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Following a couple of threads about M5906 modifications by BMCM and guzzitaco, I got motivated to take my police trade-in M5906 out and kinda just give it a look and see if I'd like it more if it had a different finish or some such.



I thought to myself, hmm, maybe a mirror finish here and cold bluing there? Nice, I'll do that.
So, I took my brand-new sight pusher out, took the gun all apart, hand cleaned her, and here's where I am right now: unsure of what to do next.


I know I'm not putting her back to how she was, nor do I want her to look like new (with bead blast), but I also don't want to permanently ruin her looks.

A question I have is that can "cold bluing" be reversed? Can mistakes like smudges be easily corrected? Sorry if it sounds like a totally stupid question but I'd like to hear some sound advice before do something I might regret.

Btw, I have zip experience when it comes to this kind of stuff but have a pretty good way with following instructions.

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Wow, you're way more organized than me. I just dump all the bits in a bucket.

Cold blueing or any blueing for that matter only works on carbon steel. That gizmo you have there is 410 stainless so blueing won't take on that. Your choices are an applied coating (spray paint), plated finish (hard chrome or nickel), or a form of case hardening known as salt bath nitriding (melonite, isonite, tenifer, nitron et. al.), or black oxide finish (a chemical/acid dip similar to bluing but for stainless alloys).

I'm probably gonna send mine off for nitriding once I'm done fiddling with the fiddly bits.

For what it's worth, nitriding is not a coating. It is a case hardening process wherein the steel parts are immersed in a bath of molten cyanide salts through which nitrogen gas is bubbled. The finished part is left with a supremely hard satin black surface layer.

Then again, there's nothing wrong with leaving it alone or perhaps freshen up the finish with a mixed media blast. The secret sauce for replicating the factory finish is this stuff here...
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For blasting you'll want to fashion a cork of sorts to protect the front face and inside bore of the barrel bushing from the abrasive media.

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Bluing, either hot or cold, doesn't work on stainless steel. If you want contrasting colors, you can either swap in some carbon steel parts or you could look into something like black chrome plating or nitriding, expect to pay a premium for plating. Products like Ceracoat and KG-Gunkote can be used to "paint" stainless steel.

The easiest way to create contrast with stainless steel is to use media blasting and varying degrees of metal polishing to create varying degrees of shine.
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Sorry, but that's just me. You have what looks like a nice specimen and not what I would consider a candidate for refinish or modification. Maybe start slowly with a different grip, then swap stainless controls for blued, or swap blued hammer/trigger for stainless? It can be interesting to try different combinations to find something that has a sharp look that appeals to you.

I'll bet a blued slide from a 5904 could be installed and you'd have a pretty sweet 2-tone pistol.

You did a great job with disassembly! My luck, I would end up missing a few springs or pins when all was said and done. You say you have zip experience but I admire your can-do attitude. Love to hear what ideas other members have.

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Good job on the disassembly. Now, put it back together and don't ruin a perfectly good pistol.
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He certainly wont be ruining an extremely common and easily replaced 5906. S&W made a blue million of them, and wanting his to be different wont ruin a thing. If you want YOUR 5906 kept stock, you should keep YOUR pistol stock.
I admire the work people do, when they take their time and do a nice job it is always a treat to see what some will do with their guns.
I recommend melonite if you want it black. Always comes back looking mighty slick.
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Hi Prochi2k,

I agree with Squidsix...it is your gun, if you would like to modify it to serve a specific purpose and you think is the right fit...then do it...

I like BMCM comment...maybe a blasting job will restore to its original glory...

there is a great thread about blasting:
Glass Bead Media Testing on 5906 Frame

I built a "rudimentary" blasting cabinet, since I didn't want to waste the media. (I posted some pics in my SSV Frankengun thread...if need help PM me.) I strongly suggest you wear a breathing mask and googles if you are going to media blast.

Another thing to consider in a M5906 is perhaps a trigger job. For this perhaps is a good idea to send it to a gunsmith. Some 3rd gens have a very gritty trigger that benefits from stoning the radius os the hammer, BMCM has a couple of threads about the do's and don't on this subject. I suggest you read them.

If you want a two tone gun, finding a M5904 or a M6904 slide could be an options. Years ago I didn't like two tone guns...today I am obsessed with them...

enjoy your project...

PS: forget the trigger job...you have MIM parts...your trigger must be nice and smooth...

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Thanks everyone for the good info and advice!
Scratch bluing then!
It's a bummer tho, Here I thought I'd end up with a Pinto looking M5906, lol!
I'm still searching for ideas on what to do. I'm definitely not putting her back to her old looks, of that I'm positive, and paint is not an option.
I don't know, I might be stuck here for a while.
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Keep us posted! In the end it's yours to do with as you please of course. I had suggested parts replacement to start with over refinishing/modification since it's simple, and can always be reversed if you want with no adverse affects on the gun. Plus, you'll always have the value of the parts you bought for it.

Refinishing and/or modification can get expensive, time consuming, and frustrating even for the experienced. But hey, if you love to tinker and have the equipment and know-how, you can learn a lot, hone your skills, and end up with something really unique you can be proud of! Unfortunately for every success story I'm sure there are at least as many stories of "tinkerers remorse".
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Thanks everyone for the good info and advice!
Scratch bluing then!
It's a bummer tho, Here I thought I'd end up with a Pinto looking M5906, lol!
I'm still searching for ideas on what to do. I'm definitely not putting her back to her old looks, of that I'm positive, and paint is not an option.
I don't know, I might be stuck here for a while.
If you want to create a pinto look, check out having it CeraKoted, the possibilities are endless. Just do a Google search on "firearm cerakote services" and check out the galleries of the various sites.
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If you want to create a pinto look, check out having it CeraKoted, the possibilities are endless. Just do a Google search on "firearm cerakote services" and check out the galleries of the various sites.
I don't think I'm going to go that way. I've tried CeraKote on an AR before and it was okay, but I felt like it's meant for a more rugged application, maybe it's just me.
Thanks for the suggestion tho!

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I found that the edges around the area where the rear of the trigger guard meets the frame can use some edges broken and smoothed for comfort. I did this on a 6904 CAI import, then had it ceracoated. Contemplating Hi Power type cuts now.
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Several years ago I had my CZ P-09 slide milled for an RDS ,
I wanted to change things up a little and have them cerakote titanium color on the slide.
After quite a bit of use over about a year, in and out of a Kydex holster at the range during self defense target practice and training, slide shows virtually no wear.
When I self defense target practice, I draw from a holster every two shots, so you can just imagine how many times this pistol has been in and out of the Kydex holster. I know I've gone through at least 2000 rounds oh, so that equates to 1000 times in and out of the holster.
If you want closer pictures of the slide I can do that.
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There are lots of coating treatments available. I am also looking at doing something with one of my many project S&W semi's that are low budget. 910, 457, and beat 5946TSW I just aquired. I am also leaning toward Cerakoting the 910 as the gunsmith that also performs this service is local. Experimenting so to speak. You have a lot of advice. Pick one and don't look back. 5906 pistols are a dime a dozen. If you really hate it you can sell it, redo it (maybe) or chalk it up to a project that taught you something. I am all for preserving guns in original condition but only if it's warranted. I would do that to a Minty pre model 39 or even a minty 39-2.
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I wanted to mix it up a bit on a 645 I had, different blasting media can give quite a contrast. The attach post shows 220 white aluminum oxide at 60psi (if I remember correctly). If you turn the pressure up a bit, you might be able to get it darker.

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He certainly wont be ruining an extremely common and easily replaced 5906. S&W made a blue million of them, and wanting his to be different wont ruin a thing. If you want YOUR 5906 kept stock, you should keep YOUR pistol stock.
I admire the work people do, when they take their time and do a nice job it is always a treat to see what some will do with their guns.
I recommend melonite if you want it black. Always comes back looking mighty slick.
You're right, he won't. He also asked for opinions, so that's what he's going to get.
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I wanted to mix it up a bit on a 645 I had, different blasting media can give quite a contrast. The attach post shows 220 white aluminum oxide at 60psi (if I remember correctly). If you turn the pressure up a bit, you might be able to get it darker.

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That project turned out great.
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I like it original or maybe polished ?
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Can you say Bling , Bling !!!!
Since I took the pictures I did a brushed finish on the 4516-1.
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New development.
I've decided to purchase a used M6904 slide and pair it with the M5906 frame. I know some of the members here have done this before so I'm kind of wondering what their opinions are.
What would this the be called then? A stainless bi-tone SSV franken S&W 5906?


I'm actually thinking of sanding/polishing to mirror Finnish the rear half of the frame and the broad sides of the slide.
What do you all think?
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In the revolver world a frame with a contrasting barrel and cylinder is called a "Pinto"; should we stick with that or does anyone know a term that's semi-auto specific?
Looks like you're having fun with it! Enjoy and thanks for sharing.

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Looks like you're having fun with it! Enjoy and thanks for sharing.
For semi-auto pistols it is called "two tone".
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Light it on fire? Draw all over it with crayons? Use it to pound nails? Throw it into a volcano? Cover it with Hello Kitty stickers? Those sound crazy? So does your whole project. The gun looks to be in excellent shape. If you insist on something like this(and for the life of me I don’t understand why you do) buy a beater 5906.

You said you have zero experience with things like this. You’re gonna ruin a nice gun. Swapping out parts is one thing. They can be put back.

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Looks like a case of corona cabin fever. I am wondering what has this gun ever done to you?
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I'm not going to admonish the OP for wanting a custom pistol. I've considered making my Model 439 a franken short slide version. What keeps me from doing it is the cost of a good condition, complete 469 top.
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Good grief. The poor guy wants to customize his run-of-the-mill 5906. It ain't no Registered Magnum. Wow.
Hey prochi, the extra slide is a great idea! Exactly what I would do... and I sorta have by swapping slides between my 3d Gen 9mms.
The only blued slide I have is on a two-tone 908, and it looks great on my 5906. That slide you have in your photos looks even better! I think your polishing ideas are pretty good, too. Now, did I read you right, that you want to polish the sides of the slide? You probably already know this but that will remove the finish, right? Then you're back to needing to refinish....
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I hardly take offense on any fair opinions and/or suggestions and so far I think all have been fair and square. So, keep them coming!
I also want to say that, more often than not, before starting a project I have my mind is usually made up and no matter the outcome I am most likely to be satisfied at the end. Yes, no matter the outcome.
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I wanted to mix it up a bit on a 645 I had,

645 before and after
Thank you for the link, this is kind of what I had in mind. Now I have a better idea of where I'm going with this.
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Finally got some time off but lost a little bit of interest on doing anything more than swapping parts. So, here she is right now, a two-tone stainless franken S&W 5906 SSV.


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That looks great!
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That turned out nice!
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