Smith & Wesson Forum

Go Back   Smith & Wesson Forum > Smith & Wesson Semi-Automatic Pistols > Smith & Wesson Semi-Auto Pistols
GenBiz

Notices

Smith & Wesson Semi-Auto Pistols Other Smith & Wesson Semi-Automatic Pistols from the 1950's to Present


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 07-03-2022, 01:49 PM
mitchjt mitchjt is offline
Member
4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins  
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 172
Likes: 2
Liked 141 Times in 65 Posts
Default 4013 to 1013 Project Begins

All, I am starting my third conversion of a 4013 to 10MM. The last two functioned very good. The first one I did for myself and made numerous changes to the look and function. The second one I did with my son and made it just plane Jane. This next one I will change the look of the frame and Cerakote. But what I really want to do is modify the slide as we have all seen BCM perform his magic. I can't mill it myself so I will go to a machine shop for help. And for the life of me I can't find his old post with photos of his slide work. Can someone please help me find is photos? I will need them for the machine shop. Thanks in advance.

Last edited by mitchjt; 07-12-2022 at 02:55 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 07-03-2022, 01:57 PM
Jeppo's Avatar
Jeppo Jeppo is online now
SWCA Member
4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins  
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Davidson County, NC
Posts: 1,937
Likes: 6,501
Liked 3,760 Times in 1,285 Posts
Default

Use the Advanced Search function. Search for threads by BMCM.

Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #3  
Old 07-03-2022, 02:27 PM
cherrypointmarine's Avatar
cherrypointmarine cherrypointmarine is online now
SWCA Member
4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins  
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Oviedo,Fl
Posts: 2,096
Likes: 552
Liked 4,390 Times in 1,404 Posts
Default

I don't know if Bill does slides or not . Most of them here were done by Guzzitaco , of which a couple were mine . If you look I think he even has the spec's for the job , I know he's posted pic's with layout fluid on the slides .
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Like Post:
  #4  
Old 07-12-2022, 12:42 PM
mitchjt mitchjt is offline
Member
4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins  
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 172
Likes: 2
Liked 141 Times in 65 Posts
Default

I received the advise I need to proceed and I received the host pistol for the project. The great news is that this is the perfect 4013 for the project. After shooting a couple rounds for function I field striped it and was shocked to see how great the frame looked. This gun has hardly ever been shot. The inside was clean and in perfect condition. The strange thing is that the outside of the pistol looks terrible with what may be handling, dropping, stored in the bottom of a tool box and whatever. The frame has some strange scrapping areas that look like the gun was stored on threaded rod hooks. But all of this is good since now I don't have to feel bad about taking tools onto a collectable old Smith. I will try to post a few pictures.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg IMG_4967.jpg (44.1 KB, 61 views)

Last edited by mitchjt; 07-12-2022 at 12:48 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #5  
Old 07-12-2022, 12:49 PM
mitchjt mitchjt is offline
Member
4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins  
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 172
Likes: 2
Liked 141 Times in 65 Posts
Default

Let try another picture.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg IMG_4968.jpg (46.2 KB, 59 views)
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 07-12-2022, 03:00 PM
mitchjt mitchjt is offline
Member
4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins  
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 172
Likes: 2
Liked 141 Times in 65 Posts
Default

I am going to try something a little different this time. The grip is as beat up as the underside of the frame. Instead of installing a new grip I will sand, file, blast and Cerakote a light gray like the old Lady Smith grips. Anybody out there restore a 3rd Gen grip?
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 07-12-2022, 03:22 PM
Erocksmash's Avatar
Erocksmash Erocksmash is offline
Member
4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins  
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: SW Florida
Posts: 1,939
Likes: 3,326
Liked 2,943 Times in 954 Posts
Default

I was advised from the MAN himself BMCM not to modify the slide (front cooking serrations). It needs to retain all of its mass, as any removal will reduce the service life of the gun.....

Just what I have been told regarding mine.

Erik
__________________
This is the way....
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #8  
Old 07-12-2022, 03:36 PM
mitchjt mitchjt is offline
Member
4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins  
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 172
Likes: 2
Liked 141 Times in 65 Posts
Default

Yes, that is the same advice BMCM gave me and I respect his judgment on the slide mass issue.
On another subject, does anyone remember someone using a single flat wire recoil spring instead of the two nested round wire springs?
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #9  
Old 07-12-2022, 08:08 PM
Erocksmash's Avatar
Erocksmash Erocksmash is offline
Member
4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins  
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: SW Florida
Posts: 1,939
Likes: 3,326
Liked 2,943 Times in 954 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mitchjt View Post
Yes, that is the same advice BMCM gave me and I respect his judgment on the slide mass issue.
On another subject, does anyone remember someone using a single flat wire recoil spring instead of the two nested round wire springs?
Exactly what I have in mine, BMCM did my entire conversion, from night sights to a flatwire conversion W/new guide rod, duty action trigger job and a decocker only conversion...

I can send you some pictures if you like, just send me a email
__________________
This is the way....
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #10  
Old 07-14-2022, 11:33 AM
mitchjt mitchjt is offline
Member
4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins  
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 172
Likes: 2
Liked 141 Times in 65 Posts
Default

Yes, please send pictures.
There will be a delay in my progress because I am having total shoulder replacement surgery in a couple of days. At least is ins't my gun hand side. Honey, load me up a pistol I want to shoot!
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #11  
Old 07-17-2022, 03:59 AM
BLUEDOT37's Avatar
BLUEDOT37 BLUEDOT37 is offline
Member
4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins  
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: N.E. OKLA.
Posts: 5,920
Likes: 5,215
Liked 8,042 Times in 3,086 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mitchjt View Post
On another subject, does anyone remember someone using a single flat wire recoil spring instead of the two nested round wire springs?
I used to use the ISMI flat wire springs in my 4013/4013TSW's but once I did a test & found they did not exert as much force as the S&W dual nested springs or Sprinco's nested springs I quit using them.

I'd certainly never put them in my 1013 using full power 10AUTO loads.

.



.
.


.


.
__________________
Tell me lies U can't disguise

Last edited by BLUEDOT37; 07-17-2022 at 04:00 AM. Reason: .
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #12  
Old 07-17-2022, 04:46 PM
Erocksmash's Avatar
Erocksmash Erocksmash is offline
Member
4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins  
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: SW Florida
Posts: 1,939
Likes: 3,326
Liked 2,943 Times in 954 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BLUEDOT37 View Post
I used to use the ISMI flat wire springs in my 4013/4013TSW's but once I did a test & found they did not exert as much force as the S&W dual nested springs or Sprinco's nested springs I quit using them.

I'd certainly never put them in my 1013 using full power 10AUTO loads.

.



.
.


.


.
This is interesting... my understanding only goes so far, but what I gather the dual nested is very best to use runing full blast 10mm in the 1013?
__________________
This is the way....
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 07-20-2022, 02:33 AM
BLUEDOT37's Avatar
BLUEDOT37 BLUEDOT37 is offline
Member
4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins  
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: N.E. OKLA.
Posts: 5,920
Likes: 5,215
Liked 8,042 Times in 3,086 Posts
Default 1013 spring options

Quote:
Originally Posted by Erocksmash View Post
...but what I gather the dual nested is very best to use runing full blast 10mm in the 1013?
As far as a stock recoil spring arrangement, I agree.

But I use a variation on it.

I'm using a S&W factory inner spring (#108670000) with a Wolff extra power recoil spring as the "outer" spring.

I tested the force with a Wolff 19# & a 21# as the outer & decided to go with the lighter one, which still has plenty of power but a 17# or a 15# would be a more conservative choice.

In my test chart below, the top half was to show what you gain by using a heavier main/hammer spring (blue circled) -vs- the standard main/hammer spring (green circled) in conjunction with the factory dual/nested recoil springs.

You don't gain anything fully compressed, with the slide fully rearward. You gain in the middle where the hammer is resisting the slide's movement.

The bottom half shows the 21# outer (dark red circled) -vs- the 19# outer (light red circled), in conjunction with the heavier (23#) mainspring, where you gain (additionally) with the slide fully rearward & fully compressed recoil springs.

.

1013 recoil spring option:
----------------------------
S&W #108670000, inner spring
Wolff #47719, outer spring
.


.
.

.

Test chart: 1013 spring force measurements
.

.


.
__________________
Tell me lies U can't disguise

Last edited by BLUEDOT37; 07-21-2022 at 01:48 AM. Reason: .
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #14  
Old 08-10-2022, 07:29 AM
mitchjt mitchjt is offline
Member
4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins  
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 172
Likes: 2
Liked 141 Times in 65 Posts
Default

The shoulder replacement surgery is three weeks behind me now and my wife has allowed me to work one handed in the man cave. The first project was to get rid of the three bad marks on the frame.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg IMG_4990.jpg (46.5 KB, 26 views)
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #15  
Old 08-10-2022, 07:39 AM
mitchjt mitchjt is offline
Member
4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins  
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 172
Likes: 2
Liked 141 Times in 65 Posts
Default

Next I pointed Smith and Wessons flat top checkering on the front strap. IMHO the only damage I could not get rid of was one broken point that was already on the frame from whatever horrible life this frame went through. But like I said earlier, the inside is perfect! After flat black Cerakote it may not show this missing point.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg IMG_4992.jpg (45.5 KB, 38 views)
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #16  
Old 08-10-2022, 07:42 AM
mitchjt mitchjt is offline
Member
4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins  
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 172
Likes: 2
Liked 141 Times in 65 Posts
Default

Next I reshaped the beaver tail to remove some of the bulk.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg IMG_4993.jpg (39.7 KB, 31 views)
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #17  
Old 08-10-2022, 07:47 AM
mitchjt mitchjt is offline
Member
4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins  
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 172
Likes: 2
Liked 141 Times in 65 Posts
Default

So before being run out of the shop, I rechecked and sanded the grip. Yes you can buy new but I wanted to save this one. The next step well be to blast it and give it a Glock gray Cerakote finish. This will take two arms and I have two weeks to wait to get the left arm into light duty.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg IMG_4983.jpg (53.7 KB, 39 views)
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 08-11-2022, 07:36 PM
BMCM's Avatar
BMCM BMCM is offline
US Veteran
4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins  
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: SW Mississippi
Posts: 1,278
Likes: 2,072
Liked 5,651 Times in 975 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mitchjt View Post
Next I pointed Smith and Wessons flat top checkering on the front strap. IMHO the only damage I could not get rid of was one broken point that was already on the frame from whatever horrible life this frame went through. But like I said earlier, the inside is perfect! After flat black Cerakote it may not show this missing point.
Or, you could remove all of the points...

That machine cut checkering S&W did on those is something like 17 lines per inch. When pointed up it gets rather unpleasant in hand to shoot with and is unnecessarily aggressive in my view.



So I sorted that out by filing down the pattern into a sort of 'grenade grip' profile. Plenty of grip/traction and no bleeding



Cheers
Bill
__________________
Because they don't make a .46
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #19  
Old 08-11-2022, 11:38 PM
FoundFather FoundFather is offline
Member
4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins 4013 to 1013 Project Begins  
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 107
Likes: 52
Liked 106 Times in 49 Posts
Default

BMCM, that looks (ahem).... beautiful! Did you just take a file to the points, or is there a secret you would care to share?
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
***SPF*** S&W 4013 / 1013 10MM DaSatelliteGuy GUNS - For Sale or Trade 4 11-29-2014 11:47 AM
4013-1013 mitchjt Smith & Wesson Semi-Auto Pistols 26 05-18-2014 02:13 PM
SPF: S&W 4013 / 1013 10MM DaSatelliteGuy GUNS - For Sale or Trade 2 04-09-2014 04:03 PM
4013-1013 mitchjt Smith & Wesson Semi-Auto Pistols 5 01-24-2014 12:54 PM
WTS/WTT: S&W 1076 & 4013/1013 Simmy952 GUNS - For Sale or Trade 2 03-12-2013 08:57 AM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
smith-wessonforum.com tested by Norton Internet Security smith-wessonforum.com tested by McAfee Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:37 AM.


Smith-WessonForum.com is not affiliated with Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (NASDAQ Global Select: SWHC)