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CSX impressions and issue
First, No doubt the CSX will be a winner. It’s the easiest shooting Micro 9 that I’ve ever shot. I’ve only put 100 rounds through it, and the trigger has already lightened up.
My ONLY complaint is that my feed ramp is rough, if not horrible looking, see attachment. I’ve reached out to S&W and at this time the gun cycles fine, but it sure is an eye sore. It’s smooth to the touch, but visually not pleasing. $250 gun, fine, $600, no way.
Any thoughts on the ramp? Leave it alone? Send it in? Qtip + mother’s polish?
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No reliability issues? I’d leave it as is. The CSX isn’t a limited production or high dollar pistol so things like the feed ramp “not looking nice” wouldn’t bother me a bit as long as there weren’t any function issues.
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The one I handled had a terrible trigger, and when a magazine is fully loaded it would not drop free, like it had bulged at full capacity.
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As long as it works, why mess with it?
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The one I handled had a terrible trigger, and when a magazine is fully loaded it would not drop free, like it had bulged at full capacity.
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Did it drop when empty?
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Nothing a couple minutes with a felt bob in a Dremel with some jewelers rouge or mag polish wouldn't clean right up.
After seeing some of the stuff coming out of S&W lately, it looks like some of the angry beavers from Century Arms have found new employment.
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...at this time the gun cycles fine, but it sure is an eye sore. It’s smooth to the touch, but visually not pleasing.
Mow often do you look at the feed ramp?
From what you posted I'd leave it alone and enjoy a reliable pistol.
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CSX impressions and issue
I bought mine yesterday and haven’t shot it yet. I have dry fired it quite a bit and the trigger definitely is loosening up.
My feed ramp looks smooth and very polished. Not sure what’s going on with your ramp as that looks kinda rough but if it’s not had any jams I wouldn’t worry about it.
Get 1000 rounds through it. If it doesn’t have any feed issues, I wouldn’t sweat it.
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Polish it up with a Dremel, polishing tip and some Flitz and roll with it.
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Did it drop when empty?
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The mags did drop free when empty. I dont know enough about this trigger to say whether I could clean it up easily or not.
I did not buy this. A good friend did, and I handled it. I did not shoot it either, but dry fired it.
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Leave it alone, it meets the primary function of a pistol. It shoots. As for drop free mags when loaded, why is this necessary? S&W is not turning out Korths.
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Leave it alone, it meets the primary function of a pistol. It shoots. As for drop free mags when loaded, why is this necessary? S&W is not turning out Korths.
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If I have a malfunction, my first action is to slam a reload. Drop the mag and get another one in there. I dont care how many rounds are left in the first one. When I press the mag release I expect the magazine to leave the pistol.
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A dremel, felt wheel, and some Flitz will fix that feed ramp right up. Or Qtips and Mother's polish if that's what you have. May not take those swirls out, but smooth as glass is what you want.
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Polish it up with a Dremel, polishing tip and some Flitz and roll with it.
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So I just picked up a CSX today at a gun show. My feed ramp does not look the same, but it also does not look super smooth. Will polish it up when I get home. Hope to take it to the range in a couple days.
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So I just picked up a CSX today at a gun show. My feed ramp does not look the same, but it also does not look super smooth. Will polish it up when I get home. Hope to take it to the range in a couple days.
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Please let me know the method you use and how it turns out.
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If I have a malfunction, my first action is to slam a reload. Drop the mag and get another one in there. I dont care how many rounds are left in the first one. When I press the mag release I expect the magazine to leave the pistol.
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So I have to ask what professional firearms training course teaches that?
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So I have to ask what professional firearms training course teaches that?
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It saved my bacon in the sandbox.
Dropped a magazine with all the remaining rounds jammed together at the bottom of it out of an M9 and reloaded and it function just fine after that.
Later found I had a broken mag spring. If I had done the “tap, rack, bang” process it would have solved nothing.
The point here is that there are plenty of times removing a partial magazine is advantageous, and the magazine release button should cause said magazine to depart the pistol. “Shouldnt need to do that” is right up there with “shouldnt need my pistol”.
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I'm glad it worked for you and you got through it safely.
As for sticking mags, I have to point out Glock, possibly the worlds most widely distributed handgun, are notorious for sticking fully loaded mags. Has not hurt their sells.
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That looks rough. It functions, but that isn't normal and I'm curious what S&W has to say about it. Even your less expensive polymer pistols have smooth and sometimes polished feed ramps. I would of contacted them as well.
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Will just use a Dremel, a polishing tip and some Flitz.
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I'm glad it worked for you and you got through it safely.
As for sticking mags, I have to point out Glock, possibly the worlds most widely distributed handgun, are notorious for sticking fully loaded mags. Has not hurt their sells.
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I dont own any Glocks, but that would be a factor for me.
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Whether that feed ramp works correctly now or not, it is not common for a ramp to look like that. I believe that is out of spec.
To fix it properly will require either re-cutting it or grinding on it. That could change dimensions which then could make it unreliable. This is a warranty issue. Just because it works now does not mean that it will still work in the future or with all ammo types.
As to mags dropping free, I believe the correct factory set up is for empty mags to drop clear of the grip. Half-partial to fully loaded mags should stay in the gun. Dropping a loaded mag when you did not intend to do so (accidental mag release) is no bueno.
If you want a loaded mag out of the gun, strip it and drop it, or retain it. Your decision. If you don’t want it out of the gun, but for some reason it is not fully seated, Tap/Rack.
Double stack mags that expand slightly outward when loaded but are slightly thinner when empty do this when in a properly sized grip.
While there are numerous different dogmatic malfunction clearance dances specified for different types of malfunctions, KISS. Ultimately, you must get a new cartridge in the chamber.
Obvious stove pipe? Lock slide to the rear, bump mag, roll pistol to right and dump problem. Release slide to reload.
All others? Remove and stow mag; roll pistol to right and rack 3x; reload with different mag. If that doesn’t fix it, your gun is likely broken. Go to Plan C.
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That feed ramp doesn't look right, for sure. I would be interested to know how the bore looks. S&W has been turning out guns with matt grooves for a while, especially on the M&P series.
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So I polished the feed ramp today. No difference in appearance, really. Mine has hash marks for sure but it FEELS super smooth, so Im'a gonna run her tomorrow (hopefully at least 150 rounds) and see how she does. If all good, I will leave it alone and run it. Pics below. Before (1st photo)/After (2nd Photo) (a little Flitz left behind on the "after" photo):
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I am not sure if you are trying to give me advice. If so, thanks, I think I know a thing or two about malfunctions and how to clear them. If you are trying to say that it is “normal” for loaded magazines not to fall free when ejected, or that it is a desirable feature, then every one of my handguns is faulty, according to that standard, as all of them allow a full magazine to drop free when the magazine release button is pressed.
The CSX is the only currently made S&W that interests me, and I approached it from the position of WANTING to like it. I hope that people who get theirs enjoy them. I did not care for it. Hopefully S&W or the aftermarket world will work out the trigger and bulging magazine issues, and one can find a home in my collection.
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Whether that feed ramp works correctly now or not, it is not common for a ramp to look like that. I believe that is out of spec.
To fix it properly will require either re-cutting it or grinding on it. That could change dimensions which then could make it unreliable. This is a warranty issue. Just because it works now does not mean that it will still work in the future or with all ammo types.
As to mags dropping free, I believe the correct factory set up is for empty mags to drop clear of the grip. Half-partial to fully loaded mags should stay in the gun. Dropping a loaded mag when you did not intend to do so (accidental mag release) is no bueno.
If you want a loaded mag out of the gun, strip it and drop it, or retain it. Your decision. If you don’t want it out of the gun, but for some reason it is not fully seated, Tap/Rack.
Double stack mags that expand slightly outward when loaded but are slightly thinner when empty do this when in a properly sized grip.
While there are numerous different dogmatic malfunction clearance dances specified for different types of malfunctions, KISS. Ultimately, you must get a new cartridge in the chamber.
Obvious stove pipe? Lock slide to the rear, bump mag, roll pistol to right and dump problem. Release slide to reload.
All others? Remove and stow mag; roll pistol to right and rack 3x; reload with different mag. If that doesn’t fix it, your gun is likely broken. Go to Plan C.
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So I polished the feed ramp today. No difference in appearance, really. Mine has hash marks for sure but it FEELS super smooth, so Im'a gonna run her tomorrow (hopefully at least 150 rounds) and see how she does. If all good, I will leave it alone and run it. Pics below. Before (1st photo)/After (2nd Photo) (a little Flitz left behind on the "after" photo):
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How long did you polish, and at what RPM? Did you have a chance to shoot it? 200 rounds through mine with no issue.
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