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I ran across a SW 1046 w/mag no box. Condition is very nice.
How much is to much to pay ? I understand they are difficult to come by.
He is thinking in the range of $3,500.00 Does this seem reasonable or out of line ?
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Old 05-18-2020, 11:20 AM
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Only seen one ever sell on GB and it brought 5225 with box and papers.
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I ran across a SW 1046 w/mag no box. Condition is very nice.
How much is to much to pay ? I understand they are difficult to come by.
He is thinking in the range of $3,500.00 Does this seem reasonable or out of line ?
Where is it? I'll go check it out for you.
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That makes things a little easier to consider
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The one that just sold as I recall had no box, just the gun..Based on previous sales that is not a bad price.. Only 151 made.. I paid 1200 for the first one and 3300 for my second both with matching box.

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Thanks for the info. Guess I'll be reaching under the mattress for some
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The market is a funny animal that cannot always be explained rationally. If anyone thinks that the true Performance Center Limited guns are overpriced, the real market for the 1046 should change your mind.

I think $3,500 for a 1046 without original box is bat guano crazy, but the market likely says it is legitimate.
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if you dont get it please let me know where I may find it
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That would fill a hole in my safe also.
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At that price I will take a picture of one and put it in my safe!
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I don't see the desire for this gun, (although I do have 2) the third gen DAO's were not popular. I see the same thing with the FBI 1076 I have one and three standard ones. To me there is no appreciable difference from the two guns other a than the mag release yet "FBI" makes it highly desirable at twice the value..
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I don't see the desire for this gun, (although I do have 2) the third gen DAO's were not popular. I see the same thing with the FBI 1076 I have one and three standard ones. To me there is no appreciable difference from the two guns other a than the mag release yet "FBI" makes it highly desirable at twice the value..
And with all due respect Aegis, that is because you already have two of the 151 that were made.
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I don't see the desire for this gun, (although I do have 2) the third gen DAO's were not popular. I see the same thing with the FBI 1076 I have one and three standard ones. To me there is no appreciable difference from the two guns other a than the mag release yet "FBI" makes it highly desirable at twice the value..
What is the mag release difference? I have not heard of this. Do you mean that it can fire with the magazine not inserted?
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Yes civilian S&W won't fire with the mag removed.. LE agencies could order so the gun would fire most would have the caution statement on the slide. You can modify the civilian models for the same function.

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And with all due respect Aegis, that is because you already have two of the 151 that were made.
Oh I agree guilty as charged.. I see your in Idaho what part North or south??
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Yes civilian S&W won't fire with the mag removed.. LE agencies could order so the gun would fire most would have the caution statement on the slide. You can modify the civilian models for the same function.
As I said I am familiar. Is there a mag real ease difference?
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Roy Jinks published the 151 number in a factory letter a handful of years back. If not for that, a 1046 would probably go for a few hundred more than a similarly packaged and outfitted 1006.

There are some tangible and intrinsic reasons behind most of what we see in the market. And then in some cases... things go a little stupid.

There are similar examples of market oddities. Those extended, extra-capacity 10mm magazines are definitely in this arena also.
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Oh I agree guilty as charged.. I see your in Idaho what part North or south??
In Boise; greatest place Iíve ever lived.
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I'm in between Sandpoint and Coeur d' Alene. Very happy in North Idaho really like the four seasons. Farragut range is 10 minutes away run by IFG..I am an RSO there.
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Caldwell checking in. I just picked up a 4536TSW (pre-rail) with the box and three magazines today and I'm pleased. A 1046 would be a real find, but I think it might exceed my budget.
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4536 are rare not too many of those made..Cool find. I'm looking for a 4586 marked "ISP"..

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4536 are rare not too many of those made..Cool find. I'm looking for a 4586 marked "ISP"..
When dad retired in 94 from ISP he received his as a retirement gift. He passed away in 2016 and it is now in my possession. As you probably figured out it isn't for sale.
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[QUOTE=Checkman;140781811]When dad retired in 94 from ISP he received his as a retirement gift. He passed away in 2016 and it is now in my possession. As you probably figured out it isn't for sale.[/QUOTE

Yeah I would not sell it either, I have an unmarked 4586. I shot it recently and discovered I like it. I'll keep looking one should show up eventually. There must be a few hundred out there someplace.
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Yeah I would not sell it either, I have an unmarked 4586. I shot it recently and discovered I like it. I'll keep looking one should show up eventually. There must be a few hundred out there someplace.
I've come across a couple at gun shows and I remember that the old Boise Gun Company had one for sale for many months about ten years ago. Sadly BGC is no more. I've also seen one for sale on Gun Broker in the past. You're right they are out there.
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I have been to the shows at Post Falls and CD'A have not seen one yet, I also check gun broker frequently.
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Were the 1046s a limited run for just a single agency? Even the 1086 seems to have had 10x the production.
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The 1046 was (reportedly) not intended to have been produced... until a nuclear facility made a request and contracted for them. Something went awry and the contract was canceled and the unintended model was stopped in production and the 151 that were made were just sent out and ďgotten rid of.Ē

Believe me, I totally understand the draw and desire for the extremely rare gun. Iím fortunate enough to own a S&W pistol that is even more rare than the 1046. But the 10mm 3rd Gens were made with three distinct systems and in two sizes. The 1046 is the size I like less and the system I like least.

The one I like best is the large size traditional system ó and this works out great for me as the 1006 was the most plentiful of all six variants.

I opine about the market a LOT. Guess I find it therapeutic. But itís hard to pick exactly the right word to describe how I feel about the 1046ís place in the market. ďAnnoyingĒ isnít the perfect word but itís in close proximity.
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The pistol is exceptionally rare, but this makes it a collector's pistol, not necessarily a pistol worth having. You have to assess your priorities when you see firearms like this. Are you purchasing it as an investment and don't intend to fire it? Is this for the pleasure of taking to the range? $3,500 bucks is outrageous for a single-stack semi-auto pistol unless it has some serious gravitas, like Hitler's PPK or Patton's Ivory-handled revolvers. The recent sale of a 1046 for over 5K was truly unbelievable and spawned an active thread here discussing the price until the admins felt it was a breach of TOS and shut it down. I can't see a 1046 being worth that much except to someone with more money than sense. In the end, its just a 10mm single-stack semi-auto DAO.
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It seems to me that if I was REALLY attracted to the mid-size and the DAO in a 10mm, I might try to get the guts needed and alter a 1076 to make up my own 1046. That is no substitute for owning a 1046 if you have the collector’s bug, but it is certainly more affordable.
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I'll always be in the market for one but I will never be willing to spend less than HALF what that one on GB went for, so I've accepted the fact that I will likely never own one.

In regards to the 1046s "place" in the S&W market, each niche of S&Ws seems to have a cult following, one of the strongest being the 10xx collectors. I don't consider myself a "collector" of them because I only really like 2 of the models (1076 and 1086) and my other interests are in 10xx pistols that were never made which is why I did a 4053 10mm conversion.

With a pistol as rare as the 1046, and with it being the holy grail of 10xx collecting, it's no surprise that prices are insane. Someone once told me that you can never pay too much for a vintage S&W... only too soon. Well IMO $5K+ for a 1046 is about 20 years too soon. That price makes the 1046 basically unattainable for your average accumulator and bumps the 1046 up into the lower echelon of ELITE status as far as S&W collecting IMO.

As far as the design and function of the 1046, for me personally, it seems like an excellent combat pistol. Some people hate DAO guns, and especially DAO semi autos. Personally I prefer DAO for a self defense weapon. I just really like them. For someone who carries lots of revolvers it makes the ability to train with both in DA a very simple transition with virtually no change in function or muscle memory, with the only difference being no ability to cock back into SA with the 1046.

This being said, the 1086 seems to be a better choice in every way. A little lighter, a little more common and affordable, smaller. But it's the scarcity driving the price, not the practicality, so I digress.

Just some random cup o' coffee and a cigarette thoughts by yours truly.
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I always find the moral outrage that can spring up when it comes to the prices involving collectibles to be interesting. If it's something that a person just wants to have then practicality and the cost involved are not factors.

I once spent a $1,000 for a Mauser C/96 Broomhandle-Bolo pistol. It has seen use and the bore isn't pristine, but I have wanted one for literally decades. It was for sale and I had the money. It was breathtaking to spend that much, but I did. I have fired it exactly once and I don't care. I own a Mauser Broomhandle. Also money is a very relative thing.

I purchased a Smith & Wesson 4513TSW(pre-rail) a couple days ago for $500.00. A fair price for the pistol, three magazines and the carrying case. In 1997 .when the pistol was made, $500 was the equivlant of $5,000 because I don't earn what I earn now. My wife and I also had two small children in 1997. Now $500 isn't bad at all for the occassional used gun purchase. For some people $5,000 is the equivalent of $500. It has nothing to do with sense and everything to do with economics, need and want. Sometimes you spend the money on things you need (toilet paper, food and prescription medications)and sometimes it things that you want. For example I own three model 19s with three different barrel lengths because I like the idea of owning three Model 19s with three different barrel lengths. Practicality has nothing to do with it. It's my understanding that is what retail is all about.
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ďmoral outrageĒ, I canít figure HOW such a term applies to this discussion. My annoyance with the 1046ís market price is based upon comparison to what I would argue are far better guns made in the same era by the same company. And when I say far better, I have zero intention of slagging the 1046, Iím just talking about hand fit goodness in the Performance Center guns.

Itís all relative.
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ďmoral outrageĒ, I canít figure HOW such a term applies to this discussion. My annoyance with the 1046ís market price is based upon comparison to what I would argue are far better guns made in the same era by the same company. And when I say far better, I have zero intention of slagging the 1046, Iím just talking about hand fit goodness in the Performance Center guns.

Itís all relative.
I wasn't referring to you. I understand what you were saying in your post.
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