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Old 01-06-2020, 03:03 PM
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A friend at the gun club has offered Me a 52-2 with an experimental 9MM slide and a couple of different barrels. Said it was given to Him by a S&W employee that was in R&D or some such department. Has marked magazines and all the 52 stuff also. Any ideas on the validity of this and if legit, ideas on value. After I shoot it of course.
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Old 01-06-2020, 03:15 PM
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Does it also come with the original .38 Wadcutter top end or no? (Maybe it never had one...?)

As to validity, ANYTHING is totally possible. I would definitely want to see pictures and a serial number range and hear more details and even some name-drops if I were trying to come up with an argument for validity.

As the the idea of 9mm through a 52, we have discussed this a few times and there are a couple points I would make...

It will be my position that a 9mm target gun is a lot easier to find ammo for than a .38 Wadcutter and it will hold more rounds but itís my firm position that nobody is going to alter a 52 to make it shooter 9mm more accurately than it would with .38 Wadcutter unless itís some absolute craftsman genius and if he can do it for less than a couple two or three grand, let me see it! And before we forget, I really want to know about the magazines this pistol will be using. Thatís a side discussion that matters.

And it cannot be ignored ó but the S&W Performance Center did a pretty great job of (somewhat, nearly) doing this project and the result is the Models 952, 952-1 and 952-2. And I own two of them and neither will do on paper what both of my 52-2ís will do, at least not without some magical ammunition elixir that I have not yet discovered.

952ís are phenomenal but if you HAVE one, donít race a 52-2 for pink slips unless your junk gets hauled around in a dump truck.

These are merely my opinions!
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Old 01-06-2020, 03:19 PM
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Oops, value.

If the 9mm stuff is added and at it’s worst you have a complete original 52-2 with .38 slide and barrel and a magazine or two, I can help with market price/“value” of that. The 9mm additives are a shot in the dark for what is likely to be one-off parts that are custom made.

If I were in your shoes and the guy can bring it to a range and you can try both .38 and 9mm out of it, I’d be pretty excited at the range trip. My opening dollar would be based squarely on the known stuff — the original .38 setup. I’d be working upward in $$ from that point.
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Very interested in seeing pics.
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Two weeks ago a friend of mine bought a 52 .38 Special Wadcutter pistol. It came with a Model 39 upper in 9 MM. The previous owner had been on the Illinois State Police Officer who had been on their pistol team. Nice piece and it shoots very well with the 52 upper on it. Not as well with the 39 upper.
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My friend said that once I shoot the 9MM I won't go back to the 38WC as it is that accuraste. The gun has both uppers + xtra barrels and mags. As soon as I get it I will post pics as I am as curious also. Could be a month out, but I am trying for sooner. Thank for Your responses, much appreciated.

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Does it also come with the original .38 Wadcutter top end or no? (Maybe it never had one...?)

As to validity, ANYTHING is totally possible. I would definitely want to see pictures and a serial number range and hear more details and even some name-drops if I were trying to come up with an argument for validity.

As the the idea of 9mm through a 52, we have discussed this a few times and there are a couple points I would make...

It will be my position that a 9mm target gun is a lot easier to find ammo for than a .38 Wadcutter and it will hold more rounds but it’s my firm position that nobody is going to alter a 52 to make it shooter 9mm more accurately than it would with .38 Wadcutter unless it’s some absolute craftsman genius and if he can do it for less than a couple two or three grand, let me see it! And before we forget, I really want to know about the magazines this pistol will be using. That’s a side discussion that matters.

And it cannot be ignored — but the S&W Performance Center did a pretty great job of (somewhat, nearly) doing this project and the result is the Models 952, 952-1 and 952-2. And I own two of them and neither will do on paper what both of my 52-2’s will do, at least not without some magical ammunition elixir that I have not yet discovered.

952’s are phenomenal but if you HAVE one, don’t race a 52-2 for pink slips unless your junk gets hauled around in a dump truck.

These are merely my opinions!
Try these 150 gr LSWC:

09mm 150GR SWC .356 - 1000 count

They work great in my 952 as long as I don't use mixed brass as accuracy suffers. They shoot just as good as anything in my 52 did.

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My friend said that once I shoot the 9MM I won't go back to the 38WC as it is that accuraste. The gun has both uppers + xtra barrels and mags. As soon as I get it I will post pics as I am as curious also. Could be a month out, but I am trying for sooner. Thank for Your responses, much appreciated.
Buy the gun, not the story. Testing it out would be your best and safest bet! If you do pick it up please post pictures so we can dissect it!
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Try these 150 gr LSWC:

09mm 150GR SWC .356 - 1000 count

They work great in my 952 as long as I don't use mixed brass as accuracy suffers. They shoot just as good as anything in my 52 did.
Heh, I may try that, thanks!
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RGPM1A;
What is your load data for the 150gn LSWC bullets you refer to? Do they shoot as "soft" as .38 full wadcutter loads in a 52?
Thanks in advance;
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RGPM1A;
What is your load data for the 150gn LSWC bullets you refer to? Do they shoot as "soft" as .38 full wadcutter loads in a 52?
Thanks in advance;
Mike
150gr Meister LSWC over 3.5 grains of Power Pistol in Winchester case and Federal Primer. OAL 1.120", 870 FPS. They have a bit more recoil than my Hornady 148gr HBWC over 3.3 of Win 231 loads for the 52 going at 780fps. I always preferred slightly faster loads for bullseye because of less reliability issues when the gun got dirty. Also I liked the faster cycling of the slide which for me (at least in my opinion) made up for my sometimes sloppy follow through.
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