If S&W were to make a another/new 10mm auto do you think it would sell? It could be 1911, 3rd generation auto, or even the new M&P format. With numerous gun makers introducing 10mm's I just wonder why S&W wouldn't.

O2B

I would buy a full size M&P in 10mm if the frame can handle the round. I really enjoy reloading and the 10 looks like the ticket. I am 99% sure I will be purchasing a 10 by fall and am currently leaning toward a Glock 22. Not really interested in a 1911 format just makes me think of a 45acp or 38 super.

Without a doubt. Especially if they can keep the price reasonable say less than $800.
But that is asking WAYA too much.
Take care and God Bless..HT

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Glock 20 or 29 is their 10 mm's.
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BM1

If enough people reload it would have a chance, but most people depend on factory ammo and I have not seen 10mm for sale in a long, long time.

As much as I would love to have a M&P in 10mm... S&W will never make another 10mm again.

They seem to still be in the 10mm game with the 310 and 610, I know they are not semi-autos, but there is hope.

It sure does seem to be hard to find 10mm ammo and when you do find it, it is out of the ballpark, pricewise.

Karnivore

If I was blessed to win the mega millions I would throw enough money at them to get them to build a 1016, perhaps even one with a scandium frame. That is the 10mm I want from Smith and Wesson.

I have 15 10mm handguns. Look for an S&W in 10mm. I have the Glock 20 and 29. I like the 29. The 20 does not feel right in my hand. The grip is wrong for me. Glocks don't like reloads.

A new S&W 10mm, in any semi-auto flavor, would be great, but very unlikely. I was at the Scottsdale Gun Club when they had a S&W rep and when my buddy asked about a 10mm M&P he stated that: the 610 wasn't really selling well, why would we make an M&P in 10mm? He also stated that if you could get 500 firm pre-orders that the performance center would make them.

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J.D. Roy

There's plenty of factory 10MM ammo available here (CCI & PMC mostly). It is expensive and that may explain why it's still on the shelves.

I've been reloading since I got my 1006 in the early '90s but now I'm having a hell of a time finding bullets. I'd love to shoot it more, too.

As for the original question, I'd go for a 1911 in 10MM. The Delta Elite is nice, but way overpriced for what you get, although I have to admit I've been thinking of buying one now that Colt is making them again. If S&W would offer one for less than a grand, I'd jump on it in a heartbeat.

Its coming, the Vltor Fortis 10MM. Clone of the Bren Ten. Check it out: http://vltor.wordpress.com/

15!? I am humbled. I got only 8. I'd have 11 if I didn't make that mistake of getting three 40 Short&Weaks. What was I thinking? Bought a second 40 without ever trying the first one first. The last was a CS40 dao at a bargain.

Anyway, getting back to the 10mm, Smith&Wesson doesn't want any cartridge in an autoloading gun to compete with their 40.

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9tenz

You are correct the glock 22 is a 40, slip on my part. If the glocks do not like reloads I sure would not like a glock. Loading is 1/3 the fun of shooting. And I now remember something about glocks not liking lead bullets and I would have to buy a different barrel. Guess I will have to keep thinking about it for a while and hope S&W brings out a 10 auto.

Thanks for the information

Fired Doubletap 200gr hardcast in my Kimber 10mm and it leaded up pretty good too after 50 rounds.

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9tenz

"if the frame can handle the round ?" I think the M&P comes in .357 sig ? 40,000 psi. 10mm is 30,000 psi. I have seen blocks with cracked slides and frames in .357 sig, 40k psi. there is not adequate sales in 10mm to justify this in a time when sales are booming on existing products.

Given that booms don’t last forever, wouldn’t a 1066 TSW be in line? I would think that it would require very little change-over from the 4566 TSW. A rail milled in the dust cover would be nice instead of the screwed-on rail.

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Ipsis Rebus Dictantitbus

I believe you just described the perfect handgun a 1066TSW !

I own 3 Colt Delta Elites. I love the 10mm round.
I load my own ammo and use Missouri bullets TCFP, 180g, with 10G IMR 800X. They average about 1250 FPS and do not lead the gun. I shoot 40 S&W and 10mm MORE than I shoot 45. In fact I'm more accurate with 10mm, I wish the ammo was easier to find.

John

Thanks for all of the replies. With all of the stuff the Performance Center is doing I don't think they'd have any problem selling 500 or so special built 10mm autos.

Maybe I'm just dreaming.
O2B

I am sure you mean a Glock 20 not 22?

There's plenty of 10mm ammo to be found online. Prices are pretty close to the price of .357mag ammo.

I'd probably buy a s&w 10mm if they started making them again. I just don't think there's much demand for a 10mm handgun for some reason, that's probably why so few companies currently make 10mm handguns.

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Most of the factory ammo is watered down ammo since the wimps at the FBI cried that the full load stuff was uncontrollabe and hurt their soft hands. One reason that the 40mm got the nod ,since most of the FBI people could qualify with the high vel 10 ammo. They even had low vel. 10 ammo made to try to make things work out but that did not pan out either.

One thing good about the 10 if you reload, you can always go down to the wimpy 40 velositys and loads if you want........ the 40 will never be a 10.

Watered down or not there is still all the 10mm you can buy available online at various Bulk Ammo suppliers. Of course it is cheaper and more custom to reload but for those who don't think you can buy 10mm ammo now are not looking very hard.
Wally World doesn't stock it but then I don't buy any of my ammo from wally World! Too much hassle trying to find a sales clerk with a key to the case. I buy 95% of my ammo online and 10mm is readily abundant.

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I know this is an older post, but S&W, if that's true, here's firm order #1!

The factories learned a long time ago, that if you want to sell more ammo cut back on the muzzle blast and recoil. 38 Super, 357 Mag, 44 Mag, 10MM all have been cut back from the original specs. One of the reasons I roll my own.

Armscor is selling their 1911 10mm thru Cheaper Than Dirt for $599...
However not everyone is interested in yet another 1911 pistol!

I am with a few of you here S&W will not step out of their comfort zone to build an M&P 10mm, it boils down to No Contracts for such an animal eventhought the shooting public that like and shoot the 10mm guns long for another good model for the 10mm ballistic performance.

Underwood Ammo has some of the most potent 10mm ammo on the market today...infact I fired some of it from my S&W1006 this evening.

I have been waiting on a new S&W 10mm myself. I wrote them and requested a 10mm M&P. I don't know if they will ever give us another 10mm but you never know the 41 magnum has been declared dead numerous times but yet it hangs in there and the 10mm has a loyal following just like the 41. I hope they do make a new one.

Just wondering. What if we someone DID approach S&W with an order for 500?

I'd put $1,000 into escrow for the chance to have a 1 of 500 gun. And a 10mm to boot!

^^^ what he said...........

I'm not so sure that I would trust the "new S&W" with competently building a non metal framed 10mm... just my $.02.

Now... if they would do a special run of 1006's (or something to that effect), now were talking and I'd be all in for that !!

But being in California, we most likely wouldn't be able to get one anyway...

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Just so these haven't been overlooked...Yes make the M&P10mm!

With the news of dumping third gen parts production it looks like a remake of the 10xx series is now a dream. I doubt they will ever see that a M&P in at least a limited run like a long slide for hunting would sell.

I like the 10 mm, and IMO the best 10mm ever produced were the 3rd gen 10xx series. I passed on Deltas because a lot of people complain about the frames or slides, iirc, crack over time. The Smith 10xx series pistols are tanks. The 10mm is a cannon but I do not think they will ever make another 10mm. The ammo is expensive and there are better rounds out there. I am currently in love with the 357 Sig it has reduced recoil, hella high ballistic ratings with the quickness of a 9mm.

If you want a 10mm then you just need to find a 3rd generation in it, those are the benchmark for the round. Although a Brenn Ten would be cool as well if you could find a shooter with an actual mag that works.

My feelings exactly... however, I've got the same problem (nanny government deciding what you can buy/own) here in the People's Republic of Taxachusetts.

I'd love to see an M&P 10mm, however the chances of it actually able to
compete with the Glock 20 are slim and none.
The Glocks have turned into the AR15 of pistols...aftermarket is Huge...
not to mention it having been around and has the reliability & recognition...

A new M&P in 10mm would cost at least $650 minimum...
which would doom it before it ever got started...
mag capacity would be the same or lower...if lower it'd really hurt it...
and we'ed all wait until someone torture tested it until it failed...
because 10mm ain 't yer ordinary cartridge...we'ed need to KNOW.
Just can't see it taking off like a reprint of the 3rd Gen 10xx's would...

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I agree. And, IMHO, they've already made the best 10 MM pistols ever made in the 1006, & variants. If they had only made a SA version with adjustable sights similar to Bomar sights, not the winged monstrosities they put on them. Oh well, there are still some available if you look hard enough.

Big 10mm fan here and I own a 1066. The 10mm is in ballistics inferior to a .357 Sig what the heck are you smoking???
The 10mm has a less sharp recoil and hits MUCH harder than a .357 Sig does and it's not even close in muzzle energy. There is not a single ballistic category that a 10mm will not outperform the .357 Sig badly in and ammo for the 10mm in my area is about as plentiful and priced about the same as .357 sig.
The best 10mm ever produced was the 3rd gen S&W 10 series and they need to reintroduce them as a TSW line in the 3.5, 4 and 5 inch barrels!! We need to see a S&W TSW 1013,1066 and 1006.
The Glocks are mere toys in comparison and the Colt Delta is vastly inferior in case support and strength to the old Smiths. My first 10mm was a Glock 29 which I sold soon after I picked up my 1066 because the Smith out shot it so badly I never wanted to shoot the Glock again.
10mm is making a major come back and several major ammo companies have recently released brand new full power 10mm ammo including Federal. 10mm is not going anywhere as it has has a very loyal following. Smith is making a serious marketing error in not reentering the 10mm market with a updated all steel 10 series.

They used a LPA sight which is sort of like the bomar and if you want it milled flat to the slide, I bet a custom house like Novaks could do it. Funny that Wayne Novak served as a consultant to Smith and Wesson and ended up helping on the redesign of the pistol from the 2nd gen to the 3rd gen, he specifically applied his novak style sites to the slides which is what most 3rd gen Smith and Wesson pistols sport.

I think Smith as of a few years ago was still making a Smith and Wesson wheel gun that used the 10mm cartridge. I never argued the ballistics of the round, for it is a cannon but I would argue that it has more dirty harry drift than the 357 sig meaning that your follow up shots are a lot easier to place on target with the necked down 9 than with the more powerful 10mm load. I have both, I do not see myself parting with either but as a carry weapon the Sig is in favor, it is the primary weapon being used currently by your air marshals and other agencies.

Both rounds are going to pack more punch than the standard 9mm and 40 caliber cartridges.

I have a LPA adjustable on my 1066 and love the sights. MUCH more compact and better looking that the factory adjustable are.
I shoot both full power 10mm and .357 Sig loads regularly.
Recoil is sharper and snappier with a 125 grain hot .357 sig than a 180 Grain 10mm is and follow up easier to me with the 10mm. It does depend a lot on load and bullet weight though.
To compare apples to apples a 135 grain Underwood 10mm is much easier to handle for me and get a solid follow up shot with than an Underwood 125 grain in .357 Sig. You are talking 800+ ft lbs of muzzle energy with the 10mm 135's vs 600 or so with the 125 .357 Sig in the Underwood which is a BIG energy difference!!

After going through 3 10mm handguns I would say no. No point in it. Cant carry very hot loads since they'll just go through my target (SD). A loaded down 10mm is cheaper when it says 40s&w on the box. There are no large animals here for camping. A few black bears but for hiking I carry a 7.62 with a mag capacity of 30.

10 just doesn't fit anywhere. For SD it's too much and too expensive and for hiking there are better options

Yes but at what price for practice?

I am running Underwood as my carry round at 36 bucks a 50 round box.
I can buy locally the wimpy Priv stuff for 21 a 50 round box or mail order the hot Underwood at 30 a box. That + do plan on loading my own as I have plenty of once fired brass.
The 10mm Short and Wimpy (.40 S&W) is no match for a "real" 10mm nor is a .45 or .357 Sig.

If I could find a S&W 1066 I would buy it.

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I have a Glock G20 SF 10mm for the fifteen plus one capacity. I also have a six inch drop-in Glock factory barrel for hunting. I have a Colt Delta Elite 1911 and a Kimber Stainless Target II 1911 as 10mm carry guns. I carry Buffalo Bore or Underwood 180 grain JHP in the Glock. I carry Winchester Silvertip 175 grain JHP in the 1911s. I would be interested in an S&W semi-auto or revolver in 10mm.

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I liked the performance of the 10mm Kimber, but the elevated grip safety took a bite out of the web of my thumb. I save the max power stuff for hunting and limit my practice loads to 200 grain cast at around 1050 fps, not 1200 fps! I couldn't afford 50 rounds of Doubetap for practice, but haven't had leading problems with handloads so far. I use Unique powder, Rim Rock 200 grain standard hardcast, BHN of 15.

No. I have enough 10mm's for my fancy. I doubt it would sell well either.

10mm represents about the maximum power level that most "average" shooters can hope to control. Most can't in my experience and don't like to admit they are getting beat up by the gun. So they badmouth it. It is too weak, its not a 41 mag, its not a 45 etc. I have listened to this for years as a 10mm fan so I just don't think it will go.

I like letting folks shoot my 10mm Baer HWML 1.5" gun with full power (not 40 short and weak) ammo, you know, 200@1200 is my motto. Most will start shotgunning by the 2nd or 3rd round. Next I hand them the identical gun (also a 1.5" guarantee gun) in 38 Super shooting 130@1300. Everyone does better and normally comments on how accurate the gun is and great to shoot. They guns are the same, it is the caliber that is different and few get that.

So my observation is 10mm will not sell well, it will be a niche round that does ok like the 38 Super. It is for those that understand that it is more than a 45+P and needs to be controlled. It is a good hunting round for the right game, it is a great plinker and a fun round if you can control it.

So to the original OP, no I would not buy one, and no I don't think it would sell well.

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If only a contract from the military would be generated for 10mm guns, would we see something new maybe. But even then, I doubt it would be S&W to get such a contract, seeing how they have in the past used Beretta and FN for some of their recent procurements.