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I'm not the seller, and unfortunately, I can't be the buyer, but I did see the 457D for sale.

The ad included the best, and about the only, pictures of a CPD 457D that I've seen.

What I noticed is that the gun has the same sort of hump back trigger that my pre rail 3953TSW has.

This seems to indicate that the gun was not built along the same lines as the 3914DAO that doesn't have that style of trigger.

So, I have to wonder if the 457D has the "second strike" capability that the 3914DAO does?

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Gary, with the S&W pre-staged, DAO rounded hammer, extended slide, and rear set trigger, I'll bet it's a S&W pre-staged, NON second strike action.

Just like most of the S&W DAOs.

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I missed the extended slide, not to mention the rear set trigger.

I should drag out one of my regular 457s and compare them side by side.

The SCSW doesn't even mention this variation. I wonder if the seller would be willing to share the production code and some more pictures? It would certainly be a nice little addition to what we know about this rare variation.

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Gary, with the S&W pre-staged, DAO rounded hammer, extended slide, and rear set trigger, I'll bet it's a S&W pre-staged, NON second strike action.

Just like most of the S&W DAOs.

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Pretty cool model, seen only rarely



These were non-second strike models. Apparently there are a handful of early guns made with second strike made for some lucky CPD folks. I am not aware of the config of the ones that had second strike, I'm guessing they did not have the extended slide as the traditional DAO third guns, like the one in the pic above.
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Mine definitely is not second strike capable.


Like the 3953, it has a hammer that rests in a half-cock position after the slide cycles. It makes for a decent trigger pull by if the slide doesn’t cycle after pulling the trigger the gun is inoperable until the slide is manually cycled.
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Nice pictures. As I mentioned in this thread, the SCSW authors would like your pictures, SN information, and anything else you might want to send them. There's scant knowledge about these guns out there.

BTW, does your box have the label on it? It would be interesting to see what the product code is.

I did a conversion to DOA, but that was by removing the SA notch on the hammer. That gave DAO, but with a very long trigger pull. I eventually converted it back.

Anyway, your pictures show the detail of the DAO hammer and other features of the 457D very well.



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Like the 3953, it has a hammer that rests in a half-cock position after the slide cycles. It makes for a decent trigger pull by if the slide doesnít cycle after pulling the trigger the gun is inoperable until the slide is manually cycled.
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Nice pictures. As I mentioned in this thread, the SCSW authors would like your pictures, SN information, and anything else you might want to send them. There's scant knowledge about these guns out there.

BTW, does your box have the label on it? It would be interesting to see what the product code is.

I did a conversion to DOA, but that was by removing the SA notch on the hammer. That gave DAO, but with a very long trigger pull. I eventually converted it back.

Anyway, your pictures show the detail of the DAO hammer and other features of the 457D very well.
It does have a label but it a little messed up.
Iím happy to let you use my photos. I can take others as well.

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That's just a bit too faded for my eyes.

As to the photos and submission to the SCSW, that's your prerogative. I was just suggesting that you might want to do that. I think that the authors would be interested in nice pictures of a rare variation.



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A little warm air from a hair dryer might loosen that clumsily applied strip of masking tape to reveal the factory end label.

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Fotoman12001, did you ever submit anything to the SCSW for this extremely rare gun?

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Fotoman12001, did you ever submit anything to the SCSW for this extremely rare gun?
I own that 457D now thank's to Fotoman12001.
Have been looking for years for a 457D that wasn't beat up.
And the orig box has the serial number in two places on the surviving part of the label.
Someone messed it up but I can tell it's factory.
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Congratulations on a rare bird. I wonder if any were made and NOT sold to the CPD? Maybe a sample or two.

Is there a product code listed? That too might be of interest to the authors of the SCSW.

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I own that 457D now thank's to Fotoman12001.
Have been looking for years for a 457D that wasn't beat up.
And the orig box has the serial number in two places on the surviving part of the label.
Someone messed it up but I can tell it's factory.
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Congratulations on a rare bird. I wonder if any were made and NOT sold to the CPD? Maybe a sample or two.

Is there a product code listed? That too might be of interest to the authors of the SCSW.
No product code, just the complete serial #'s in two areas on the surviving part of factory label.
(bottom of label on the left and right sides)
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Great thread on an interesting pistol. Anyone know any Chicago coppers still using a 457D? Regards 18DAI
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I know one that does. As I recall, the gun was not very common from what I could see. As we could only carry DA auto's, the more popular 45 was the Sig 220 Compact or Carry which Sig also made and engraved the CPD Star on the slide. Hope that helps and sorry if it doesn't.
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I know one that does. As I recall, the gun was not very common from what I could see. As we could only carry DA auto's, the more popular 45 was the Sig 220 Compact or Carry which Sig also made and engraved the CPD Star on the slide. Hope that helps and sorry if it doesn't.
Would you know in what year did the CPD start issuing the 457D?
I would really like to know how many 457D's were produced for the CPD contract and who were they issued to?
Patrolmen, Sgt's or LT's and up?

I'm born & raised ex-Chicagoan 16th district far N/W side 1631.
I sure do miss the old city.
That's why I searched for and wanted a S&W 457D.
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The City never issued any handgun. We buy our own from a clothing fund we receive. Which means anyone on the job could buy one if they wanted one. Which is why the 457D was really not as popular as the Sig 220 Compact. Most guys just preferred the Sig to the Smith. IIRC, they were authorized sometime in the early to mid 90's. But I do know that a few of the guys carried them and as I said, I know of one that still does. That's about all I can tell you. Sorry.
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PS. The good ole 016th District is probably not the way you remember it depending on when you left. The southern end is bad as all the **** that used to be in 014,015 and 025 started moving up north. The only really nice parts are on the far north side of 016. Edgebrook, Norwood Park, Edison Park aka Cop Land etc. I would not buy a house anywhere south of the Kennedy Expressway were I looking at a home in 016 today. Really a shame.
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I seem to recall that the 457D was a special order for CPD from S&W.
The range guys , I believe, had set it up and there only 1 or 2 opportunities to place an order. Could have been more but not certain.
I got one, sometime in early 90's maybe ..
My guess would be somewhere this side of a couple hundred.
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Thank's for the info on how the 457D's got into the hands of Chicago PD officers BigDaddy7972.
I do keep in touch with old friends and they tell me the same things you have, violent crime is up in Belmont Height's and CPD response times are a joke.
Also a lot of my "you don't need a gun here" friends are now CCW holders and planning on getting out of the city & state upon retirement.

I will be visiting the old neighborhood when the weather warms up in a month or two for some real Chicago food, pizza, Italian beef sandwich's, gyros, shish kabobs, hot dogs and cheeseburgers all with greasy fries washed down with my favorite beverage, Old Style Beer in the bottle.

torizus that couple hundred estimate of your's makes our 457D's a really rare model.
Now I really do have to get that gun lettered.
I'll pass on the info when I get it.
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That was just a 30 year old guesstimate , I reached out to a guy that should know the CPD story but very possible, the D series may have a lot more beyond CPD.

Don't pass up Gene & Judes, still there but so many of the " memorable" places have changed or moved on.

The area has done a 180 compared to pre millennial times.
BigDaddy7972 was spot on and yes the response time could be 3 to 5 tomes longer than you would remember, primary reason is that district went from pron 350+ coppers to maybe less than 200 not including O'Hare.
I will say this though, those there now do try their best to do what has to be done with what they have. I was very skeptical 10 years ago when I saw the manpower drain but have seen what I consider a valiant effort under those circumstances.
Tact teams exist but from what I understand. they report to the westside daily and rarely seen at night.
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I'm not the seller, and unfortunately, I can't be the buyer, but I did see the 457D for sale.

The ad included the best, and about the only, pictures of a CPD 457D that I've seen.

What I noticed is that the gun has the same sort of hump back trigger that my pre rail 3953TSW has.

This seems to indicate that the gun was not built along the same lines as the 3914DAO that doesn't have that style of trigger.

So, I have to wonder if the 457D has the "second strike" capability that the 3914DAO does?

Inquiring minds want to know. To coin a phrase.

Had to go check mine (VJB03XX) as I seem to have forgotten if it had double strike and it does not.
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Had to go check mine (VJB03XX) as I seem to have forgotten if it had double strike and it does not.
I didn't have to get mine outta the safe to check.
The serial # is clearly shown in fotomans pics
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The only times I avoided Gene's & Jude's were when the Des Plaines river overflowed it's banks and flooded (3-4 ft) inside the joint.
J&D's opened up a couple of days after the water resided.
Mickey D's cleaned up for a month.

Jimmy's Red Hots (Pulaski & Grand Ave) has been my favorite since I was cutting classes at Prosser Voc.
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Belmont Heights. The old hood. Moved from there to Norwood Park. 016. Used to be around 400 cops assigned to that District. But now it's now down to -200 and counting. Plus, as you said, most of the tac and gang guys are sent west on the weekends. Now they want to take 5-6 cops (per District ) out of the Districts and send them to patrol the tubes and the L. Jimmy's. The City does not want to hire cops or properly equip them so rather than hire, they detail guys out or pay them OT to work their days off. One day this is all going to come crashing down on them and God help those that buy into the City's bs and have not armed themselves. Jimmy's. I still say that is the best dog anywhere, even better IMHO than Gene and Jude's although they are a close second. Prosser. Went there a long,long time ago.

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