Did S&W ever make a 1st 2nd or 3rd gen 357sig? if so what model number.

I've never seen or heard of one.

John

Edit: A member has a PC pistol with a 357 sig barrel but it seems to be a one-off.

Why would S&W make a .357 SIG when they had their own .40S&W?

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Bill

The only autos made in 357 sig were Model 357v sigma around 1998, limited production. In 2004 Model sw990l, 15 compact, 15 full size were made in 357sig, rare.

I was wondering the other day, did they ever make one in .38 super?

The 3rd generation pistols were what was around when the 357SIG was introduced

There never was a Production 357SIG 3rd generation auto loader, but there was a single Shorty 357 built in 1993. It has been confirmed that this was a run of one pistol

No one knows if it was a marketing sample or a test bed to compare 357SIG ammunition performance against the newly introduced 40S&W cartridge

As far as production guns go, there were somewhat less than 1500 of the SW357V SIGMAs produced. Unfortunatly the entire SIGMA line had less than stellar acceptance by the public

The well designed and highly popular M&P line of auto-loaders had many thousands, probably 10s of thousands, of M&P357s produced in both full size and compact. These were adopted by Law Enforcement Agencies across the US and are still being produced to fulfill contracts

I do not believe that there were any additional "Production" 357SIGs from Smith and Wesson

S&W made the current model M&P in 357 Sig. The NC State Highway Patrol bought and issued them. They had problems from the beginning and finally S&W bought them back and they were replaced with Sig pistols. I was told by a NC SHP armorer that S&W discontinued the 357 M&P as they could never get them to operate reliably.

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I have never heard that S&W built a .38 Super semi-auto, but then again I have not made a study of the matter.

Smith 3913 Chambered in .357 Sig (pics)

Thanks to all I want a 357 sig S/A D/A was hoping S&W had made one I will look at some Sig Sauers
tanks again

Is there any reason why you are not considering an HK USPc chambered for the 357SIG cartridge?

Or if you want smaller and lighter, there is always the P2000sk chambered for the 357 SIG cartridge

The Sub-Kompac carries 10 rounds with it's standard capacity magazine, but can be reloaded with the longer 12 round mags. I use the X-grip spacer so that it has a nicer visual appeal

I have a 1st gen 4006 I would love a 357sig bbl for.

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I have a P239 that is just amazingly accurate for a little gun.

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Fred,
One of our Fellow Forum members, S537, usually has that barrel in inventory

That is Scott and I bet he has an add in the classifieds

Let me start by saying that I really like and respect my Sigs. Right now you can buy used 40's for peanuts. You might find one of those you like and then get a 357 Sig barrel for it.

Mine sure operates reliably. Never a hiccup of any sort.

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US Army '72-'95

Here is my PC 40 RECON with a Briley 357SIG barrel. Thanks to Scott.

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What are the problems with the M&P .357?

I have never heard of S&W making a pistol in 38 Super. Back many years ago when the 9MM 90 grain hollow point bullet (short Super Vel type) became available to reloaders, owners of model 39's and some other 9MM pistols would get their barrels rechambered for the 38 Super.
Overall cartridge length was critical for the cartridge to fit and function in the 9MM magazines.
One had to use reloaded cartridges for this conversion as factory 38 Super cartridges were to long fit in the 9MM magazines.
The velocity was pretty high and very impressive with these reloads.

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There was a 'strange' one, 5906 the Super 9. Came with 3 barrels, 9x19, 9x21, and 356TSW. Produced in 1999-2000.

No matter what the firearm, odds are you will find an agency that had problems with them.

Remember we have just under 20,000 City, County, State and Federal Law Enforcement Agencies here in these United States

Years back there was an agency that bought either 65s or 67s and the said the barrels were just breaking off of the revolvers at the front of the frame

Or how about the FBI that had trouble with the 1076s? We all LOVE our 1076s and have no issues.

Somewhere in the North East there was an agency that had problems with their Glocks and replaced them with SIGs.

But there was an agency that had problems with their SIGs and I think replaced them with Glocks

Then there are also thousands of agencies that can be found with no problem with just about any firearm we care to pick

ETC. Etc. etc

I guess I lucked out. Yesterday I was in a LGS and saw a SW990L in the case at a reasonable price. The owner said he had the gun for awhile and was wondering if he would ever sell it. It wasn't until he pulled it out of the case that I noticed it was in .357 Sig. We made a very agreeable deal and I took home my new (to me) gun with a box of FMJ-FP and a box of Hornady Critical Duty. The gun had been shot, but it wasn't filthy. I cleaned it up and started doing some internet research as I had never heard of a SW99 of any type in .357 Sig.

I've attached photos of the box with the original label, the fired cartridge, and the .357 Sig barrel. There is a "P" on the right side of the chamber. The gun has night sights (still works but very dim) and the rear sight is adjustable; I haven't seen sights like these on other SW99s. Until I read this thread, I thought this gun might have been a police trade-in, hence the marking, but now I'm not sure what it means, perhaps prototype?

I didn't get a chance to shoot it last night as it's been raining like it's the monsoon season. Now knowing that only 15 of these guns were made, I'm a bit leery of adding any more wear to it.

In the box (which has a broken latch) was three extra backstraps, two small size and one large size. It only came with one 10 round magazine (marked .40 S&W), and it has a Master lock (still sealed in the bag), Safety and Instruction manual for the SW990L, and an orange barrel plug.

Should I shoot it or save it for a collector?

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They were originally made for Immigration Naturalization Services (INS) who were testing for new pistols. SW made these for testing but were not adopted by INS. I believe the P is for proofing. Later sold as used by SW.
Great find

While I realize this discussion is a little dated, I see two different posts that claim S&W has never made a semiauto chambered in .38 Super. This is not true.

The Performance Center made a scarce PC-1911 that was endorsed by famed competitor Doug Koenig. This is a top-tier hand fitted pistol that carried an MSRP at or around $2,000. These are relatively hard to find.

Sevens,
I believe those statements were in the context of the 3rd generation auto loader question that started this thread.

There was never a production 3rd generation 38 SUPER auto loader, but S&W could have built a tool room sample/demo gun if they so desired.

Unless it turns up in a collector's hand we will never know about it.

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There are probably sitting in the S&W R&D lab varieties of 9mm, 9x21, 9x23, 356TSW, 357Sig, 40S&W, 10mm, 10mmMag, 45ACP running from 3rd gens to 1911s' as experimentals and as what it takes to build them for production should they ever have wanted to.
When I worked in an 'R&D lab', we had many variations of items that were never put into production.

Will those Shorty 40 357 barrels drop into a 4013TSW? I've caught the 357 bug but I don't want to get a new gun for it just yet.

And weren't those "walthers" anyway?

S&W had their own version, the .356TSW

The 356TSW is a slightly longer 9mm case with the overall cartridge length same as 9mm, as the 356TSW mags are 9mm mags, just labeled as 356TSW PC. A totally different 'animal' than the 357Sig which is a bottleneck pistol cartridge based on the 40 S&W case.

The 356TSW case is 21.6 mm long, falls in between the 9mm and 38 Super.

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My mistake. Isn't someone making a 9x21 anyway? Or is that since the 356TSW?

Yes, there is also a 9x21, Israeli, Russian, and Italian as some countries, military cartridges are banned for civilian use.

Like others have said you may be able to find an M&P in .357sig on the used market. Other very good gun makers still chamber in it so you do have choices. I have these and am very happy with them in terms of reliability and shootability. They do deliver quite a muzzle blast but not unusual for a load like that. 9mm bullet on top of a 40 cal powder charge so go figure!

I got both of these pretty cheap...$350 each a while back. One was the sad recipient of an attempt to change it to flat dark earth...yes the whole thing! It was otherwise like new so I did my best to restore it to black and it turned out OK. The other was NIB but the seller was motivated. Ammo is a bit pricey new but can be reloaded for similar cost as 9mm.

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A 4026 with .357sig barrel would be a neat weapon to have.

I missed the opportunity on a 4026 several years back. Saw one on sale for like $350 but wasn't interested at the time, kicking myself now for not grabbing it.

Rosewood