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If you think it's had a rebirth up to this point, wait until after next Tuesday (12\10), when Glock makes their big announcement. I am predicting (on good info) a Glock 19 size 10mm with single stack grip/mag. This thing is going to open the 10mm flood gates.
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The announcement is coming at 10:00a.m. I would love another 10mm option. However, I was told to not be expecting something revolutionary. Speculation is that it is probably not a firearm at all. We will see.
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The 1006 is gone off A-list today Saturday. Somebody got a great deal.
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He preferred an in state sale.
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Not unusual as FTFs' sales with proper ID are legal in Ohio. Those ads that state 'bill of sale' required for purchase are totally ignored by me.
I just didn't feel like making a round trip to C-bus, and since I don't buy 'to flip' and had one already to shoot,I passed.
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10mm has become popular with hunters for a backup in my part of the world.
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Good backup, nearly 41 Magnum power with more rounds than the 6 rounds of a revolver.
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Good backup, nearly 41 Magnum power with more rounds than the 6 rounds of a revolver.
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Nah. Top 10mm loads are just about tied with top 158 or 180 grain .357 mag loads. The .41 myth needs to die.
Still, my XDM with 16 rounds of 180 grain going 1250 is nothing to sneeze at.
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Nah. Top 10mm loads are just about tied with top 158 or 180 grain .357 mag loads. The .41 myth needs to die.
Still, my XDM with 16 rounds of 180 grain going 1250 is nothing to sneeze at.
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I don't know where the myth about the 10mm Auto being nearly as powerful as 41 Magnum came from, but i agree, it needs to go away. The 10mm Auto is certainly equal to the 357 Magnum, but it cannot touch the ballistics of the 41 Magnum without something going "kaboom".
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I have a 1026 (5" 1076) which my son gave me. At the time, it was more or less a match for my SIG 225 and 228, which I no longer have. OK system, regardless. It was also moderate recoil, even less than .44 magnum in a M29, which I used to regard as a medium-recoil combination. In my old (?) age, 74, I seem to be slightly more recoil-sensitive, but the 10mm is certainly still usable. Although I have perfectly good revolvers for most purposes, the 1026 is still the king of the usable autos (Magnum Research is a fine company who imported one of my rifles, but their handguns are not my cup of tea).
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Maybe the resurgence is coming back strong if this is true- maybe due by the SHOT show?
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Maybe the resurgence is coming back strong if this is true- maybe due by the SHOT show?
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Where are you finding information for a Gen5 G49?
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The 1006 in 10mm is a powerful and useful pistol..but if you are hankering for a 1006 and can't find one..just buy a good 4506 and add 10 grains of PowerPistol behind a 200 grain bullet of your choice and you got something that is a wee bit better...
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Where are you finding information for a Gen5 G49?
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Found it on another gun site.
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I don't know where the myth about the 10mm Auto being nearly as powerful as 41 Magnum came from, but i agree, it needs to go away. The 10mm Auto is certainly equal to the 357 Magnum, but it cannot touch the ballistics of the 41 Magnum without something going "kaboom".
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Hodgdon Powder's reloading data. As close as possible to an apples to apples comparison. Max loads were:
10mm, 5" barrel, 200gr @ 1172fps/610 ft lbs energy, 35KSI
.41 Mag, 10" barrel, 210gr @ 1631fps/1241 ft lbs, 36.4K CUP
Granted 5” vs 10” barrel.. but still .41 magnum is significantly faster and therefore more energy.
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It is just a rumor at this point:
G49 10mm 8+1 4 inch slimline | The Leading Glock Forum and Community - GlockTalk.com
Is there some rule against posting links to other sites? I have seen a lot of people avoid doing that but I do not see how it would hurt this site.
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Hodgdon Powder's reloading data. As close as possible to an apples to apples comparison. Max loads were:
10mm, 5" barrel, 200gr @ 1172fps/610 ft lbs energy, 35KSI
.41 Mag, 10" barrel, 210gr @ 1631fps/1241 ft lbs, 36.4K CUP
Granted 5” vs 10” barrel.. but still .41 magnum is significantly faster and therefore more energy.
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I know it's kind of a sloppy "rule of thumb" but...
100fps per inch of barrel and you have parity.
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Take the myth away it doesn't have much more then being an almost rimless version of the .357 magnum that doest cost 2 grand to buy
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Xdm 10mm is $600 at grabagun.
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I have iwned a 10mm of some sort for the past 25yrs ... I have two at this time a G20 and G29 ... Rumors of a compact single stack Glock in 10mm still circulating...
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Not seeing any 10mm resurgence where I shoot. My club has over 500 members and there is always some brass in the buckets. Just about everyone dumps brass in there, even some oddball Russian stuff like 7.62x25. As most people don't reload and only shoot a few times a year they leave a lot of brass. Most of what I see is 9mm, 45acp and lately more 40. No 10mm. If more people are shooting it they must be reloaders.
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The 1006 in 10mm is a powerful and useful pistol..but if you are hankering for a 1006 and can't find one..just buy a good 4506 and add 10 grains of PowerPistol behind a 200 grain bullet of your choice and you got something that is a wee bit better...
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Danger Zone.
Just buy a 10mm if you want 1000 fps with 200 gr bullets.
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While a worthless chambering, I do see a few 10mm empties at the range, maybe 10-12 scattered around, every once in a while. 10mm will NEVER be what 45acp, 9mm, 38spl, 357mag are, acceptance wise, in the US. The solution to a problem that NEVER existed.
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The solution to a problem that NEVER existed.
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False, ignorant and obnoxious statement.
The 10mm delivered everything that was intended by (almost) every gun manufacturer that ever produced them.
The 10mm delivered SALES and continues to do so. Despite complete nonsense such as this quote.
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The 1986 Miami shootout was the problem. The FBI wanted/needed something more powerful than the 9mm and 45acp. Ballistically, they got what they wanted but the early pistols couldn't handle the abuse of the Norma cartridge.
If all the agents would have been using 357( or 41M and 44M ) Magnum revolvers, the 10mm might have never been created. But most departments had been converted to pistols at the time. And ammunition was not as 'good' back then as the 'new stuff' of today.
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The 1986 Miami shootout was the problem. The FBI wanted/needed something more powerful than the 9mm and 45acp. Ballistically, they got what they wanted but the early pistols couldn't handle the abuse of the Norma cartridge.
If all the agents would have been using 357( or 41M and 44M ) Magnum revolvers, the 10mm might have never been created. But most departments had been converted to pistols at the time. And ammunition was not as 'good' back then as the 'new stuff' of today.
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I don't think the problem in the Miami shootout was the handguns the FBI carried. I think it was a lack of respect for a bank robber with a semi auto rifle. One of the robbers had a Mini-14. A 10mm pistol won't solve that problem. I can ring steel all day long at 200 yds with my Mini-14. Try that with a 10mm pistol.
First rule of thumb. Never get in a shootout with someone who has a semi-auto rifle.....unless you also have one.
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I agree but more power on the FBIs' part might have shortened the event.
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Quite the opposite. I work for the largest FFL in the SE doing gun shows. 10mm guns do not sell, & most vendors do not carry any. We have a few only because we carry everything. 40 S&W is also getting hard to sell. We buy huge lots of used LE 40 cal guns. We get them cheap, & only sell a few at any show, & we sell 500 firearms every show. So here in Florida, 10mm, & 40 S&W are as popular as last weeks newspaper. GARY
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Gun shows draw a whole different crowd than they did a few years ago.
I visit Florida 2 to 3 times a year from Destin to Miami and visit all the local gun shops I can. What you guys sell the most of in Florida is not what other states sell the most of.
Ask anyone from Buds or Kygunco here in Kentucky about 10mm.
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They are not that popular except with collectors who want one in each caliber. The 1076 is not IMO an everyday carry firearm, and people aren't going to be spending the amount of money on cartridges just to shoot them up and reloading is the best option for regular shooters. The magazines are rare and expensive as I used to have 5 of them and sold two for 60 bucks each.
The best part is one time my local Bass Pro priced some Remington 10 mm Hollows for like 20 bucks a box, I bought them out of their on hand stock as they were repricing them at 27 bucks a box. The round is so obscure that most of time in my local area they will just sit on the shelves.
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They are not that popular except with collectors who want one in each caliber. The 1076 is not IMO an everyday carry firearm, and people aren't going to be spending the amount of money on cartridges just to shoot them up and reloading is the best option for regular shooters. The magazines are rare and expensive as I used to have 5 of them and sold two for 60 bucks each.
The best part is one time my local Bass Pro priced some Remington 10 mm Hollows for like 20 bucks a box, I bought them out of their on hand stock as they were repricing them at 27 bucks a box. The round is so obscure that most of time in my local area they will just sit on the shelves.
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I don't know where the myth about the 10mm Auto being nearly as powerful as 41 Magnum came from, but i agree, it needs to go away. The 10mm Auto is certainly equal to the 357 Magnum, but it cannot touch the ballistics of the 41 Magnum without something going "kaboom".
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...but still .41 magnum is significantly faster and therefore more energy.
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I agree. A Starline 10mm Auto case holds about 24.1gr/H²O & a W-W 41 Magnum case holds about 33.8gr/H²O.
You have to graduate up to the 10mm Magnum, at 31.8gr/H²O capacity, to hold enough go-juice to compete, everything else being equal.
The 10mm Magnum has a max SAAMI pressure of 37.5K psi (same as 10mm Auto) while the 41 Magnum max's out at 36K psi. Gettin' close.
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I agree but more power on the FBIs' part might have shortened the event.
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Maybe, but FBI swat uses carbines these days and most field agents carry an AR in their trunk. They never adopted the 10mm because it didn't solve the problem of shootouts with people who insisted on using carbines.
I have nothing against the 10mm or the 357 Sig. I put them in the same category. A cartridge that was developed for LE but only gained limited acceptance in its intended use. That doesn't mean they aren't somebody's prefered SD cartridge thought. All good.
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