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I have no problem packing my 5906 in a Bianchi IWB. It's different when it's warmer, I usually have a more compact edc.

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Right now, I am in the 'winter carry' mode so I have the Model 6946 in an IWB holster and under a light jacket. When it warms up a little, I will go back to my Model 3913 which has been slightly modified. I usually carry one extra magazine, but feel less compelled to do so with the 6946.
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A CS9 with TercGen grips occasionally. A very ergonomic package with enough kick to count.

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Update: Here she (4566TSW) is with new shoes on and together with her cousins in a family photo of the 3rd gen collection (so far).
Woah, hold on a second.....where did you find a stainless, .45 TSW with a machined rail?
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Update: Here she (4566TSW) is with new shoes on and together with her cousins in a family photo of the 3rd gen collection (so far).
Totally sweet, 03Hemi! Stainless finish with integral rail 4566TSW in an anniversary edition for the Fresno County Sheriff's Office! I don't remember ever seeing one, much less anything else in a stainless integral rail Smith 45ACP. You scored on that one!
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Beautiful integral rail 4566TSW 03hemi! Congrats!

Are those Nills grips on it? I need to get a set of those for my Melonite 4566s. Regards 18DAI
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Old 02-04-2020, 09:44 AM
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Woah, hold on a second.....where did you find a stainless, .45 TSW with a machined rail?
Did this blind squirrel just find an acorn?
I got it at one of my gun dealers and it came with an original S&W blue box marked FRESNO Sheriffs Office...unfortunately the armorer just started grabbing guns and didn't match any pairs (understandably) plus 7 mags.
They're not Nill grips, but KDS from Turkey.
So how rare is the stainless integral rail 4566, I wasn't aware it was a "thing?"
The box has a cut-out for what looks like a plaque or something, but I can't find it.
I knew the Fresno was somewhat a rare bird when I did a search for it and not much would come up, but I don't now any production numbers.
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Yea, I'd say you found an acorn!

Very scarce pistol. There were a batch made as sales samples, back around the time the CHP made its buy of 4006TSWs with integral rail.

And IIRC, Fresno County and another CA Agency purchased some. Not a gun you come across often. At all! Congrats on a nice score! Regards 18DAI
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Yea, I'd say you found an acorn!

Very scarce pistol. There were a batch made as sales samples, back around the time the CHP made its buy of 4006TSWs with integral rail.

And IIRC, Fresno County and another CA Agency purchased some. Not a gun you come across often. At all! Congrats on a nice score! Regards 18DAI
Nice to hear!
Hey, I'm putting a value on all my guns for a rider on my insurance coverage for my home owners so what do you think that gun "could" bring on the open market?
Thanks 18.
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Well......I'm not a collector, just an end user. I would expect to pay $950 to $1000+, locally, for an integral rail, stainless 4566TSW. With box/docs/3 mags. A little less without those extras.

Hope that helps. Regards 18DAI
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Well......I'm not a collector, just an end user. I would expect to pay $950 to $1000+, locally, for an integral rail, stainless 4566TSW. With box/docs/3 mags. A little less without those extras.

Hope that helps. Regards 18DAI
Yes it does, appreciate the feedback. Definitely more than I anticipated, I just need to know an approximation for "replacement cost" and if I can show scarcity that helps.
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I don't think I've ever suggested this before, but that 4566 might be worth the $75.00 for a Jinks letter.

It's a beauty of a firearm and and a rare variation. The only mention in the SCSW is that WVSP bought some, but nothing about any other department.
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I don't think I've ever suggested this before, but that 4566 might be worth the $75.00 for a Jinks letter.

It's a beauty of a firearm and and a rare variation. The only mention in the SCSW is that WVSP bought some, but nothing about any other department.
Considering what I paid for it, $75.00 bucks would be well worth it. Do I go to S&W for that? There's nothing on line about the Fresno 4566's worth mentioning.
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Okay, silly question: you are talking 3RD Gen S&W. What generation are my 39-2's???
I may be wrong, please correct me if I am, but I believe the 39's were the first gens RoadRat.
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Considering what I paid for it, $75.00 bucks would be well worth it. Do I go to S&W for that? There's nothing on line about the Fresno 4566's worth mentioning.
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03hemi, thanks. I know nothing of "generations" so just thought I would ask!
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Hey Road Rat, fwiw. The 3rds gens were the last of the all steel or steel and aluminum autos they made for main production before going to the Tupperwear guns they crank out now, that's one of the reasons they're so coveted. The 39's and 59's are highly regarded and very desirable too. The 39 was the first American production pistol to use the Walther style slide mounted de-cocker Sig is famous for, but Walther did it first.
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Okay, silly question: you are talking 3RD Gen S&W. What generation are my 39-2's???
Same as the 59
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Here's a helpful guide of the 1st,2nd,3rd Gen Models published by Lucky Gunner:
https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/g...omatic-models/
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A 3913 was my primary off duty gun for about the last 15 yrs. I carried it in a Milt Sparks Summer Special 2. I traded a mossberg shotgun for it in the 90's from a cop that used it as his duty gun. Yes, I typed that correctly. It was his duty gun carried in a duty holster. Lol

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A few days ago, I carried my 4506 in my newly acquired Miami Classic, just for reasons. So, I guess I can be put into the camp of actually using 3rd Gen pistols, at least a little.

Use whatever you want, I for one don't care. However, please don't bring down the collective intelligence of the board by claiming polymer framed pistols are cheap or shoddy. They've obviously proven their worth over the last three plus decades. I choose to spend my own money elsewhere. But, I've been issued them for decades and put them to their intended use and they are excellent tools for an unpleasant job. Admitted bias is one thing, juvenile ignorance really shouldn't be promoted.
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Right now just collecting. 4513 4013 3913 all TSW. 5906 2- 3906 3904 0n its way,various 3913. I blame it all on this sight and 18DAI and Fastbolt. Had ankle surgery in 2011 and was bored found this place and was addicted!! All good and my thanks to all, Kennna
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Age and stage have dictated that I find something lighter to tote around than my Third Generation pistols. I never thought I would be a SIG enthusiast, but I have adopted the P938 and am practicing with it a lot.

At the same time this was going on, I was saddened that in response to a thread I saw on another site "What Gun Do You Carry?" nobody responded with with one of these pistols. There was a twinge of nostalgia for those innocent days when the 3913 Ladysmith was considered the gold standard for the well-armed gentleman.

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Hey Road Rat, fwiw. The 3rds gens were the last of the all steel or steel and aluminum autos they made for main production before going to the Tupperwear guns they crank out now, that's one of the reasons they're so coveted.
I'm not trying to be "THAT GUY" to take a snippet and boldly try to correct it, that isn't my intention! But I want to say that many times, folks have asked "why oh why did S&W kill off production of the 3rd Gen pistols?" and this leads to my version of the argument.

The 3rd Gens were the last of the all steel or steel/alloy they made for main production EXCEPT the 1911 line that is really fairly new to S&W.

I have made the argument that if S&W hadn't been drawn in to the 1911 cash cow of the last 20+ years, there is a chance that we might still have our beloved 3rd Gen pistols.

It's my belief and argument that there was too damn much money available on the market for 1911 sales that S&W could not ignore it. They had to jump in just like all the 128 other manufacturers selling 1911 pistols because MONEY MONEY MONEY and easy slam-dunk sales.

S&W makes a tonnage of Tupperware for contract sales, for duty/service and smaller ones that are very popular for concealed carry and personal defense. And S&W continues to make significant money in 1911 pistols.

Something had to go to make way and it was the DA/SA 3rd Gens that got pushed aside.

It does make one wonder... Sig continues to have success in metal framed DA/SA guns and CZ makes, in my opinion, the best metal framed non-1911 pistol of anyone currently, it makes you ask if S&W would have a reason to compete once again in the DA/SA metal framed pistol market.

Based on the QC we see from their currently made rimfire guns, their revolvers and a lot of their polymer guns, I would rather NOT S&W embarrass our favorite platform and make them again today, because I believe the quality is dwindling in Springfield.

That's just my take.
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I would add AR platform rifles to the 1911. There is money in both, but both take up significant amounts of CNC machine time.

Since the 3rd Gen guns were mostly for the LE market, S&W replaced them with the M&P guns so that they could compete.

There was just no benefit (to them) in continuing the 3rd Gen guns in production.

If you ever gone to the NRA Annual Meetings and walked the exhibit hall you have seen that just about everyone makes a 1911 and an AR platform gun. Several different ones in fact. Colt (of course), S&W, Sig, Taurus, Ruger, Springfield, and on and on. They must sell or so many companies wouldn't be making them.

As it happens, I was at the range today wringing out my new MC1sc. There was only one other shooter there and he asked me what I was shooting. I showed him the Mossberg, which he hadn't even heard of. He liked it and might buy one.

He asked me what else I shot and I told him about the 3rd Gens. I then showed him the pre rail 3913TSW that is my regular carry gun. He was absolutely astonished that S&W had ever made such a well engineered and beautiful firearm.

He had a Beretta 92 on his hip and I mentioned the 5906 to him. I told him that they were no longer in production and getting harder to come by.



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I'm not trying to be "THAT GUY" to take a snippet and boldly try to correct it, that isn't my intention! But I want to say that many times, folks have asked "why oh why did S&W kill off production of the 3rd Gen pistols?" and this leads to my version of the argument.

The 3rd Gens were the last of the all steel or steel/alloy they made for main production EXCEPT the 1911 line that is really fairly new to S&W.

I have made the argument that if S&W hadn't been drawn in to the 1911 cash cow of the last 20+ years, there is a chance that we might still have our beloved 3rd Gen pistols.

It's my belief and argument that there was too damn much money available on the market for 1911 sales that S&W could not ignore it. They had to jump in just like all the 128 other manufacturers selling 1911 pistols because MONEY MONEY MONEY and easy slam-dunk sales.

S&W makes a tonnage of Tupperware for contract sales, for duty/service and smaller ones that are very popular for concealed carry and personal defense. And S&W continues to make significant money in 1911 pistols.

Something had to go to make way and it was the DA/SA 3rd Gens that got pushed aside.

It does make one wonder... Sig continues to have success in metal framed DA/SA guns and CZ makes, in my opinion, the best metal framed non-1911 pistol of anyone currently, it makes you ask if S&W would have a reason to compete once again in the DA/SA metal framed pistol market.

Based on the QC we see from their currently made rimfire guns, their revolvers and a lot of their polymer guns, I would rather NOT S&W embarrass our favorite platform and make them again today, because I believe the quality is dwindling in Springfield.

That's just my take.
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I’m most definitely NOT a 1911 hater, I am miles from it. I really enjoy them but I simply prefer S&W (real) PC guns much more. Even still, I’ve got a half dozen 1911 pistols and I love the ones that I have and I’ve weeded out the ones I didn’t need. (with only a couple half regrets! )

My point? I’m sure there could or even will be another 1911 in my future but the truth is, I emit a loud SIGH just about every single time someone debuts a new 1911 to the market.
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A couple other that get carried some times are a 325 Nightgaurd, a 432 Airweight and a Seecamp 380.
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Carrying a 6906. I did a few tweaks and tests to get it feeling like my Berettas and so far, so good. It's lighter than my M9A1 Compact and about the same weight as my M&P 2.0 Compact. It's a sweet little shooter.
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Occasionally I pack this bad boy ...

4566. It's a ex-cop trade-in gun from some years back. I had it cleaned up and hard chromed.
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I carry a 3914DAO quite regularly. I'm constantly impressed with its accuracy. It was one of the last to be made, 2015 manufacture for the NYPD.

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I have four 3rd Gens, but the only one that's in my carry rotation is my CS9D. I love it, but the size/weight to firepower ratio is less than ideal, especially compaired to my Kahr PM45.
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I sometimes carry my 4003, I would carry it a lot if it the damn plastic pocket sized 9mm’s were not so GD easy to carry!
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Picked up a LNIB 6904 this month, and a LNIB 3913. Got mag extenders for both, and found 4 12 round mags for the 6904. Pics when I can. Loaded with Federal non +P 124 gr HST.
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1006 in Safariland laminate pancake is the daily rider.

The 3rd gens were the result of decades of development by S&W when they were the General Motors of guns. They made a service pistol that stands up to the abuse that only beat cops could devise. So far I haven't found a way to make it not work that isn't genuinely malicious.

Having said that, I still worry every day about all the things folks have talked about that could take it away from me. Right now I'm looking for someone who makes metal base pads to keep my magazines in service.
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The ad posted above by Guevera mentions a "proprietary trigger pull monitor". What is that referring to?
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Some family members and some EDC ones.
5906 4013
5904 3913
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The ad posted above by Guevera mentions a "proprietary trigger pull monitor". What is that referring to?
The finely calibrated finger of Roy Jinks, of course!

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If 2nd Generation's count, I carry my 645 daily.
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Hell yes it counts, I made sure to wedge my 2nd Gen Model 469 in to the conversation way back on page one of this thread!
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