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See posts numbers 74 & 75 for an an update with “The rest of the story”.
Regards,
s&wchad

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I am filing a claim in downtown Springfield against S&W for destroying my beloved M41 22LR when they did not have to. The laser printing that they used caused many forensic problems throughout the country and has been addressed since 2001 .Stamping Serial Numbers vs. Laser Etching

Kate Fredette and S&W customer service failed to escalate my problem
for five years and to handle the matter as manufacturers defect. More info and pictures available at request. You will find it quite fascinating. The pictures show what is left of my gun and what condition these leftover parts are in after being in S&W (care) for five years That what they sent back to me.

So you’re going to sue S&W because you think they are hindering criminal investigations?

You need to reread my post, I do not think of anything of the short and I am not a Crusader against S&W. OK?

Your link is to an IACP resolution.

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Made it, Ma! Top of the world!

Very good sir. Thanks for the ideas

When did this occur? When did you send it in? Where are the pics you mentioned?

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The best I can with what I got

Laser etching is by far the best method to mark a piece of metal. Stamping causes local deformations as a minimum, which if someone was inclined to grind off the serial number, makes it easy for police to determine the serial number, whereas a ground off laser etch is more difficult in this regard. But there is no law about it. Nearly all “engraving” on a modern gun is laser etching. Doubtful there was any laser printing. None of this relates to gun failure. What exactly doesn’t work on your gun and how is it related to laser etching?

I’ll bet that Smith And Wesson hopes you buy a ruger next time .

If you want the rest of us to be on your side you need to post pictures to back up you claim, not list pictures upon request?

I request that you attach pictures to your original post. Thank you.

Your post lacks very important information and pictures for any of use to even get an idea what your talking about.
I'll just say, good luck.

Troll...just move on please...

Hmmmm ...

All of 18 posts ... and much legal drama implied about S&W's failure(s) involving an M41.

Members shouldn't have to chase down pics to get an understanding of what the beef is.

Since you're all lawyered-up, just authorize your attorney to post them.

If you really found an attorney to take this case we can now start new thread on scalpers.

HUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Maybe the Covid has scrambled my thought process, but the OP makes no sense to me whatsoever.

Am I missing something?

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BTDT, Got The T-Shirt

So, they had to re-apply a serial number and used laser etching as opposed to the original stamping? That's all I can figure from what the OP posted here. If that's it....good luck with that.

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'Merica!

Romeo Romeo, Wherefore art thou pictures to help me understand? I don't think this is a reason to sue. What loss do you have personally to warrant a lawsuit?

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Charly, I think you missed the civil filing window by a good bit. Five years?

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Having no evidence the OP is either serious or a troll I will point out any lawyer worth a hill of beans would advise his client to go radio silent.

Pics or it didn't happen.

hey...where's the Cajun when we need him here to discourage any of the frivolous stuff that clogs up the courts??

Please post pictures so we can see what you are claiming.

Good luck with that . . .

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Having worked in a large corporation, we would occasionally be sued. Yes we would probably win if it went completely through the process in court but the cost to defend would be large. Often times we would settle for a sum of money less than the expected cost of litigation. Lacking any other details, I suspect the original poster is hoping for an out of court settlement that he will split with his attorney. That way he can buy 15-20 more "beloved" M41's.

"S&W customer service failed to escalate my problem"

What in the wide world of sports are you talking about son.

I think you are doing a pretty good job of escalating your problem all on your own. I would suspect that if you do have a lawyer he (no woman lawyer would even think about taking on a case like this even on an hourly basis-they are too smart ) required a large advance fee deposit against which he is billing at a good hourly rate-not a case taken on a contingency fee by a long shot

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I'll be glad to serve on the jury ... possibly there will be evidence shown at the trial !
Fair Warning ... I do not suffer fools gladly
Gary

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I gather from the limited amount of information given us, that the OP is upset because S&W uses something other than "stamping" to identify their serial numbers on firearms. So, if that's true, understand this, by stamping numbers and such into metal there is a deformation of metal that takes place below the base surface material. Sometimes through various methods ground off or removed serial numbers can be restored thru a couple of methods, but this is tricky to accomplish as it can further damage the remaining metal surface thereby rendering any future attempts at restoring a serial number useless. Most people think this is an easy process of just putting some acid or other substance on the ground off numbers and they magically reappear. That is not the case in many instances. This is really tricky business and remember there can be no guessing in a serious case as to the correct serial number.

If the OP's "beloved M41" was used in a felony it is evidence in that crime and the item must be treated as evidence and held until it is no longer needed for the case. Depending on the state the crime took place in sometimes the firearm can be returned to the rightful owner or it must be destroyed. Unfortunately the OP goes into no real explanation of his situation and we are left to wonder what the heck happened here and why did the OP post anything of this matter, if there is pending litigation in progress against S&W. The OP would have been better off keeping his lips sealed and fingers off the keyboard until he was prepared to give the full story. This type of action seems to be quite common today, only give part of the story and let the readers draw their own conclusions. Lovely.

Rick H.

I believe the op got exactly what he hoped for.

Laughed at?-

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Interesting. I watched a video last night discussing statistics of social media. The stat said over 50% of post are generated by a BOT. Lots of folks get into discussions with BOTS and are confused at the illogical comments that the BOT generates.

Could this be a BOT?

Eighteen posts in ten years, mostly trying to sell stuff. Interesting history. Perhaps he wanted some special (re)marking for parts to make them appear “factory original.” His posts related or listed a variety of mixed parts for a Model 41. Like I said, interesting history.

Froggie

I believe it is, since it has all the hallmarks of a troll bot.

It says he has been a low posting member here since 2010!

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14 S&W Revs none with locks!

Will never get that far.

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If you read thru his past posts it seems he bought the model 41 in 2010. Then in 2014 he is asking for the value of his model 41 which he had stripped off the bluing on because "he likes it that way". Reading between the lines it seems that is the source of his complaint about laser etched serial numbers. He buffed, etched, or sanded the serial number off of his gun. Then he apparently sent the gun back to S&W to have the serial numbers re-stamped. I suspect that once S&W received the gun and saw the missing serial number they refused to return the frame and perhaps crushed it in a press.

CharlyRomeo, you destroyed this gun all by yourself and in the process you violated Federal Law. Fact is what you did is a rather serious Felony. I find it somewhat surprising you aren't in Prison. I'm surprised that S&W didn't report you for removing that serial number. Because I rather suspect that under the Law they were supposed to. Now you want to stir up that hornets nest by suing them. Bet that will work out just fine (sarcasm).

Im so confused.

I am a lawyer. Wouldn’t touch this with a ten foot pole

Or as the saying goes, "Lawyer up, shut up."

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Can open, worms everywhere.

If it is, it's programming is defective.

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Can open, worms everywhere.

Bot's edit their posts too?

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aka "Mooncat"

What is a BOT???

Virtual machines that post in internet forums, not real people.

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aka "Mooncat"

No. Just remember that Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity.

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Can open, worms everywhere.

I’m sure S&W’s hundred lawyers are quaking in their boots.

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Sure you did

Why, I'd bet that they've never been sued before!

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Can open, worms everywhere.

BOT & MIL are synonymous.

One is free to all on the internet.

The other you pay for dearly if you marry her daughter .

You posted a link to an anti gun site. Why?

escalate
[ es-kuh-leyt ]

verb (used with or without object), es·ca·lat·ed, es·ca·lat·ing.
to increase in intensity, magnitude, etc.: to escalate a war; a time when prices escalate.

I'd be glad they didn't escalate my problem.