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Old 02-17-2020, 05:17 PM
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I have a brand new m41 purchased December 2019. 300 rounds through it. The extractor seems misaligned within extractor cavity at the breech-face. See attached photos. S&W service had it for 4 week and sent it back with replaced recoil spring!? The CR told me that everything else was expected wear&tear! Is this really possible? I have number of SW firearms and have never seen extractor hitting the cavity edge like that. Perhaps I am expecting too much from a 50 years old design?

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That isn't right and you need to insist on a repair. Best of luck!
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That would not be right on any properly machined and fitted pistol, S&W or otherwise.
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Demonstrated fact that the 50+ year old design is not the problem. The shoddy manufacturing and missing QC is today’s virus in Springfield. Their customer service has often been the saving grace but these days it often reflects their QC.
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There should be a circular clearance cut for the cartridge rim and extractor. Yours does not appear to have it. And the feed ramp looks awful. I think someone called it 'good enough' before the barrel was finish machined.
Here's what it should look like.
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Demonstrated fact that the 50+ year old design is not the problem. The shoddy manufacturing and missing QC is today’s virus in Springfield. Their customer service has often been the saving grace but these days it often reflects their QC.
I couldn't agree more. There is basically no QC at S&W. I bought a brand new Model 41 around 2012 and the frame, barrel and slide were all misaligned. It was sent back to S&W because the warranty centre here said that there is no way they could even fix it. Took almost 3 years to get it replaced only to receive another one with the worse bluing ever. It looked like they forgot to decrease it first and was spotty all over. The end of the barrel was also damaged. Sold it for a huge loss and will never buy another S&W again.
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I couldn't agree more. There is basically no QC at S&W. I bought a brand new Model 41 around 2012 and the frame, barrel and slide were all misaligned. It was sent back to S&W because the warranty centre here said that there is no way they could even fix it. Took almost 3 years to get it replaced only to receive another one with the worse bluing ever. It looked like they forgot to decrease it first and was spotty all over. The end of the barrel was also damaged. Sold it for a huge loss and will never buy another S&W again.
I feel for you and what you bought was a disgrace on S&W's part. No matter what new firearm I'm purchasing, I give it a thorough going over before I lay my coin on the counter.
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S&W also has to eventually hire the kids that we decided should get participation trophies. I am confident that your gun will be made right eventually and feel sorry for your inconvenience in not having what should come out of the box. Fact is, we get the quality and QC that we collectively choose to pay for. When we reward that type of quality we say that we miss (put our money where our mouths are), S&W will comply.

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QC starts at the top. Apparently, what's happening now is S&W's current corporate policy.
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My 1970s Model 41 is a jewel.
When you get tired of dealing with the corporate warranty clerk, pay a real gunsmith. This high volume shooter knows who to call.
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Send that thing back ! The machining in the same area on my $300 Ruger MKIII with north of 15000 rounds, is far better than that.
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Perhaps I am expecting too much from a 50 years old design?

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You are not. But next time you buy a 50 year design... Buy a 50-40 year gun.
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I think the price just went up on my 1964 vintage.
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Thanks, bought this one online because nobody had one in stock. Noticed that the barrel, frame and slide were misaligned as soon as I opened the box. Called the place I bought it from and they refused to take it back or exchange it. Told me I had to send it BC for warranty. Long story short, paid almost $1600 for it and was unfired by me, sent it for warranty and took 3 years to get it replaced. Never fired the replacement because I was so pi$$ed off getting a 2nd bad one and sold it on CGN for a huge loss.
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Send that thing back ! The machining in the same area on my $300 Ruger MKIII with north of 15000 rouinds, is far better than that.
There was no way I was going to send it back for warranty/replacement and go through this BS again. It would turn into a 6 year process and who knows if they will send you a good one or not. I'm in Canada not the US and it takes forever for them to send it back across the border.
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Looks like it was cut a bit off center. I had to fix the cut out in my 41 purchased about a year ago. Mine was not off center but just not deep enough along with being a bit cocked. The right file and about an hour should get it fixed.
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Thanks, bought this one online because nobody had one in stock. Noticed that the barrel, frame and slide were misaligned as soon as I opened the box. Called the place I bought it from and they refused to take it back or exchange it. Told me I had to send it BC for warranty. Long story short, paid almost $1600 for it and was unfired by me, sent it for warranty and took 3 years to get it replaced. Never fired the replacement because I was so pi$$ed off getting a 2nd bad one and sold it on CGN for a huge loss.
Sorry that you had such a negative experience. I have over a dozen third and a second generation S&Ws gathered used from pawn shops, local gun shops, Cabella's, and one from the internet and all of them have been flawless (after a good cleaning). Good luck with whatever you buy now.
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Quick update guys - received my m41 from S&W repair center second time. They acknowledged that "the extractor is gouging slide". They returned the pistol with the same gouged barrel/breech face and the extractor is still sticking. Not sure if I should call and send it in third time - it's a 3 weeks wait. Amazingly lousy service, they really don't giove a damn. As somebody suggested, I should probably take this to a gunsmith and have them widen the extractor channel.
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Sorry to hear this has not been resolved. Do you have a way of checking the alignment of the casing recess in the boltface with the chamber?? It looks like the cutaway in the barrel for the extractor is low enough, but perhaps the barrel itself is not sitting low enough in the frame? Maybe the barrel itself has not been fit properly in the frame cavity? (low enough) Is that a possibility?
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I just bought an older model 41 with a Millett red dot scope. It's been used a lot but not worn out. It is a single shot with standard ammo and only works properly with CCI Velocitor. A little oil helped but not much. Going to try cleaning next. Any suggestions?
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I have an older 41, number A135683, how do I find the year of production?
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I just bought an older model 41 with a Millett red dot scope. It's been used a lot but not worn out. It is a single shot with standard ammo and only works properly with CCI Velocitor. A little oil helped but not much. Going to try cleaning next. Any suggestions?
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I wonder if it would help to send some photographs of the issue to Clark Custom? They have a custom shop, and have been gunsmithing the Model 41 for a long time. They may be able to help resolve the issue for you, and make the gun reliable.

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You paid good money for a perfect gun. I would accept nothing less from S&W that what I paid for. Send it back to the Pres. of the company with a note. Is this the best you got?
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My 1979 M41 that has had tens of thousands of rounds through it looks to be in far better shape than the new one you have. I'd raise hell with them (politely of course) but that is just NOT right!
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