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Picked up a late version 1006 that I passed on 25 years ago.

I really didn't need another 10mm but price was right and the 3rd gens aren't getting cheaper or easier to find.

It's just like it came of the dealer shelf. Not a scuff, scratch or wear mark other than the factory test fire residue.

So now it's no longer unfired, but the only issue I found was the trigger play spring not doing its job.

Rivet is tight. I bent it foward a bit and seems to be fine for now but I haven't done any live fire since.

Should I go and pick up a new one and rivet or the old spring just unsprung itself and is good for another 25 years with the rebend?




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That pistol is in top shape! Did they happen to have the original box also?

As to the trigger play spring, I would say reported issues are less common on the 10xx pistols than on the 4506 and 4566 guns. My 1006 was bought new in 1994 and I haven't had the problem but yep, I'm definitely familiar with the problem. I know many folks have gotten along well enough with simply bending.

I want to say one thing -- and honestly it is not my intention to offend or nitpick, it's just something that I believe has value in the conversation:

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I don't agree, I don't believe this is a general reality across the board and it seems to get trotted out constantly and it's getting to be dogma.

I believe it is a fine time to be a fan and find 3rd Gens. In a world where tupperware and 1911's are constantly in your face, all metal DA/SA duty/service guns aren't a hot topic unless you hang out in this forum. There are tons of fantastic deals on great 3rd Gens, especially on Gunbroker. There's also lots still coming out of service and being offered for great prices (915's and CHP .40s) and we'll continue to see more as old guys get even older and start clearing out their safes.

It's seems to be tradition in gun forums to point out the "scarcity" of out-of-production models but the truth doesn't back it up. S&W made -many- hundreds of thousands of 3rd Gens and outside of us retro fans, these guns aren't popular like tupperware and 1911's.

Guys in forums say the same thing about 39-2's and that isn't backed by reality either. It isn't accurate -- it's rhetoric.

The 10xx models sell now for more than they did from 1990 to 1994, which happens to be outside the norm for 3rd Gens. Most of the other models tend to go for same or lower money than their prices when they were new in box. The dang TSW duty pistols from the early 2000's were $800-$900 guns and we get 'em for $500-$600 now with money that is less valuable today.

It is a wonderful time to be a fan of 1-2-3rd gen S&W pistols!
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The pistol came with a, non original to this pistol, S&W cardboard box.

Pity the box didn't survive.

However to my surprise I have the original manual and inside that manual is the original box sticker.

Also, I was pleasantly suprised this 1006 shipped with a SS one peice guide rod.


It's quite a joy to shoot full house 10mm as Norma intended.

My Delta Elite XE can't do it without getting a tiny buldge, and that in itself is a disgrace.

Since I reload I tamed it down a bit for the Delta Elite XE so the brass isn't compromised.

This 1006 has no issues with the full nut, however it is no match to the Delta's trigger.

Comming from a 1911, the perceived and felt recoil are the same to me as is the weight.

It's quite a joy to shoot.

I did buy a factory curved grip to tryout, but in the end I like the straight grip better, and no way will I disgrace the pistol with any aftermarket nonsence.

Here's a pic of a great pair of tens.

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I love a 1006. Had one years ago.
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Flashbang, that is a Nice one! After having owned several previous S&W 10MMs, I bought my current 1026. Upwards of 20 years ago now I think. It appeared LNIB like yours, in the serial numbered box, with manual, both mags,etc. It still has the original trigger play spring, and the spring is still doing it's job.
I consider myself a 1911 guy, and have been a 10MM fan since acquiring a Bren Ten soon after they became available. Later had a Delta with the factory barrel, that left a lot of unsupported brass hanging out over the barrel throat. Never blew a case using the Norma ammunition, and equivalent reloads. But felt a lot better shooting the "real" 10MM ammo in the S&Ws with their well supported chambers. There are plenty of 3rd. Gens floating around at bargain prices, but the ones I've seen don't look to be 1006s in anything like the pristine condition yours is in.

BTW, I tried out the curved, and the FBI grip too. Went back to the straight....
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The trigger play spring is just "cosmetic". I broke my 411 tps and never replaced it. Love my 1006 btw.
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Haha, it is definitely more than cosmetic. The word you might have wanted was "critical", as in, this spring is not critical.

Absolutely makes a big difference in how the trigger operates and feels.
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Very nice find, congrats. Ive got one too. It had the same 21 sticker.



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Rivet is tight. I bent it foward a bit and seems to be fine for now but I haven't done any live fire since.

Should I go and pick up a new one and rivet or the old spring just unsprung itself and is good for another 25 years with the rebend?
It'll likely be fine being bent but since Midway still (usually?) has the rivet & spring in-stock, & they're cheap, it'd be good insurance to buy a set, just to have in case. 3rd Gen parts aren't getting any easier to find.

One of my 10xx has the loose spring & I keep tightening it but it keeps getting loose. One day I'll have to repair it.

The large frame 3rd Gens, 10xx & 45xx, seem to have this affliction more than others.

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I don't agree, I don't believe this is a general reality across the board and it seems to get trotted out constantly and it's getting to be dogma.
Depends on where yer at. Come try to get one in Kalifornistan then tell me about dogma.
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I too have a 1006 I inherited from my great-uncle. My 1006, along with a 5903 I own, have black colored triggers and hammers. I notice many pictured in this thread have "silver" colored triggers and hammers. Is there more to this such as build date or something?
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Yes.

S&W originally used silver controls on the stainless pistols and transitioned to black around 1991.

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It is very (VERY!) rare that I ever see any S&W 10xx pistol with black hammer and trigger, but I have seen them. I have often wondered if they were some kind of factory re-work as they are truly that rare to find.

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The pistol came with a, non original to this pistol, S&W cardboard box.

Pity the box didn't survive.

However to my surprise I have the original manual and inside that manual is the original box sticker.

Also, I was pleasantly suprised this 1006 shipped with a SS one peice guide rod.


It's quite a joy to shoot full house 10mm as Norma intended.

My Delta Elite XE can't do it without getting a tiny buldge, and that in itself is a disgrace.

Since I reload I tamed it down a bit for the Delta Elite XE so the brass isn't compromised.

This 1006 has no issues with the full nut, however it is no match to the Delta's trigger.

Comming from a 1911, the perceived and felt recoil are the same to me as is the weight.

It's quite a joy to shoot.

I did buy a factory curved grip to tryout, but in the end I like the straight grip better, and no way will I disgrace the pistol with any aftermarket nonsence.

Here's a pic of a great pair of tens.

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The 1006 comes with an 18# recoil spring which I didn't feel quite right about. I put a Wolff 22# in my 1006, closer to a Delta Elite. Now I'll shoot anything in it.
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The 1006 comes with an 18# recoil spring which I didn't feel quite right about.
It's surprising that the 4506 & 1006 used the same recoil spring (#201610000) from the factory.

But bear in mind that the slide & barrel of the 1006 weighs 2 ozs. more than the 4506's (19.7oz -vs- 17.6oz.).

That said, I increased mine with a heavier Wolff recoil spring too. The brass still flies out of it pretty good though.

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It makes me wonder what they were thinking, BlueDot37. I would rather keep the slide closed a few milliseconds more with the pressures the 10mm generates over the 45. I never paid attention, but as you say it still throws the brass pretty good I would think it has virtually no effect on extraction.
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I had one of my 10s out yesterday, a 1006 along with it 4516 cousin. The 10mm is a great round.
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I had one of my 10s out yesterday, a 1006 along with it 4516 cousin. The 10mm is a great round.
They are and imo the best 10 mm ever made

No cracked frame like the deltas or mis fires like the fabled Bren
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They are and imo the best 10 mm ever made

No cracked frame like the deltas or mis fires like the fabled Bren
A few frames cracked on the Deltas at first, but Colt solved that problem early on.
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A few frames cracked on the Deltas at first, but Colt solved that problem early on.
I would believe you need to re check that as the full grain Norma rounds probably would crack a Delta regardless of year.
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I would rather keep the slide closed a few milliseconds more with the pressures the 10mm generates over the 45.
Then increasing the mainspring to a stronger one will have a similar affect by resisting the slide's initial rearward movement, at the expensive of a heavier trigger pull, more noteably on the DA pull. They'll still try to go into sub-orbit.

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Then increasing the mainspring to a stronger one will have a similar affect by resisting the slide's initial rearward movement, at the expensive of a heavier trigger pull, more noteably on the DA pull. They'll still try to go into sub-orbit.

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I would believe you need to re check that as the full grain Norma rounds probably would crack a Delta regardless of year.
I recall some threads over the years where a few 10XX series have cracked. No 10mm is immune to the possibility. Just the same, I'll continue to shoot all of mine until that happens.
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I have never witnessed any discussion where I've seen anyone claimed to have cracked or damaged a S&W 10xx pistol. I'm certain that I have not seen every conversation and I am not saying it hasn't ever happened.

If anyone has any links to any 10xx catastrophic failures, I'd appreciate you sharing them as I am interested to read.
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That is because they are built like a tank, the most solid 10 mm ever made is the 10 series smith, the Bren tenn was solid as well but I have heard mixed reviews on the deltas but to each there own. The 10xx series is the best 10 mm semi auto made in everyday uses.
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I have never witnessed any discussion where I've seen anyone claimed to have cracked or damaged a S&W 10xx pistol. I'm certain that I have not seen every conversation and I am not saying it hasn't ever happened.

If anyone has any links to any 10xx catastrophic failures, I'd appreciate you sharing them as I am interested to read.
You could probably do a google search and get some info if it's out there. I have been in varoius gun forums since about 1996. All I know is I'm not going to stress mine out with Underwood or hot reloads. I don't reload myself anyway.
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That is because they are built like a tank, the most solid 10 mm ever made is the 10 series smith...
From the 1991 Annual issue of American Handgunner, 10,000 rounds of Winchester Silvertips thru a M1006 in 6.5hrs !!

Probems encountered:

- broken safety lever,

- broken trigger play spring (duh!),

- broken ejector tip (brass still ejected & landed along side the shooter instead of the next county.)

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The staked on guide rod end did not fail but the recoil spring (not replaced during test) was shorter & weaker.

The barrel got to 430F during testing & was cleaned every 500 rounds except during the last 1000 rounds it was not cleaned.

The rifling was noticeably worn but was able to shoot a 11" x 5-1/2" group at 50yds from a Ranson rest.

Replace a few parts & you'd be able to shoot another 10,000 rounds.

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From the 1991 Annual issue of American Handgunner, 10,000 rounds of Winchester Silvertips thru a M1006 in 6.5hrs !!

Probems encountered:

- broken safety lever,

- broken trigger play spring (duh!),

- broken ejector tip (brass still ejected & landed along side the shooter instead of the next county.)

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The staked on guide rod end did not fail but the recoil spring (not replaced during test) was shorter & weaker.

The barrel got to 430F during testing & was cleaned every 500 rounds except during the last 1000 rounds it was not cleaned.

The rifling was noticeably worn but was able to shoot a 11" x 5-1/2" group at 50yds from a Ranson rest.

Replace a few parts & you'd be able to shoot another 10,000 rounds.

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Winchester Silver tips are somewhere between Underwood and Federal 10mm lite. This is interesting because I keep DoubleTap 155gr Barnes in mine. DT is known to overstate their velocities a lot, don't know what mine are putting out. They conform to SAMMI standards unlike BuffaloBiore or Underwood.
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I love my 1066 and 1076, great guns, best 10mm ever made IMO. However, the early Delta's "could" crack, but it was an easy fix as Colt figured out just by removing a small amount of metal on the stress point corrected it without doing any weakening to the frame at all and now they are highly coveted 10mms. This is an image of the new version, but in the old ones there was a piece of frame connecting the rail at top (arrow) and that's were the crack "could" happen, by simply removing that connecting bar it fixes the problem. I would jump on old Delta in a heartbeat, they're quit collectable now.
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That is because they are built like a tank, the most solid 10 mm ever made is the 10 series smith, the Bren tenn was solid as well but I have heard mixed reviews on the deltas but to each there own. The 10xx series is the best 10 mm semi auto made in everyday uses.
I read the Bren's were plagued from the beginning, not being made on a CNC, each gun had parts that could not be interchanged with other Brens and the final nail (besides money) was they started shipping the guns without mags and couldn't keep up with producing enough mags for the guns that had already been shipped. I'm sure there's more to their demise, but I think they got the ball rolling along with Col. Cooper for what we have now.
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I read the Bren's were plagued from the beginning, not being made on a CNC, each gun had parts that could not be interchanged with other Brens and the final nail (besides money) was they started shipping the guns without mags and couldn't keep up with producing enough mags for the guns that had already been shipped. I'm sure there's more to their demise, but I think they got the ball rolling along with Col. Cooper for what we have now.
Yep, that is what they did. The Smith and Wesson 10 mm was deigned to be the best 10 mm semi auto. I am not sure of the torture test as you posted but 10 thousand rounds of hot load 10 mm is very extreme indeed. The 10xx series triggers are not the best in the world which is why my 1076 has a Novak's trigger job. It smoothed it out soo much that I don't have problems with it any longer.
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This thread isn’t helping - I just saw an unfired adjustable sight version 1006 for $650. I don’t need it, right?
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This thread isnt helping - I just saw an unfired adjustable sight version 1006 for $650. I dont need it, right?
$650 is an excellent price for an unfired 1006. If it comes with a couple of mags, that's a bonus, as mags are expensive and hard to find these days. I've seen used mags going for $70-$90, and that was a few years back.
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Changed out the original trigger play spring and rivet with a OEM set.

Also I replaced the original recoil and firing pin springs with factory OEM weight springs since they were old and I noticed some very small firing pin drag.

No issues with trigger play or firing pin drag now.



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In the early 90s, a shop close to my house had a 1006 on the shelf that I drooled over for about 2 months....never pulled the trigger to make the buy and always wished I had......as I recall, the price in 1991 was $650....so that would seem to be a pretry good price for one today.

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