configuration shown in your photos, yes. And I agree with you that within that first series, yours with its 03xx serial number, was in the first group of 500. So what you have is a fine example of the Performance Center's initial foray into the compact semi-auto business, at a time when the guns were being hand-crafted by talented professionals. That's another reason why what they are selling for right now makes them undervalued and a great bargain.

[vigil617]

Originally Posted by James&theGiant1911

Why does everyone here think I’m pissed, I am not. Other than the people like yourselves that probably would have said the same thing about my pre rail 3913 tsw. If I sold my shorty 40 it would go on an auction site for 1850 and within two months I would have iit sold. I’m right and know I could sell it for that, then I could come back here and say I did it. Don’t care to as my gun is not for sale. Y’all guys think y’all know it all which y’all, while all good fellas, are bargain hunters. I feel more confident in selling the shorty 40 for 1850 than I would my 1 of 100 guns and ammo nighthawk, I would be lucky to get 80-90 percent of retail on that piece.

James, I realize your Shorty 40 isn't for sale, and that you think highly of it, as you should. Here's an interesting link to the Gunbroker auctions over the past three months for Shorty 40 guns, including the ones with guns that didn't sell, or haven't yet sold. Especially interesting is the one that started out at almost $2,200, reduced to $1,800, then to $1,550, and still hasn't sold.

Compared to the others that have sold (excluding that beautiful customized, refinished gun that went for over $2,500 with a spare fitted slide and 9mm barrel), it's pretty clear what the market on Shorty 40s is right now. https://www.gunbroker.com/Semi-Auto-...frame=1&Sort=1

Not trying to convince you. I don't think there's much future in that. But it's interesting information nevertheless.

[vigil617]

spistols, I just gotta ask:

You started the thread, asked for feedback, got several responses, asked another question requesting additional specific information, received several replies, and after all that...

not a single like from you in the whole thread.

What's up with that?

[spistols]

Don't have a good answer other than I am not a facebook guy and don't "like" much, for the sake of just posting likes. I only like stuff mainly to bookmark the post/thread, because it is easier for me to find it again vs. looking at all of my previous posts.

But I am a man of change.

[vigil617]

Fair enough.

I wasn't fishing for likes, and some of the posts here are equally or more like-worthy, but I appreciate your acknowledgements on my posts.

I'm not a Facebook guy either.