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I’d dig a little deeper about Grossman before I hung my hat on his posturing. I’ve met him . . .
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I'm sure that's a factor too. But I've heard it out of people's own mouths; they're scared of litigation e.g. their brother's neighbor who's a lawyer sez they get people in hot water for using those evil dum dum boolits all the time. OK no one actually said that specific story, but (shocking, I know) there is still a lot of ignorant fear out there.
From reading LTC Grossman's On Killing, I'm also convinced that a large percentage of people who want a gun for defensive purposes want it to go bang and make noise, but taking out a threat is not something they wish to think about or consider. Grossman calls it posturing and firearms are great for that. It doesn't mean the rest of us are bloodthirsty psychopaths, but that we've mentally and psychologically conditioned ourselves for a defense encounter (or, if your profession requires it, an offensive encounter).
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I’d dig a little deeper about Grossman before I hung my hat on his posturing. I’ve met him . . .
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Normally, in debates, one offers a counterpoint, not a demand that the other party do more research to prove their point. What did I state that I should reconsider? Use of a weapon to intimidate without intent to harm or kill is pretty much his definition.
I missed a chance to meet him just last week; several of my friends went to TX to a conference he spoke at. But I'm saving for a trip in a different cardinal direction.
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This isn’t a debate and my comment was merely a friendly suggestion . . .
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Normally, in debates, one offers a counterpoint, not a demand that the other party do more research to prove their point. What did I state that I should reconsider? Use of a weapon to intimidate without intent to harm or kill is pretty much his definition.
I missed a chance to meet him just last week; several of my friends went to TX to a conference he spoke at. But I'm saving for a trip in a different cardinal direction.
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He probably figures the gun was carried and fired by someone familiar with firearms, therefor it is broken in, functions properly. "Those in the know" know that a NIB handgun needs some "breaking in", get those moving parts used to working with each other, remove any small burrs and rough spots, etc. And one must get the feel of it, practice drawing, etc. Not to mention seeing where it shoots.
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When we traded in our issued Model 15s for new stainless Model 64s I would not leave the range w/o putting some rounds down range first. Interestingly I was the only one of over 300 sworn officers who insisted on doing this.
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If you are in a self-defense situation and your pull you weapon only to hear "CLICK," it will be the loudest, and perhaps the last, sound you'll ever hear.
I had a nice Browning HP which I had a well-known gunsmith work on, that I carried when I got it back, before I personally fired it. It would not shoot. Three tries to get a round to go off. The gunsmith wanted me to return it to him and told me he had fired it. I had no reason to doubt him. We decided that changing the firing pin spring would be the place to start. He sent one ASAP and when I installed it, the gun ran like a sewing machine. I learned then to NEVER carry a pistol I haven't personally fired and my preference is about 200 rounds before I view the gun as trustworthy.
Just my .02.
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Unfortunately lots of people think that way.
That just the mere carrying of a weapon makes them safe. My brother in law and his wife are perfect examples. They asked me for some advice when they got them. Subsequent to that, months ago. I do not think that they have fired any of their guns. This despite me telling them that they have just succeeded in giving themselves a very dangerous false sense of security.
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That just the mere carrying of a weapon makes them safe. My brother in law and his wife are perfect examples. They asked me for some advice when they got them. Subsequent to that, months ago. I do not think that they have fired any of their guns. This despite me telling them that they have just succeeded in giving themselves a very dangerous false sense of security.
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Can you say "talisman"?
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I bet this mind set is more common than you think .
The population seems to be suffering from two things
1.) A gross lack of common sense .
2.) The Pandemic no one talks about ... " The Screaming Stoopid's "
No cure , no vaccine ... no smart pills ... the WHO ignores the problem ...
Dr. Falseky doesn't even talk about it . I can see it in people's actions and speech every day ... Just like what the OP cites !
You are going to bet your life on someting untried and untested ?
My Dad would say ... " Boy ... don't be acting the fool ! " and my old man had a lot on the ball .
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I was amazed and shocked... why would anyone trust a pistol they had yet too fire even once as their concealed carry handgun, to me the idea is incredulous/ absurd!
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I see it all the time.
I don't carry anything that I haven't put a thousand rounds through. And I'm not just talking about a B27 at 10 yards ... I make sure I'm regularly shooting a variety of different LEO qualification tests to keep things interesting and more dynamic.
That also lets me weed out the guns that are terrible, or cool but probably not worth carrying. Even after just a hundred rounds, the strengths and weaknesses of a particular gun come to surface ... and that helps me decide whether it's something I'd want to trust my life to.
All of my carry guns are bone-stock. Glock and Wilson know a lot more about building guns than I do ... so I choose to spend my money on training. As is almost always the case, the limiting factor isn't the gun; it's the guy holding it ...
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this discussion reminds me of a book I read in high school,
back in the early 1960s,
I remember reading the book "The Man-Eaters of Tsavo "
where J. H Patterson, who eventually killed the two maneaters, who killed hundreds of railroad workers over several months on a RR bridge build in Africa,
was given a rifle to hunt the lions,.. he took it out to hunt them with it, and never having fired it,
and found the rifle would not fire only after having one of the lions in his sights at point blank range..
and through sheer luck alone, lived to tell about it
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this discussion reminds me of a book I read in high school,
back in the early 1960s,
I remember reading the book "The Man-Eaters of Tsavo "
where J. H Patterson, who eventually killed the two maneaters, who killed hundreds of railroad workers over several months on a RR bridge build in Africa,
was given a rifle to hunt the lions,.. he took it out to hunt them with it, and never having fired it,
and found the rifle would not fire only after having one of the lions in his sights at point blank range..
and through sheer luck alone, lived to tell about it
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Have read the book It is a wonder he was able to get the lions, before they got him.
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Maybe your brother in law is reluctant to fire the gun because its pedigree precludes the gun from being the source of any inaccuracy? Many persons, including some LEO's (one HPD officer showed up to his qualification with the bullets rusted into the magazine) carry guns to have them and hope they and the gun will know what to do if the time comes. Had I not learned so much here so long ago I might be one of them.
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Some people think that acquiring something-a firearm, e.g. from someone who knew how to use it means some of that person's spirit will come with it.
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