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Old 10-08-2018, 12:39 PM
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'Kay. Let's examine some evidence.

(1) Your morale thread has received 1400 views.
(2) There are currently 3000 people looking at S&W Forum, one of the single largest brand-specific forums on the internet.

Yet you conclude that you're somehow rare, that there aren't very many of you, and you are a unique and special snowflake.

You're not! You're just isolated from everybody else. Largely because every five minutes, someone blasts "Tupperware" guns. If I walked around calling S&Ws "expensive Rossi's", would you want to associate with me?

Then there are the countless Grumpy Old Man posts bemoaning the "sad state of America's youth", with a few "young people can't shoot" posts.

It's not that young people don't shoot revolvers or whatever else you're into. Mostly, they just don't want to shoot with you.
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When it comes to collectibles I donít believe itís a question of popularity but one of economics.

We boomers lived in a time of disposable income, to believe that will be the case in the future is a stretch.

Millennials are a diverse group and those that I know are practical if not down right frugal.

The fact that a plastic gun is whatís desired for a using gun is born out in sales figures.

So less disposable income, frugal by necessity and a cheaper alternative for SD, you all might think about liquidation while you can.


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Old 10-08-2018, 02:48 PM
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'Kay. Let's examine some evidence.

(1) Your morale thread has received 1400 views.
Wasn't meant to be"morale" but I'll take it
(2) There are currently 3000 people looking at S&W Forum, one of the single largest brand-specific forums on the internet.
Didn't realize that since I'm not on any other brand-specific forum

Yet you conclude that you're somehow rare, that there aren't very many of you, and you are a unique and special snowflake.
Far from a "snowflake" but drfrnitly unique in my sphere of influence

You're not! You're just isolated from everybody else.
This could be true

It's not that young people don't shoot revolvers or whatever else you're into. Mostly, they just don't want to shoot with you.
Never asked but wouldn't doubt it.
BTW, I like your nick name.
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Old 10-08-2018, 03:43 PM
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When it comes to collectibles I don’t believe it’s a question of popularity but one of economics.

We boomers lived in a time of disposable income, to believe that will be the case in the future is a stretch.

Millennials are a diverse group and those that I know are practical if not down right frugal.

The fact that a plastic gun is what’s desired for a using gun is born out in sales figures.

So less disposable income, frugal by necessity and a cheaper alternative for SD, you all might think about liquidation while you can.


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Okay, forget the "millennials". Which is a ridiculous term anyway. I think in actual use it boils down to "people younger than me". Besides, they spend as much on guns as anybody else.

Do you want to know why so few people are buying new revolvers? Because the old ones are cheaper and just as good. I'd guess more money changes hands over used revolvers than new ones.

The other thing is, when discussing CCW sales, why would you not buy a polymer-framed packin' pistol? They're cheaper than steel guns, lighter, frequently as small or smaller, and shoot just fine.

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Well, I wasn't so much remarking on you (although I'll admit that's what "your thread" sounds like) just these guys in general. There's another threadnought over in CCW&SD bemoaning "plsatic spray'n'prayers" and "millennials" and such.

Seriously, these guys are starting to sound like gun hipsters. "I'm into revolvers, you wouldn't know them, they're very underground." I mean, that's sorta the CZ75 guys' niche.
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I'm in my 60's as well, retired and fortunate enough to be able to shoot frequently. Being a shooting enthusiast from an early age, I have spent years buying, selling, collecting and accumulating. But in the last year or so I don't seem to have much of a desire to buy many more guns. Instead, I love shooting, handling and appreciating all the 'old' blue steel and wood grip pistols and rifles that have so many memories attached to them. Nostalgia I guess; and while I do have some plastic guns around, they just don't seem to have a soul or any character. Nor do they show the craftsmanship and pride in production that assembly lines now crank out. I'm a pretty simple guy now....Now in regards to dying out part, well there is no denying that. Told us in the Marines that none of us are getting out of this life alive; and when surrounded that was good thing as we could attack in any direction (none of this retreat stuff) and when asked, my Doctor has said the same thing. Don't have a day scheduled or a date on the calendar for that yet.....
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Old 10-08-2018, 04:56 PM
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It's evolution the gun word is changing. I'm crowding 60 now and the gun world I grew up in was Walnut stocks and shinny blued barrels and receivers. Black guns seem to fascinate this new generation of shooters. The number of Hunters and trappers are also declining.
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Old 10-08-2018, 06:53 PM
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Don't mean to hog this thread - I find the subject very interesting. GaryS as is the case with may others has made a very good point about gun sales are thriving. Joe (one eye - very funny) also made a similar point about shooters vs. collectors. I did a little research today. The two top selling guns are the SW Shield 2nd place and the Ruger LCP 380 in the number one position. What we are seeing is the lion share of handgun purchases are carry guns, small footprint with women hitting the buying effort hard. There is a huge conceal carry group out there buying extremely small handguns as Gary mentioned starting with the women. The Ruger LCP at bud's Gun Shop sells for $179!! Does this mean our N, K and even J frame revolvers are a dying breed? For the purpose of personal and home protection maybe so. My gun of choice for home protection is a Sig226 or a Glock 17. Both are super reliable as semi-autos. Girlfriend's gun of choice is the Combat Magnum Model 19. Not a good idea messing with ball and chain!

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Old 10-08-2018, 07:22 PM
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Don't mean to hog this thread - I find the subject very interesting.
Hog all you want. Your input is well received
GaryS as is the case with may others has made a very good point about gun sales are thriving. Joe (one eye - very funny) also made a similar point about shooters vs. collectors.
2 very different perspectives. I agree with both sides to a degree.
I did a little research today. The two top selling guns are the SW Shield 2nd place and the Ruger LCP 380 in the number one position. What we are seeing is the lion share of handgun purchases are carry guns, small footprint with women hitting the buying effort hard. There is a huge conceal carry group out there buying extremely small handguns as Gary mentioned starting with the women. The Ruger LCP at bud's Gun Shop sells for $179!! Does this mean our N, K and even J frame revolvers are a dying breed? For the purpose of personal and home protection maybe so. My gun of choice for home protection is a Sig226 or a Glock 17. Both are super reliable as semi-autos. Girlfriend's gun of choice is the Combat Magnum Model 19. Not a good idea messing with ball and chain!
+1 on not messing with the women!
We all can learn something from everyone's experiences and view points as different as they can be. I know I am.
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Old 10-08-2018, 08:24 PM
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I'm 22 and about to get my 686+ that I got in a trade for a red dot. I use to shoot Cowboy Action when I was younger but fell out of that due to work, so I do appreciate the old stuff. I also have an old police Model 10 that is well loved and used. Overall, I really am a firearms enthusiast and enjoy all firearms, from muzzle loaders to my everyday carry Glock 19 that has a RMR, KKM bbl and comp, and X300U.
I think a lot of posters have already hit the mark as to why you're not seeing older guns in the hands of younger folks, the guns themselves were produced so long ago, spare parts are getting harder to find, and the rising cost due to appreciation. Like one poster said, he bought them new, or not too old, when he purchased them. Much like old Model A's or T's, while the decades go buy they'll be horded up or scraped as they reach their rusted end, people who don't know their worth do whatever with them, or enter another large collection of someone who does know their worth.
I suppose you could correlate the trend of older folks and their collections or pieces much like their homeowner status. Younger ones are in the cities due to college or their job and are currently facing high-rent, low-paying (probably janky Amazon or Star*ucks jobs) jobs, and disproportionately higher home prices. With lower prices, even with inflation, of homes and firearms, they were acquired back then and are still being held onto, or sold for good profit. I know one old guy who passed and had around 60 benchrest guns, unfortunately I never found out what big firm or store bought all of them from the dimwit son.
I would say that overall, a move towards newer technology such as polymer and autoloaders has given the sheer might of industrial production to the Glocks and ARs of the world. There's quite a few of my peer shooting buddies who all have old guns, from Belgian Auto-5's to Mauser C96's, and they love and cherrish them just as much.
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Old 10-08-2018, 08:37 PM
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I think people tend to want what they see, what they are shown.

And that goes from politicians to products.

From what I can see, politicians no longer win elections by campaigning, traveling around stumping and giving speeches.

They just buy elections with TV ads. "May the richest man win." Scary.

Same with firearms. People buy what the manufacturers show them.

Show them striker fired plastic guns. They buy them.

"Hammer? What's a hammer? You don't need a hammer to fire a gun. You just need a trigger."

And I noticed as of late, I'm seeing more and more rifles that come without sights. You have to mount a scope or red dot sights on them.

This is all wonderful for the manufacturers. They crank out cheaper for them to make, inferior firearms and ill educated (at least as far as guns go) consumers snap them up as the "latest thing."

Idiots.
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Old 10-08-2018, 09:13 PM
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As a high school teacher, I rarely yet sometimes discuss guns with a student. (If my local school board ever discovers me, I'm in deep doo-doo.) The talk is almost always Glock because that's what they see on the tube.
And although I sometimes shoot with my school police officers (mostly less than my 57 years and ex-military) and they love my 2nd and 3rd Generation S&Ws, not a one would trade the Glock/XD/M&P for, say, a 5906 or a 915.
We have a new guy in my department, nice kid, a captain in the National Guard, and except for a Kimber .45, he won't touch a hammer fired metal pistol. When I told him about a recently acquired 469, he sneered and said he'd never own a Smith. I pointed out the gun was older than he (he's 34), he seemed amazed that it actually existed and that there was anyone on the planet who would actually want to carry such a piece.
Finally, I have a nephew by marriage (41 yo) who's into long guns for hunting, although he has a Glock for house defense. He would consider nothing else.
Yes, I know the evidence is all anecdotal. It's the evidence I have, though. I face the sad conclusion that my hobby and preferences for metal TDA is going out of favor. My cherished pistols will, when I'm gone, be left to unappreciative (if nice) inheritors. I'm afraid even the 85 year old Colt's Woodsman that my grandfather owned won't matter to whomever gets it. When I'm gone, I won't care. For now, it pains me.
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I think people tend to want what they see, what they are shown.



Same with firearms. People buy what the manufacturers show them.

Show them striker fired plastic guns. They buy them.

"Hammer? What's a hammer? You don't need a hammer to fire a gun. You just need a trigger."

And I noticed as of late, I'm seeing more and more rifles that come without sights. You have to mount a scope or red dot sights on them.

This is all wonderful for the manufacturers. They crank out cheaper for them to make, inferior firearms and ill educated (at least as far as guns go) consumers snap them up as the "latest thing."

Idiots.
Is it greed on the manufactures part or are they just trying to keep their boat afloat? Lower price point expands the market of potential customers.(younger crowd struggling with finances as mentioned in previous posts) Also competition from over seas pushing price down?
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I agree that a lot of gun purchases are price driven. I have to admit I have more than a few plastics. I shoot them. That's what they're made for and they do it well. Lots of rounds and not a lot of money. My steel guns also get shot but they also get admired for the quality they represent. Show me a 1911 and I start to drool. It's true each generation has their own pleasures, imagine what our forefathers said when the next generation went away from black powder! Young whippersnappers!!
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I think people tend to want what they see, what they are shown.



Same with firearms. People buy what the manufacturers show them.

Show them striker fired plastic guns. They buy them.

"


They crank out cheaper for them to make, inferior firearms and ill educated (at least as far as guns go) consumers snap them up as the "latest thing."

Idiots.
Not the Manufactures it's what people see on TV and in the Movies that tell them what they want:

Model 29........... Dirty Harry

Browning High Power....... Serpico

Beretta 92 ........... Die Hard and Lethal Weapon

Bren 10/ S&W 4506........ Miami Vice

Walther PPK ......... Dr No and "Bond; James Bond"

Sig 229....... NCIS

Colt Python........ The Walking Dead....... revived interest from the "masses" in this out of production REVOLVER!!!!!

Glock....... every other movie made since 1990


Not to mention what they see in local cops holsters:

It use to be the Model 10,19,66 then Model 5906s and sad to say Glocks.
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Collecting and shooting will stay around.
But who does what may not necessarily be determined by age.
For example here is my experience.
I am in my early 60s and even in my 20s was interested in shooting not collecting.
I used pump shotguns for hunting and s&w revolvers for sport.
Real nice guns such as registered magnums was appreciated but way out of my budget. I certainly wouldn't have shot one.
S&W semis were cool but more of a duty or defense use and not my main interest for ownership.
I did shoot alot of types of handguns and rifles, owned by friends and relatives but I only had a couple of hunting guns.
In my 50s I bought a 686-6 and 60-14 for field and cc. I chose the current production due to S&W factory support and new alloy frame and barrel.
Older ones from the 70s would be nice, but too nice to shoot. And I shoot what I own.
I am pretty sure there will be intrest in collecting and in shooting in years to come.
Yet maybe some like me will concentrate on one or the other.
Some will do both.

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AS a person in my early 70's I see rapid growth in the shooting sports Associations. I am the Head of the Blacl Powder group at my club and a director as well. WE have had around 250 members join my club in the last few months alone. WE currently have around 950 members on paid membership. Many new shooters are women which we do need more of. I am also one of around 40 Range Officers annointed earlier this year.
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AS a person in my early 70's I see rapid growth in the shooting sports Associations. I am the Head of the Blacl Powder group at my club and a director as well. WE have had around 250 members join my club in the last few months alone. WE currently have around 950 members on paid membership. Many new shooters are women which we do need more of. I am also one of around 40 Range Officers annointed earlier this year.
Barrie,
Thanks for your input from our neighbors to the North. Are all those new members joining due to a up tick in the interest of Black Powder rifles/firearms or are they also involved in newer types as well? Just wondering if it's easier to belong to a "Black Powder" club since they're not as useful in committing a crime from the governments view point. (not trying to go political here) I know that it's really hard to own a gun up there vs down here.
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Most of the new shooters men and women alike are joining our pistol section it seems. I am getting a few new members in the Black Powder group but not as many as the pistol groups at all. Archery is also another big thing at our club as we have a wood's walk and a Measured archery field for them also.We cater to Trap,5 stand, and skeet as well as two pistol ranges. One with 20 stations which is covered and a 15-20 yard station which is sepperate to the main pistol Range. Then we have a Black Powder range sepperate again. Also have a Cowboy action range and some IPSIG ranges. WE have No mortgage on our property at all and money in the bank as well.
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