You also got to prove that the performance of my CS9 is thanks to the user, not the gun; giving new emphasis to my credo,

If you can't hit the target...

get a bigger target.

Thanks for everything today Jeppo! Enjoyed talking to you and shooting with you!

Those little guns are just harder to shoot well. I always have to focus on all the basics when shooting them.

You are a good shot. I wouldnt want you shooting at me, especially with that P30!

The Chiefs Special just takes a little getting use to and a bunch of practice. Just like the J-frames that preceded them. Thanks again! Regards 18DAI

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Tell me I don't need this:

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/778709238

The seller lives in my town and it would be an all too easy transaction.

I'm going to make the most generous offer of my life that will save you at least $500.

Send me $100 and I'll make that gun disappear.

The CS9 in the linked pic appears to be one the later production models (like mine).

The price is what it is, because it's not like they're making any more of them.

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Offer him $600 cash to end the listing and go get it


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Or, spend around $300 to $350 for a used one off the big auction board. Refurbish and deep clean it. Then shoot the hell out of it and carry it guilt free. Regards 18DAI

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you don't need that..............question is do you want it?

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SOLD: $631.99...and it wasn't me.

Wow!!! Nice gun for sure, but that is a boatload of money. And that's especially true after adding in shipping & transfer fees.

Hmmm. I think I better call my insurance agent tomorrow and have him raise the limit on my firearms coverage.

I'd agree, that's quite a bit for a CS9. Congrats to the seller on that auction.

I've never paid over $500 for any of my CS9's, and actually just picked one up for under $400 (there's plenty of LEO trade-in CS9's on the net right now).

TercGen...can you post a link re the leo cs9's?

Sorry, forum rules don't allow linking live auctions. I will say that the rash of used CS9's on Gunbroker are apparently LEO trade-ins with dim/dead Novak-style factory night sights. One seller in particular has been starting the auctions for these out at a very low price - $250 - and seems to have a number of them.

It is with great sadness that I must report Tucker Gunleather has lost the form for the CS9, so I can’t get the rough side out leather I wanted


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Why thanks 18DAI! You had to go present another convincing write up.. great job, I had to go buy one! As if I needed another gen3, are there any gen3 anonymous forums?! Now please tell me more about the TercGen grip, is it thinner and less sticky? How does one go about getting one?

VERY THIN! Not sticky, not too slick. Just right!

The TercGen grip is what the CS9 should have come with originally. With it, I think the CS9 would have been even more popular.

Using a TercGen grip and a flat, rounded 3913TSW baseplate on the mag, I can pocket carry the CS9.

NDFRC you are really going to like the CS9. And with a TercGen grip, you are going to LOVE the CS9! Regards 18DAI

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Hey TercGen, are you the source for the grips 18DAI speaks of?

Yes, I do make these grips for folks as a side hobby from time to time still. Check your email for more information.

Has anyone changed their CS9 factory sights out? I would like to change the sights out on mine. Trijicon has been the only brand that I've came across. Looking to see what other options are out there, if any. Thanks

changed mine out to trijicon...like them....only ones i could find to fit also

Mine are so close to dead that I can hardly see them. 18DAI mentioned relamping may be possible but I haven't had time to check.

Trijicon will relamp them for around $75. Contact them for availability and pricing. Regards 18DAI

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Changed my factory sights out for Trijicon night sights.

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Don’t forget about the ol’ Big Dot setup, which I think is ideal for little guns like the CS9. Mine came with Trijicon night sights, but I’d trade for these in a heartbeat
XS Sight Systems, Inc. - Products - 4006, 5903, 5906, 3913, Chief Special 9mm


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I thought that the Value Line guns had different dovetails? Or was that just for the rear sight?

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Same dovetails, just the heights are different as far as I know


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Thanks for the great review as always. Like Bam Bam I don't like them as much as the 3913NL or my 4513TSW 6 round. But if we all liked the same thing...
Now I have a couple CS 9s and 45s and I have to thank you for our contribution as I believe if I wanted to sell them (I don't) there value just increased!!

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Thank you my friend!

As to the preference for the 6-round 4513TSW, I agree with you. Strongly! But - if the CS45 winds up in an evidence locker, I really wont care. I would miss the 4513TSW.

Now the little CS9 is a different story. I really like this little gun. And you cant beat it when its hot out and you really dont want to carry a heavy full size gun, or cant dress around one. Fills a niche, for me. Best regards, 18DAI

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My little CS9 just puts a smile on my face whenever I take it to the range. Never had so much fun trying to master the draw to DA to SA transition. Today I got a solid fist size group center mass at 21 ft. on a 3 shot draw. I want to practice every day honestly, to see just how well I can meld man and machine with this one. I can only get out to shoot about once per week tho. The CS9 pushes straight back into my palm with this custom grip. I can’t ask for a more perfect carry piece right now. Although I’ve got my eye out for a 4040pd now 🧐

Yup, she’s the only gun I brought today. She gets all my attention lately



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I have one in 45ACP and one in 40 S&W. I sort of keep my eyes open for one in 9mm so I can have three little chiefs.

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The front sight of many of the Value Line Series is different, with a wide, thin sight base (908/910/457). The CS Series uses the normal dovetails for the front and rear sights, but the rear sights ride on top of the slide instead of having a milled out area in the rear.

So what is the difference between the "S" "C" and "D" models?

A follow up question what, if any, difference is there in the recoil springs?

Here are my choices in springs:

Smith & Wesson Recoil Spring Inside S&W CS40C, CS40D, CS40S, CS45C, CS45D, CS45S, CS9D

----OR-----

Smith & Wesson Recoil Spring S&W CS9C, CS9S

What makes the "D" take the same spring as the .40 and .45 ?

I realize that at least 1 major vendor seems to sometimes mix these things up, but the CS guns only have 2 recoil springs, and they're broken down by caliber.

The 9mm models, meaning all versions (C, S & D models,) use a red spring, SW factory part number #26321000.

The .45/.40 models use the same green spring, S&W factory part number 26331000. Yes, the factory parts list will add the description "inside" after "recoil spring", even though there's only ONE recoil spring (and not a nested pair like the inside/outside recoil springs used for the compact .40/.45's).

I remember asking a couple of the factory LE parts/support guys why they were listed that way, and they basically just sighed and said that somebody else wrote the parts lists and sometimes things slipped by the editing. (Much the same explanation I used to receive when asking about reversed pics or typos in armorer manuals, comes to that. )

If you get a red CS recoil spring, it's for the CS9, and if you get a green CS recoil spring, it's for the CS45/40's.

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http://smith-wessonforum.com/140427767-post2.html

Thanks to you both, that clears it up.

So what about the different model designations?

"C" Carbon Steel slide with black anodized alloy frame.
"S" Stainless Steel slide with silver anodized alloy frame.
"D" Double Action Only Carbon Slide with black anodized allow frame.

As far as I know the "D" is the only one with the letter stamped on the frame. My stainless gun only says CS9 on it.

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My CS9D has the stainless steel slide and silver anodized alloy frame.

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I've never heard of one of those. You really need to post a picture. There's a rule or something.

Seriously, I never knew that there was stainless version.

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Here’s one.

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Some of the CS series were available in a handsome two-tone variety. My CS40 in two-tone and sporting Big Dog grips.

My current compact 9mm is a 908S, but I've been thinking about and halfway looking for a CS9.

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I should have known! TTSH is right about. You're a 3rd Gen vacuum.

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Like I've always said: Beware of the Jeppo!

But I beat him to a sweet "ANIB" Model 6946 today! Thank God there was no way for him to know about it!

You did what??????

Yep. I went back to a little shop in CT where I had picked up a 457S previously (16 months ago) and had found an ANIB 6946 that was wildly over-priced. The problem was the the shop owner had over-paid for it, but he felt he could still make money on it.

Fast forward to today and I was back in the area, so I stopped by. Bottom line is that he had given up on the big profit and was ready to deal. I made my offer and he accepted.

It was no bargain, but you know that I love these DAO 3900-series and 6900-series guns, especially when ANIB.

So now my Python and my pre-lock Model 19-something dreams are back on hold. Time to sell more plastic guns!

Good thread.....
When my agency left the M1076 about 1999, it was replaced by two models, the M4566 for uniform and the CS45 for Investigations.
I was in the latter at the time and had good results from the CS45 and my scores were always high-90's to 100.
It was never comfortable to me though. Chunky-squarish, and having large hands it just never felt right.
My last few years before retirement I went back to a Field Op support role and knowing I'd get whatever I was issued given to me at retirement, I gave up the CS for a new 4566.
The 4566 has always been 100% also and shot it as well, if not a little better.

Within about 6 months of my retirement in 2008 they adopted the M&P .45.

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I dithered on an instate 6046 until someone else grabbed it. I like the DAO configuration, but wasn't sure I wanted another range/safe gun.

Oh well, I hope something nice comes along at that shop north of Boston in time for tax free weekend.

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Unfortunately, the local pickins are mighty picked over these days. Not much interesting out there as of today. The "good stuff at good prices" disappears awfully fast. There is that NIB Model 411, but the tagged price is too high to justify. I did find an old .32 Hand Ejector out in Brookfield that I need to research, but I won't have time before tax-free weekend rolls around. I keep hoping a sweet 4" pre-lock Model 19-something appears in time, but that is highly unlikely.

Well, over a year since I posted this thread, I am still using my CS9s. In fact, I am getting ready to upgrade the sights on my early production black CS9.

My stainless CS9 still gets carried a lot. Especially when its miserably hot and humid.

But with the inclusion of the TercGen grips and suitable carry gear, my CS45 gets carried more often than the CS9s. My preference for 45 as my chosen defensive round figures into the equation as well. Yes, the 9mm is deadly again - according to the Famous But Incompetent - but the laws of physics are immutable.

The CS45 and I had a rough start and I almost sold it a couple of times. But thanks largely to TercGen, it has become my most carried gun over the last 18 months. Regards 18DAI

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I sent my CS9 off to BMCM to work his magic . Went through and changed the sights . I couldn't believe it the first time I shot it , that thing is magic . It'll outshoot , at mid range , most of my 9mms . If you want to get the most out of it , send it to Bill .

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