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Old 12-31-2019, 09:36 PM
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I finally decided I was going to replace the bobbed hammer on my 3913. In mid-November, I checked with MidUSA and Brownells, and they both had them in stock. I called a gunsmith acquaintance, but it seemed like he wanted too much to do the work.

I went to Florida for a while, to visit my family, and then came the holidays, but today I decided to order the hammer, and try it myself. NOTHING! Not "out of stock" - no listing whatsoever. I then checked Numerich and EBay. Nothing.

Anyone have any ideas? I had some questions about the installation, but I'll hold those until I find the part.

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Brownells has a MIM version of the 3rd gen hammer assy. you need listed under the 5906. You'll need to swap the stirrup from your current hammer to the new one.

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Used spurred hammers for 2nd and 3rd gen pistols are often listed on Ebay also.
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Brownells has a MIM version of the 3rd gen hammer assy. you need listed under the 5906. You'll need to swap the stirrup from your current hammer to the new one.

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Used spurred hammers for 2nd and 3rd gen pistols are often listed on Ebay also.
Thank you for that. How easy is it to swap the stirrup? Is it just pinned?
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Ha ha ha, Iím going the OTHER way now. If you can wait for me to do the exchange, (s,) you are welcome to a spurred hammer.

I put spurred hammers on everything but Iím over it. Iíll keep the one in my 4516 but taking them out of my CSís, 6906 and 908. The 908 or 6906 ones will work perfect for you.

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Ha ha ha, Iím going the OTHER way now. If you can wait for me to do the exchange, (s,) you are welcome to a spurred hammer.

I put spurred hammers on everything but Iím over it. Iíll keep the one in my 4516 but taking them out of my CSís, 6906 and 908. The 908 or 6906 ones will work perfect for you.

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Wow, that sounds like a deal. What changed your mind?
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I guess at one point I thought that pulling the hammer back for what ever was important.

Iíve snagged myself pulling the CSís from their inside holsters cause although Iím not ďtechnically obeseĒ Iím not as thin as I used to be around the waist. These pistols have such a great DA pull there really isnít a need to pull a hammer back anyway.

The biggest thing was standing side by side with my my wife shooting some of these pistols and she NEVER cocked the hammers to begin with. Her first shots were right on. Just like the K frames. I kept telling her to cock the hammer for accuracy but nope. She popped all of the balloons.

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OK, here ya go. This one just came out of my 6906 so it will drop right into your 3913.

P.M. me with mailing address and Iíll get it going your way ASAP.

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[QUOTE=4T5GUY;140631477]OK, here ya go. This one just came out of my 6906 so it will drop right into your 3913.

P.M. me with mailing address and Iíll get it going your way ASAP.

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PM sent. I really appreciate this - Thank you.
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Thanks to 4T5GUY, apparently my lack of a part problem has been resolved (however, also thanks to 4T5GUY, I've become very conscious of my "love handles").

I do have a couple of questions. For the hammer assemblies that need to have the stirrup swapped, how does the stirrup attach to the hammer? I've heard people say the it connects with a pin, but if so, what retains it? I read a review on the Brownell's site where a guy couldn't get the "pin" out, and instead ground the stirrup down to fit Is it a rivet of some kind?

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Just a roll pin with a snug fit.

Tap it out of the hammer with an appropriately sized punch.

Easy, peasey.

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I am a well trained self defense shooter and instructor. In addition I spent a second career in law enforcement. Somewhere along the way I became a student of 'nuances' in using firearms for self defense. An aspect of nuances is 'options'. Most every necessitated use of a firearm for self defense is different in some or many of the scenarios that we practice on the shooting range to prepare us for an actual event.

All that is a long winded lead up to what I will say about SA/DA semi-autos that come OEM with a non-spurred hammer. Everyone is right that the spurred hammer is not necessary for range. But, what if the scenario developing in front of you is real and not a range exercise. Say you need a very precise placement of a shot to prevent damage to a hostage or yourself? With a little practice one usually can shoot a SA trigger pull more accurately than a DA. Especially in a dangerous, tense situation. Resolving that in my mind and being a pistolsmith when I acquired my first S&W M 3913, I researched S&W parts, found the M 5906 spurred hammer and made the swap. I was very pleased with the results. I have maintained that practice for more than 30 years now. I want/need that option to fire my first shot from a precocked hammer. I don't want to take the chance of a ND while attempting to cock a hammer that does not have a thumb spur. I found that by careful selection of clothes, holster and draw technique and lots of practice I did not have any snags while drawing from concealment.

A word of advice; if one thinks that they being well drilled and competent while practicing martial arts with a handgun is going to assure totally and always proper response in an actual shooting, they are wrong. The muscle memory developed in practice will usually prove its worth. But, the adrenaline surge, tenseness, brain farts, and etc. can throw anyone off. .... Best to have every option available, IMHO.

Practice is invaluable IF one does it perfectly. Do your drills exactly the same each practice session, do them perfectly and stop when you become fatigued. Don't limit yourself to just standing and shooting at a target. Walk, move, squat, kneel, fall down, lie flat on the ground, access multiple targets as to degree of danger from highest to least. Shoot DA, shoot SA, shoot with the off hand a bunch. Practice reloads using only one hand (both). IMO, all of the above is best performed while using a 22 LR conversion kit on your favorite SDH or a 22 LR handgun as close to being a duplicate of your serious handgun as possible.

Sorry to get so long winded, but some of the responses to the original post sort of set me off.

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Have to agree with "BigC"

I added a spurred hammer to my original 3913 in 1992.....

But have to admit to backsliding with my 3913NL;my EDC in my quite Burb of the Burgh it still has the bobbed hammer.

But my Beretta Compacts and Centruions and new 6915s all have full hammers

Muscle memory; developed after shooting thousands of rounds allows you to "shoot the gun" without thinking about shooting the gun ...... as the world seems to slow down around you .... you can focus on tactics.
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Unless you are "open carrying" a firearm, (and if you are not a uniformed LEO, you are probably not) you will be drawing from concealment, and that dictates that your firearm be as "snag-resistant" as possible (bobbed hammer).

Practice, practice, practice double action shooting and if that scenario arises where you need to dispatch a rabid animal at such a distance that requires a carefully aimed, single action, precision shot, you will have more than enough time to cock a bobbed hammer.

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Just a roll pin with a snug fit.

Tap it out of the hammer with an appropriately sized punch.

Easy, peasey.

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I am a well trained self defense shooter and instructor. In addition I spent a second career in law enforcement. Somewhere along the way I became a student of 'nuances' in using firearms for self defense. An aspect of nuances is 'options'. Most every necessitated use of a firearm for self defense is different in some or many of the scenarios that we practice on the shooting range to prepare us for an actual event.

All that is a long winded lead up to what I will say about SA/DA semi-autos that come OEM with a non-spurred hammer. Everyone is right that the spurred hammer is not necessary for range. But, what if the scenario developing in front of you is real and not a range exercise. Say you need a very precise placement of a shot to prevent damage to a hostage or yourself? With a little practice one usually can shoot a SA trigger pull more accurately than a DA. Especially in a dangerous, tense situation. Resolving that in my mind and being a pistolsmith when I acquired my first S&W M 3913, I researched S&W parts, found the M 5906 spurred hammer and made the swap. I was very pleased with the results. I have maintained that practice for more than 30 years now. I want/need that option to fire my first shot from a precocked hammer. I don't want to take the chance of a ND while attempting to cock a hammer that does not have a thumb spur. I found that by careful selection of clothes, holster and draw technique and lots of practice I did not have any snags while drawing from concealment.

A word of advice; if one thinks that they being well drilled and competent while practicing martial arts with a handgun is going to assure totally and always proper response in an actual shooting, they are wrong. The muscle memory developed in practice will usually prove its worth. But, the adrenaline surge, tenseness, brain farts, and etc. can throw anyone off. .... Best to have every option available, IMHO.

Practice is invaluable IF one does it perfectly. Do your drills exactly the same each practice session, do them perfectly and stop when you become fatigued. Don't limit yourself to just standing and shooting at a target. Walk, move, squat, kneel, fall down, lie flat on the ground, access multiple targets as to degree of danger from highest to least. Shoot DA, shoot SA, shoot with the off hand a bunch. Practice reloads using only one hand (both). IMO, all of the above is best performed while using a 22 LR conversion kit on your favorite SDH or a 22 LR handgun as close to being a duplicate of your serious handgun as possible.

Sorry to get so long winded, but some of the responses to the original post sort of set me off.
Not long winded at all. Good info - Thanks.
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Unless you are "open carrying" a firearm, (and if you are not a uniformed LEO, you are probably not) you will be drawing from concealment, and that dictates that your firearm be as "snag-resistant" as possible (bobbed hammer).

Practice, practice, practice double action shooting and if that scenario arises where you need to dispatch a rabid animal at such a distance that requires a carefully aimed, single action, precision shot, you will have more than enough time to cock a bobbed hammer.

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Thanks, John. I do practice double action shooting, and I take your point. I just wanted an additional option. I used to carry my 39-2 and didn't experience a snagging problem, although I understand that it could be an issue.

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Thanks to 4T5GUY, I've got my hammer. Now I'm trying to get myself mentally psyched to try this (I frequently suffer from "analysis paralysis").

I've been relying on bluebelly2's four part 3rd. Gen. YouTube video's (excellent, by the way) to see how it's done. Does anyone have any tips or tricks?
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Well, there are no responses yet but weíll wait a bit more before we give up. Eventually there will be some S&W trained armorers that can help you with your hammer exchange.

Itís a very basic thing to do. It usually takes me longer to take the grips off and get them back on than the actual hammer swap.

Let me know if you need any help, (P.M.,) and weíll get it done. Iíve also talked on the phone to other members that I gave hammers to so this is another option. Iíd be very happy to help you through the swap.

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Thanks to you folks - especially 4T5GUY, I got my spurred hammer installed today.

It went pretty much as expected, after watching YouTube videos until I was blurry-eyed. The biggest problem I had was installing the sear. Both videos show the "hosts" sticking a finger down through the frame to hold it in place while installing the pin or alignment punch. My fingers don't fit through the frame, and it was a real bear to get it in properly. I tried at least a dozen (seemed like 100) times before I was able to catch the hole with a pin (MUCH cursing).

I also had a problem getting the grip back on. Something seemed to hang up the grip from moving vertically - I still don't know what, but after taking my dog out and discussing it with him, I tried it again and got it to go.

I also lucked out and got some decent weather today, and was able to go out and shoot a few rounds to confirm everything is working properly.

I like it! Thanks again.
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Back in the late 1990s I carried a 3913 for a couple of years.
I may never need to manually cock a semi-auto, but I do like to have the option available. So I installed a 5906 hammer in mine. Worked like a charm and to me, it actually looked better.
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Iím glad it went well for you, but Iím extremely happy you got it done yourself. Small steps and all that.

The next time you do anything like that itíll be that much easier.

Iím also happy that you could use the spurred hammer I didnít want anymore.

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So far, I brought my 3913, 4516, & 469 to my Smith for this conversion. It only takes him a few minutes to do it, & most of that time is used for testing the gun after the swap. I would not own these guns as they came from the factory. GARY.
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Am I the only one that doesn’t find “catching” and pulling back a spotless hammer too difficult? I had thought about a mall scenario, we live near the largest in the US and it’s mess at time, where A crow of unruly folks rush the halls. I figure on that scenario, it would be nice to clock that hammer. The spurless have notches and I don’t find it that difficult. If I don’t have time for it, I’m flying DA anyway.
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Am I the only one that doesnít find ďcatchingĒ and pulling back a spotless hammer too difficult? I had thought about a mall scenario, we live near the largest in the US and itís mess at time, where A crow of unruly folks rush the halls. I figure on that scenario, it would be nice to clock that hammer. The spurless have notches and I donít find it that difficult. If I donít have time for it, Iím flying DA anyway.
Maybe. Which gun do you have?

By the time I pull the trigger far enough to be able to "catch" the hammer, I may as well just shoot it. My hammer does not have notches.

But then again, my hammer is not "spotless".
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Am I the only one that doesnít find ďcatchingĒ and pulling back a spotless hammer too difficult? I had thought about a mall scenario, we live near the largest in the US and itís mess at time, where A crow of unruly folks rush the halls. I figure on that scenario, it would be nice to clock that hammer. The spurless have notches and I donít find it that difficult. If I donít have time for it, Iím flying DA anyway.
I find it to be very easy to catch a half-pulled bobbed hammer and cock it, when dry-firing and even at the range from time to time. In an adrenaline-fueled, stressful situation though, I could see it being a much harder thing to do, and therefore I always practice shooting my first shot DAO.

The only gun I have ever missed catching the hammer on in this way is my late-production 457 with a very smooth trigger. It only happened once while dry-firing at home, and was a good lesson on how easily this technique can go wrong.
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