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I just picked up this Smith and Wesson Model 1076 for $400 bucks. Came with box and only one mag. Trying to find more information on the gun to see if it came from a police department or the FBI. it’s a real clean gun and fits my hands real well.
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You better keep an eye out over your shoulder. Gun theft is a crime you know.
Congrats on a great acquisition.
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That is quite a deal. The frame decocker models were subject to a recall - two punch marks under the decock lever (visible when actuated) indicate service under that recall.
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Issue guns may/may not have identifying stamps on them. Department name/initials, inventory numbers, unit numbers etc.
If it's really clean and has no wear on the grips/stocks, no finish loss on corners of rear sight it's probably a private owner.
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You stole that one for sure. Worth about double what you paid.
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Couldn't get the pics to come up dangit! Lucky dog OP, lucky dog.
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That’s the best deal I’ve heard of on one of the Smith 10mm’s. Nice job!
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That is quite a deal. The frame decocker models were subject to a recall - two punch marks under the decock lever (visible when actuated) indicate service under that recall.
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Why the recall?
And regarding price - in CA I just paid about $1,300.00 and was pretty glad to snag it.
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Jeez, I just paid a grand for one, and thought it was a bargain since it came with 5 magazines. $400 for "a real clean gun"? Holy catfish!
Mine's going back for the recall work as well - I've already received a response from S&W to my query and they say they are sending me a shipping label in the next few days.
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Hard to say if it is an FBI gun or not with just the one picture. Call S&W and ask them when it shipped. They may tell you if it's an FBI gun if you ask them really nicely.
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that is an excellent price for a great pistol. I would hurt myself getting out my wallet to pay such a low price for one. Love my 1076, spare magazines aren't cheap .
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It has one tell tale sign to possibly differentiate it from the commercial version that was added as a regular catalog item... the front of the grip frame has the cross cut (diamond) pattern on it instead of plain vertical lines, as seen on my commercial 1076.
Check out these threads where quite the discussion on the FBI 1076 took place for some great info:
FBI 1076
FBI 1076 added info/multiple pictures.
Excellent price you paid... down right highway robbery.
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A letter of authenticity would be the only way to confirm its shipping destination, unless the box is stamped "FBI Academy" or something similar :
http://www.swhistoricalfoundation.co...quest_form.pdf
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Lots of interesting information on these guns. Being in law enforcement myself I read up on the Miami Shootout and the reasoning for going over to 10mm. My box does not have a law enforcement sticker. I wouldn’t mind carrying this as a backup.
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It has one tell tale sign to possibly differentiate it from the commercial version that was added as a regular catalog item... the front of the grip frame has the cross cut (diamond) pattern on it instead of plain vertical lines, as seen on my commercial 1076.
Check out these threads where quite the discussion on the FBI 1076 took place for some great info:
FBI 1076
FBI 1076 added info/multiple pictures.
Excellent price you paid... down right highway robbery.
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Not is not an indication, the fbi did not use these but maybe 18 months total. A lot of them ended up in armory surplus stores like my 1076 it was a checkered front strap unit. The 1076 is many things but a back up gun it is not.
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Lots of interesting information on these guns. Being in law enforcement myself I read up on the Miami Shootout and the reasoning for going over to 10mm. My box does not have a law enforcement sticker. I wouldn’t mind carrying this as a backup.
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Backup? Backup to what?
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Back up as in other than my duty weapon. Not as in second weapon. I emailed Smith & Wesson today. They told me that the gun was made in 1991 but could not tell me where it was delivered to.
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Back up as in other than my duty weapon. Not as in second weapon. I emailed Smith & Wesson today. They told me that the gun was made in 1991 but could not tell me where it was delivered to.
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You have to get a letter for that, or maybe call Roy Jinks or Don Mundell.
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Back up as in other than my duty weapon. Not as in second weapon. I emailed Smith & Wesson today. They told me that the gun was made in 1991 but could not tell me where it was delivered to.
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If I was a LEO, the 1076 would be my primary weapon. Yeah, I know. Most agencies specify what you carry. But, even if it weren’t my primary sidearm, if I could carry it as a “backup”, when the balloon went up it would be the weapon in my hand.
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I really wish Smith & Wesson was able to tell me who they shipped the gun to. To me it wouldn’t be worth it if it wasn’t a firearm that shipped to a law enforcement agency.
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Send for a letter, That should tell you who ordered it.
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My 1076 came with a factory T&E letter that had survived although it did not specify where the pistol had been sent.
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FBI Model 1076
Awesome Find!
I call S&W about 4 to 5 years ago and they confirmed my 1076 was shipped to Quantico and gave me the month and year it was shipped. Serial Number is TFK 37xx. I guess I should get a letter since the value of this model is going up and up.
I paid $475 for mine with 2 Orange follower mags, tools and paperwork in the Blue Box... in 1994. Purchased from CDNN in Texas.
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Send it to me and I will get a letter then you don’t have to be bothered with it.
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The 10 series never had orange followers... They were first yellow and the later ones were white. You might want to check yours as they may be for a different gun.. I know they 45 series had orange at one time..
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There are some orange follower 10mm mags out there, as I have some, but they will not fit the traditional 10xx series guns. Haven't been able to verify, but I believe they were prototype mags made for a prototype gun(s). They will fit the 45xx series guns.
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FBI 1076
Dang Aegis you are correct. They are yellow. I bought a bunch of extra 10 mm mags in the late 90s. They are the same yellow. I got hooked on Tens in 93.
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I too have many 10's including an FBI 1076 and three civilian model. I have multiples of all six models except the 1086 only one. Two 1046's with matching original box.. Now they were hard to come by..
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Sounds like You have an awesome collection! I have never seen a 1046. a Damn Unicorn. If you can Please post a picture. How long ago did you aquire them and for how much if you do not mind sharing that info?
I probably would own more S&W 3 rd Gens if parts were available.
Sad state of affairs. I got the 10 MM bug when I lived in New Mexico.
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Not is not an indication, the fbi did not use these but maybe 18 months total. A lot of them ended up in armory surplus stores like my 1076 it was a checkered front strap unit. The 1076 is many things but a back up gun it is not.
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I was issued a 1076 by the FBI in 1996 and carried it until 1999. I was issued the second to last one and know the Agent who got the last one. They were certainly in use much longer than 18 months.
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I was issued a 1076 by the FBI in 1996 and carried it until 1999. I was issued the second to last one and know the Agent who got the last one. They were certainly in use much longer than 18 months.
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Something seems amiss.
An FBI Firearms Training Unit document entitled "Smith & Wesson 10mm Model 1076 Semiautomatic Pistol," produced 05 Sept., 1991, explicitly states an agency timeline of the M1076's use, beginning when the contract for 9,500 Model 1076 pistols was let in Jan., 1990, and then ended in Aug., 1991, after a litany of reliability and suitability problems ultimately caused The Bureau to lose faith in and discontinue use of the M1076.
Later.
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Something seems amiss.
An FBI Firearms Training Unit document entitled "Smith & Wesson 10mm Model 1076 Semiautomatic Pistol," produced 05 Sept., 1991, explicitly states an agency timeline of the M1076's use, beginning when the contract for 9,500 Model 1076 pistols was let in Jan., 1990, and then ended in Aug., 1991, after a litany of reliability and suitability problems ultimately caused The Bureau to lose faith in and discontinue use of the M1076.
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1. Doesn’t matter what some document says, I was there.
2. Show me the document.
And c. The FBI probably only issued the 1076 to NEW Agents in that time frame. But I actually doubt that based on the wording of your post. I was issued a Sig P228 in 1995 at New Agent Training. Later, I noticed a Firearms Instructor at the range with a 1076 in early 1996. I mentioned to him that I thought they were not carried anymore. He said the original ones were recalled and that the one he had was from a group that was run through the Performance Center after the fact and sent to the Bureau to try to change minds. He said he had two left to issue and asked if I wanted one. After I expressed skepticism about reliability he said this new group was a different animal and very reliable. I quickly got one issued and loved it. Carried it for a few more years and after a while the Bureau indicated they wanted them all turned in. So I turned mine in and was issued a Glock 23. There were a few Agents I know in the New York Office who held on to theirs for a couple more years before being forced to turn them in after early 1999. But I do not know the date the last Agent carried a 1076 but certainly after I turned mine in sometime in 1999.
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I noticed a Firearms Instructor at the range with a 1076 in early 1996. I mentioned to him that I thought they were not carried anymore. He said the original ones were recalled and that the one he had was from a group that was run through the Performance Center after the fact and sent to the Bureau to try to change minds. He said he had two left to issue and asked if I wanted one.
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Just because he had a few left and you happened to get one does not mean that they were still filling a contract. As a matter of fact most of them intended for the FBI ended up in LEO Armory stores for the cheap in the mid to late 90s. The 1076 is a great gun and on par with the Sig you also where issued the Glock, not sure if that was your favorite one at all.
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Just because he had a few left and you happened to get one does not mean that they were still filling a contract. As a matter of fact most of them intended for the FBI ended up in LEO Armory stores for the cheap in the mid to late 90s. The 1076 is a great gun and on par with the Sig you also where issued the Glock, not sure if that was your favorite one at all.
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You previously wrote: "Not is not an indication, the fbi did not use these but maybe 18 months total. A lot of them ended up in armory surplus stores like my 1076 it was a checkered front strap unit. The 1076 is many things but a back up gun it is not."
I really have no idea when the contract for FBI 1076s started or ended. Until you mentioned "filling a contract", I did not think that was what we were talking about. Previous posters including you had used the term "use". 1076s in the FBI were in "use" by Agents on the street until at least 1999. The 1076 was my favorite in retrospect if that is a question you were asking.
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1076 & 629 question
Looking for advice. I am an original owner of a 1076. I been reading a lot about these guns. I haven't used this pistol in 25 years, maybe has a 1,000 rounds thru it. Should I use this gun or preserve it because parts are hard to find. If something does break, can a gun smith fabricate a new part(s)?
Also looking for a nice leather holster for my 629. everything is about in the $150 range and up. Any suggestions on leather mfg guys/gals?
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$400? !!
I'll be checking the pictures on the post office walls for yours?
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It would be my opinion that you've got a wonderful shooter and you should definitely shoot it for these reasons:
With a thousand rounds through it, it isn't NIB/mint, so putting another thousand or 4,000 rounds through it won't alter it's "value."
Next -- these are extremely well-built pistols that are quite unlikely to break.
Lastly... a great many of the parts are interchangeable with other models that S&W did make a lot of, so on the rare chance that something does fail, there's a better than average chance that you can source a part.
Welcome to the forum. Typically better to start a new thread for this question rather than bumping a very old discussion.
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Great price, that's why when I ran across my 1076 for $550, no box, but in mint condition at my LGS I immediately jumped on it even though I was there picking up another gun off law-a-way. They don't pop up at that price very often and if it's an issued FBI gun you hit the lottery by the way.
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