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Old 07-12-2020, 12:48 AM
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Does anyone know where I could get my hands on a magazine well for a 5906? Ive been searching and finding nothing. Does anyone have any willing to part with or know where I can snag one? Thanks in advance
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Welcome to the S&W forums.
Never heard of such a thing for the metal receiver S&W pistols and why would you need one, the magazine well has a generous, beveled edge.
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Old 07-12-2020, 10:21 AM
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For some reason I'm not able to upload photos today!

Google: "SW PPC-9"

This model has a factory installed "Mag Well".

Once installed regular magazines no longer fit flush and insertion during competition is impeded! An extended magazine base pad may be required that extends the base about 3/8's inch.

Contact S&W to see if any are still available!

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Old 07-12-2020, 11:58 AM
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Does anyone know where I could get my hands on a magazine well for a 5906? Ive been searching and finding nothing. Does anyone have any willing to part with or know where I can snag one? Thanks in advance
Good question. I myself have been looking for one and all I come up with is mag wells for Glocks, M&Ps and 1911s.

I had contacted S&W about a certain pair of grips for 3rd gen pistols and I was told that the product was obsolete. Itís been years since these parts were produced. The mag wells were installed on PC models, which were limited production and collectible. I doubt that anyone will pull them off if they were factory installed.

Is there any over run of the mag wells that are sitting around somewhere?? Is they a company willing to mill new ones to match factories??

The 3rd gen semi are very popular with most people on this forum but for the general public, I donít think they care what gen it is. New or used, as long it shoots and itís cheap.

Parts for used S&W earlier models are getting harder to find. Might be able to find products that are still produced, were from an over run or pieces pulled from a used gun. I donít think thereís a big enough market to re-manufaction these used parts but is there a company out there willing to take orders for certain parts??

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Old 07-12-2020, 12:03 PM
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They were made by Briely I believe.Stock mags will work with the mag well but will require you to stick your thumb into the mag well to fully insert as the stock mags are not long enough to extend past the mag well.

I have a Super Nine and a Tactical 40 that have the PPC 9 mag well trimmed so a stock mag can be used.

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Old 07-12-2020, 03:20 PM
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As I have three of these PC guns with the mag well, I can assure you that the mag well needs no modifications whatsoever for a regular base plate magazine to be used.

However, the OEM delrin (xenoy?) grip must be modified to allow for the mag well to sit where it needs to be and the grip pin to lock it and the grip to the frame.

I have no idea from who the PC sourced this part. I would be shocked if you could find a supply of them from somewhere.

My guns that have it are a 3566 Limited, a 4006 Limited and a 5-inch PPC-9.
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Old 07-13-2020, 01:29 AM
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I agree that the 5906 standard mags (193500000) work fine in the PC pistols that have the enhanced mag well attachments, at least on my 3566 Limited that is. They're what I use commonly in it.

I installed a new set of factory 5906 curved grips on my 3566, in place of the straight grips, & I don't recall having to do anything to them.

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I’m going to have to dig a pistol out and look more closely. I had assumed the grip was modified to all the mag well to clip in place. If that isn’t the case... then it may be that the pistol frame itself needs to be thinned and metal removed to allow for the connection of the aluminum mag well.

I’ll have to get back to this thread.
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Old 07-13-2020, 11:40 AM
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Here is a 2012 Post by Gunhacker:


Several years ago I bought a unique 4006 that lettered only as a 4006 Performance Center Production, shipped to Lew Horton. I emailed LH Distributing about it and got a reply back saying that it was 1 of 4 total that they distributed.

The S&W factory records could not verify it, but I was told by the previous owner that only 12 total were made, and they were supposed to be the 4006 IDPA. But .40 S&W is not at all a good caliber for IDPA, with 9mm being the majority of the pistols, I guess it never got off the ground.

One of the things that has been a mystery to me is how the grip fits the frame. Unlike a regular 4006, the cutout in the frame that the bottom of the grip fits in, is wider so there is a space on both sides of the grip between the frame.

A few days ago I was doing a search for some 3rd gen parts and in the results was a hit from a place called Power Factor Shooting, clicking on the link I got a surprise.

Listed as a close out/discontinued item was a Performance Center magwell. I ordered one and it arrived today... I just spent the last few hours hand fitting it, and now I know what the heck those spaces are for Attached Thumbnails A unique 4006 gets even more unique...-dsc01597-jpg A unique 4006 gets even more unique...-dsc01598-jpg A unique 4006 gets even more unique...-dsc01604-jpg A unique 4006 gets even more unique...-dsc01601-jpg A unique 4006 gets even more unique...-dsc01602-jpg



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Haha see THAT is what I had meant! ^^^^
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Also a bit that I find interesting...

I don't recall ever seeing any gun from the Performance Center shipped with the bright aluminum/"stainless" look that you are showing in those great pictures. All of the ones I've seen are flat black. Regardless of the finish of the pistol itself, and it always looks right no matter the finish because all of the PC guns except the 952/945/WISCHO exports all wear the original Delrin/Xenoy grip, so the black matches the grip.

This bright one you are showing certainly looks exactly like mine, EXCEPT for finish.
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Old 07-13-2020, 09:15 PM
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All of the PC pistols that I have had with a magwell have also had magazines with the extended buttplate as shown in the attached photos. This speeds magazine removal with the magwell installed.
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Old 07-13-2020, 09:26 PM
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Those are usually marked “CP Products” if I remember correctly.
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The Performance Center used to have them back when there was a real Performance Center. They had a deep one and a shallow one. My Tactical .40 came with a shallow one and I ordered one from S&W for a custom 5" 5906 I put together:




The bottom of the frame has to be milled to fit the aluminum mag well. The one I ordered was the deeper style so I filed it down to the size I wanted.

These are probably long gone, but if you find a parts diagram from a PC gun with the mag well you at least will have a parts number to ask S&W if they have any left for sale. That's what I did, but it was like 10 years ago.
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Wow, great info again.

I found these two magazines some time ago in a sorta local pawn shopís mixed magazine box. They were taped together for $25.00 so I rescued them. Iíve got a few pistols that they fit but they obviously stick out too much on the non extended mag well 9mmís I have.

I guess since I have a couple of mags, (that I know what they go to,) I need to find a pistol that they will be happy in. (Or send them off to someone that ďneedsĒ them.)

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Are you telling us that you don’t own a double stack S&W 9mm from 1st, 2nd or 3rd Generation?!

This does not compute!!!
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"One of the things that has been a mystery to me is how the grip fits the frame.
Unlike a regular 4006, the cutout in the frame that the bottom of the grip fits in, is wider so there is a space on both sides of the grip between the frame.


Listed as a close out/discontinued item was a Performance Center magwell. I ordered one and it arrived today...
I just spent the last few hours hand fitting it
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I think what Sevens & I said earlier is different than what text you're quoting here (at least from my perspective) & not seeing the whole thread in it's entirety isn't helpful but...

Just so we're all talking about the same thing(s):

Obviously the 4006 PC GunHacker had was not fitted for a mag well from the factory. He references the bottom of the grip frame but then he says he had to spend time to fit the mag well to the 4006 PC.

Looking at the bottom grip frame of my standard production 4006 the grip (black) in the center is the same width as in his picture (below) but metal has been removed from both sides of his grip frame, clearly to provide a space for the mag well's prongs to be seated in & held by the grip pin.

He doesn't specify what he did but the grips themselves weren't modified (from what's visible), the metal grip frame was.

Putting a new/different grip on a pistol that has already been modified to fit a mag well on it doesn't require any further modification.

That's my take on it. Agreed?

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Damn, I just want my 5906 PC to have that look. Well thanks gentlemen, I figured there was no stock left. Everything evaporated for this series and it sucks. I may just start making my own mag wells and other accessories for 1st 2nd and 3rd gen pistols. It seems like the way to go now and Im sure some of you would be interested in some of these accessories right?
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Apparently the contact info in your profile is not working. I have the magwell and the extended buttplate. Contact me.
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I wasn't very articulate in post #3!

Regular magazines will fit.

During competition for efficient mag changes the extended base plates make inserting magazine feed back more certain with the large, deep mag well! If they didn't I wouldn't have 10 of them!

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The S&W PC 5906 magwell will not fit a standard 3rd Gen 5906 or 4006 without some precise milling cuts to the grip backstrap of the frame. See photos 1, 2, 3 & 4 comparing the PC frame and the standard frame. If you have a PC 3566, 4004 or 5906, the only fitting required is to fit the tabs on the magwell into the space between the grip pin holes and drill out holes in the tabs for the grip pin. This requires precise skill inorder to keep the magwell tight against the frame.
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Hey Red Cardinal, howís this look?

I was able to install a mag well on my 5906 IDPA. I did have to drill out the holes myself and do just a little, lite filing.

I had plans to install on another pistol but it didnít have the cut to accept the mag well. The 5906 did and things worked out.

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I have an extra I bought from the Performance Center many years ago. I had it on one of my DPA 5906s for a while. IMO you need the DP base plates for it to work properly. Just FYI, the 4006 Tactical came with a cut down version that would work without the DP base plates.
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Joe, the installation is professional. Even better was the super fast snatch for the 5906 IDPA.
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