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Hey guys just wondering if the bushing at the muzzle of my 4566 tactical can accommodate a compensator?
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?Why would you want all that muzzle blast in your face?
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Are you talking about something like this ? This is my 45Recon , which comes with one incorporated with the barrel .
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?Why would you want all that muzzle blast in your face?
Plus you make a fairly heavy gun heavier to tame recoil that is not much anyway.
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Hey guys just wondering if the bushing at the muzzle of my 4566 tactical can accommodate a compensator?
Handgun compensators do not reduce recoil, they reduce muzzle rise.

If you are talking about an expansion chamber compensator like has been on IPSC guns for the past several decades which are VERY effective at reducing muzzle climb, they do not attach to the bushing. Traditionally, they are screwed onto a extended and threaded barrel



If you are talking about ports or slots like on the Recon, they can either be on an extended barrel, or there have been bushingss made with them.



However I have never seen a S&W style bushing that was manufactured this way. Additionally, this style of porting is not very effective on the 45 ACP cartridge since they require large gas volume to reduce muzzle rise.

To make these work on a 45ACP chambered firearm, I shoot the 45 SUPER cartridge instead of 45 ACP. Mostly I do this in my 625 revolver which makes a superb pin gun



If you have the wrong expectations of what compensators do, you will probably be disappointed when you shoot them.

It is amazing how much misinformation has been repeated on the Internet so many times that people treat it as fact. You need to shoot one yourself and form your own opinion instead of listening to a couple of dozen guys on a Forum or two

You never completed your filling out your Forum information, so we do not know where you are located, but if you are in the Central Florida area, I would be happy to meet up with you at a range so that you can try some of these before you go and modify your own firearm
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Hey Colt_SAA, a sidetrack to the discussion... your pictured 45 Recon shows a serial number of "REC 0000"

What is the story there?! Is that an altered photo? Is that your pistol with a legit "0000" numeric? Has this been discussed in another thread?!

I find that a little bit stunning! Who would even think they'd start at "0000", let alone for that pistol to be out in circulation?
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Can you say? Photoshop
Would be my best guess
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Hey Colt_SAA, a sidetrack to the discussion... your pictured 45 Recon shows a serial number of "REC 0000"

What is the story there?! Is that an altered photo? Is that your pistol with a legit "0000" numeric? Has this been discussed in another thread?!

I find that a little bit stunning! Who would even think they'd start at "0000", let alone for that pistol to be out in circulation?
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All of the firearm photos that I post to the Internet have either fictitious or no serial numbers on them

That said, I do currently own 3 Smith & Wesson firearms whose serial numbers end in 0000. Two of those were acquired from Factory employees
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That said, I do currently own 3 Smith & Wesson firearms whose serial numbers end in 0000. Two of those were acquired from Factory employees
Hmm, OK.

So is your 45 Recon one of them?

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I'm turning it into a 45 super
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Handgun compensators do not reduce recoil, they reduce muzzle rise.

If you are talking about an expansion chamber compensator like has been on IPSC guns for the past several decades which are VERY effective at reducing muzzle climb, they do not attach to the bushing. Traditionally, they are screwed onto a extended and threaded barrel



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However I have never seen a S&W style bushing that was manufactured this way. Additionally, this style of porting is not very effective on the 45 ACP cartridge since they require large gas volume to reduce muzzle rise.

To make these work on a 45ACP chambered firearm, I shoot the 45 SUPER cartridge instead of 45 ACP. Mostly I do this in my 625 revolver which makes a superb pin gun



If you have the wrong expectations of what compensators do, you will probably be disappointed when you shoot them.

It is amazing how much misinformation has been repeated on the Internet so many times that people treat it as fact. You need to shoot one yourself and form your own opinion instead of listening to a couple of dozen guys on a Forum or two

You never completed your filling out your Forum information, so we do not know where you are located, but if you are in the Central Florida area, I would be happy to meet up with you at a range so that you can try some of these before you go and modify your own firearm
As being a component of recoil. Right I got you!
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As being a component of recoil. Right I got you!
Correct, muzzle rise is not a component of recoil

Those two forces occur in different directions
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If it is not the recoil?
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Illustration of forces in muzzle rise. Projectile and propellant gases act on barrel along barrel centerline A. Forces are resisted by shooter contact with gun at grips and stock B. Height difference between barrel centerline and average point of contact is height C. Forces A and B operating over moment arm / height C create torque or moment D, which rotates the firearm's muzzle up as illustrated at E.
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If you were able to build a pistol where the center of the boar was in the center of the grip , it would be virtually zero muzzle flip.
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Maybe one of the gunsmiths on the form can build a zip gun with a T handle and test it.
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Could these guns with xxx0000 serial#'s be SHOT SHOW guns?
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Illustration of forces in muzzle rise. Projectile and propellant gases act on barrel along barrel centerline A. Forces are resisted by shooter contact with gun at grips and stock B. Height difference between barrel centerline and average point of contact is height C. Forces A and B operating over moment arm / height C create torque or moment D, which rotates the firearm's muzzle up as illustrated at E.
In other words, recoil.
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