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Old 10-30-2020, 04:34 PM
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Is it okay to dry fire a model 41?
I can not find any info either way in the owners manual.
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Old 10-30-2020, 04:41 PM
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You should not dry fire any .22 rimfire S&W pistol or revolver. Check the "FAQ" section listed under Customer Service at the S&W web site.....


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You can use snap caps, or just about any brand of plastic #4-6 wall anchors if needed, for dry firing. When the wall achors become dented, just replace with a new one.....


https://www.menards.com/main/hardwar...?tid=-1&ipos=1
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No. Plastic snap caps are very cheap.
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4799, that #4 drywall plastic anchor is the answer. And afterwards,
you can still use them.
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When using #4-6 yellow plastic wall anchors as snap - caps, turn them to a different spot often so that the firing pin doesn't "drill through" the plastic!
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Old 10-31-2020, 07:44 AM
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I like to use the BLUE trainer snap caps. They will cycle as long as you don't fire on them more than 6 to 10 times and distort the rim.

For me, here is the reason. I will chamber one live round then, I will put one blue one in the Mag at the start of loading. Then I will finish with nine live rounds.

I'll still get my ten shots in and dry fire the blue snap cap to protect the firing pin and the rim on the chamber for transporting home. Those barrels are expensive to replace and so are the firing pins.

I agree no dry firing a Mod 41 or any .22 LR
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I've shot mine in matches where you are required to remove the mag, show the empty chamber, and dry-fire at the end of the stage. Before I shot it in a match with those rules I checked to make sure the firing pin didn't reach the barrel. So mine has been dry-fired (by me, I got it used) maybe a dozen times, with no obvious ill effects. Other than at such matches, I don't dry-fire it.
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I never intentionally dry fire mine.

But when I was trying to get CCI standard velocity to work in my gun about 2% to 3% of the time the gun would eject the empty but not pick up the next round. Not knowing that I would pull the trigger and dry fire the gun. Before I switched ammo I dry fired it dozens of times and cannot see any damage.

So no, you should never dry fire it if you can avoid doing so. But it isn't going to self destruct the first time it happens.

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Is it okay to dry fire a model 41?
I can not find any info either way in the owners manual.
I know the general rule that "thou shall not dry fire a rim fire", but my Model 41 that I bought new in 1964 for bullseye came from S&W with a dry fire target about post card size. At 15' it mimicked the standard 50' target. I remember I always shot better dry fire scores than I did at 50'. I have seen those targets on ebay.
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Old 10-31-2020, 07:57 PM
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I dry fire my M41 often with dry wall anchor as I haven't taken the time to see if the bullseyesmith that worked on my pistol set up the firing pin to not hit the chamber. He probably did due to being a former Marine Corps target team armorer when the misguided children used M41s for competition shooting.

My other 22s (Ruger MKIII, Nelson Conversion, FWB AW93) are all safe to dry fire due to limited firing pin reach.

In target shooting competition if you haven't broken a firing pin or (on a 1911) a firing pin stop you are not dry firing enough in training. These are considered consumable parts.
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I dry fire my M41 often with dry wall anchor . . .
When I said I never intentionally dry fire my M41 I meant without an anchor.

We need another term to distinguish between dry firing without a snap cap or anchor and dry firing without one. Dry firing with a snap cap/anchor is very different than doing so without one. You can usually tell what is meant by the context but we sometimes talk past each other.
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Old 11-01-2020, 10:28 AM
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You fire a round, the slide goes back far enough to eject the empty but not far enough to pick up the new round and goes forward just like normal. Pull the trigger and you have accidentally dry fired your gun.

Happened on a regular basis with my M41 and CCI std. velocity despite replacing the extractor and some other changes suggested here that did not correct the problem. Switching to MiniMags solved the problem but they are not quite as accurate as the standard velocity and high velocity ammo is hard on the M41 trigger guard but still better than all the dry fires with standard velocity.

I have had the same thing happen with my 22 Compact and bulk ammo that has an occasional weak round. Seen it happen with Rugers as well but they are designed to not be damaged but dry firing.

Semiauto 22s get dry fired this way all too often. Its not on purpose or the result of negligence so its an accident.

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You fire a round, the slide goes back far enough to eject the empty but not far enough to pick up the new round and goes forward just like normal. Pull the trigger and you have accidentally dry fired your gun.

Happened on a regular basis with my M41 and CCI std. velocity despite replacing the extractor and some other changes suggested here that did not correct the problem.
I had the same problems and home remedies did not solve the lack of reliability. That was why I sent the pistol to a bullseyesmith with excellent results. I only shoot CCI SV or Eley Club in the pistol, and prefer buying by the case for lot consistency.

Someone suggested somewhere dry firing with a business card between the slide and the barrel to check for firing pin protrusion. Since I have never seen any marks on the chamber rim from firing pin strikes I haven't gotten around to trying this. Another dry firing suggestion was to cut a business refrigerator magnet to have a strip that fits between the slide and barrel and stays in place, but on my pistol the strips have been too thick and the slide acts on the disconnector.
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We always dry fired ALL of the semi autos when building them. Always ran dummy rounds through the guns to simulate feed, extraction and ejection. A few times with the 41 won't hurt but i would not over do it.
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Old 11-01-2020, 03:53 PM
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A post on Youtube shows retracting the bolt a minimal amount then pulling the trigger instead of dry fire!!!
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Old 11-01-2020, 10:03 PM
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No, never.
Even if the firing pin does not contact the face of the chamber, ask yourself.
"what is stopping the firing pin from exiting the bolt " ???

The answer is the bolt cross pin.
This pin not only holds the bolt into the slide, but it locates the firing pin and stops it falling out the rear. ( that groove in the firing pin that the cross pin goes into is your clue here)
It also stops the firing pin from moving too far forward.

I have seen these pins break from supposedly "safe"dry firing.

When that happens, good luck removing the bolt from the slide.

(this also applies to centre fire pistols and rifles )

So yeh..... NEVER dry fire !!!!!
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Bullseyesmith Jerry Keefer on broken bolt pins: Model 41 Bolt Pin breakage

More from Jerry: Smith & Wesson 41 common repairs

Another Bullseye guide to M41s: Troubleshooting and Preventing Malfunctions

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Rowlf, thanks for those very interesting links.

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Bullseyesmith Jerry Keefer on broken bolt pins: Model 41 Bolt Pin breakage

More from Jerry: Smith & Wesson 41 common repairs

Another Bullseye guide to M41s: Troubleshooting and Preventing Malfunctions
These articles are extrememly interesting and a great source of information. Is Jerry Keefer still doing work on Model 41's? If so does anyone have contact info for him?
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When I finish a range session, I close the slide, and pull the trigger. *click* Put the gun in the case. Been doing it for many years, and never had a problem.

Like above, I have had ammo feeding problems occasionally, resulting in some unintentional dry firing.*

I'm with Dave Lively. Occasional seems to do no harm.

*My favorite ammo is Federal Gold Medal Target, 711B. Std velocity. It does NOT feed well, unless I oil the cartridges while loading the magazine. A drop of oil on my finger, and rub the cartridges around in my fingers. Doesn't take much.
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The yellow dry wall screws anchors work very well for me, yes, rotate them. Good for about 10 uses, at $5/100 cheap enough.
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These articles are extrememly interesting and a great source of information. Is Jerry Keefer still doing work on Model 41's? If so does anyone have contact info for him?
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Unfortunately Jerry Keefer passed away. He did leave behind a lot of good posts on different forums. His information was very good due to all his years testing and tuning PPC and Bullseye competition pistols.

KC Crawford worked on my M41 and I have heard David Sams be recommended.
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Thank you.

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