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Old 01-13-2009, 04:26 PM
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After reading numerous threads here about the CS9 as a carry piece, I decided to buy one of the used ones from summitgunbroker. Mine turned out to be in great shape, very little holster wear compared to the one he had pictured on his site. Definitely did not like the "fat" grips though, so ordered a set from Big Dog. Put them on (thanks for the help Big Dog) and this gun is ready to go. All total I'm at $405 for gun and grips. Just need to find another mag or two (can't keep track of what mags are compatible) and a good leather IWB. Couple of pics showing the grips also in case you were looking for thinner ones. And the white at the base of the slide is TW25 from the range session.



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Old 01-13-2009, 04:40 PM
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Very Nice! That's a great Deal. I was looking at those last month but I'm a lefty and it has no ambidextrous safety.
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Old 01-13-2009, 05:33 PM
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Nice looking CS9 you have and welcome to the forum. Last week I took delivery of my new to me CS40, have not made it to the range yet. There are a couple of things that I want to have done to it.

I was looking at the CS9 from Summitt, I'm glad to hear that yours worked out. Everyone that I have seen post about them has had good things to say.

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Old 01-13-2009, 05:42 PM
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Old 01-13-2009, 06:10 PM
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Excellent deal! Congrats on a nice carry piece.
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Old 01-13-2009, 06:20 PM
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great gun. I never got used to the rubber grips and sold mine. I had one of the few stainless DAO versions made. I think this gun would have been a huge hit if they had just offered it with the grips you have on it.
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Looks good Reid,
Nice to meet you and I am glad that you are pleased.
I appreciate the business.
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Old 01-14-2009, 07:59 PM
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Very Nice! That's a great Deal. I was looking at those last month but I'm a lefty and it has no ambidextrous safety.
That's odd - I'm a lefty as well. My CS9 has the ambi decocker. I thought all CS9s did. I know the 908 / 910 line does not.
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Old 01-14-2009, 08:42 PM
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Very Nice! That's a great Deal. I was looking at those last month but I'm a lefty and it has no ambidextrous safety.
find you a DAO

CS9D or if you get a good deal on a single sided CS9, then SW can fit an ambi body or make it a DAO.



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That is a excellent price for your CS9.I added night sights on mine,had it converted to DAO as a matter of personal preference,and it proudly wears Big Dog's CS9 Delrin Grips Pair #1.Glad to see so many other happy CS9 owners as a result of me being the CS9 grip Crash Test Dummy.Enjoy and God Bless.......MIke http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/...47709249dusnaW http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpag...eitemid=718144
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Old 01-16-2009, 05:29 PM
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Houston Rick, Fastbolt.......will these CS9's handle +P ammo pretty easily? Looking at some Federal LE +P bonded ammo for mine.
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Old 01-16-2009, 06:32 PM
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Yes the CS9 handles the +P ammo without any problem.With my CS9 the hotter the round the more it likes it..........Mike
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Old 01-16-2009, 08:42 PM
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Yes the CS9 handles the +P ammo without any problem.With my CS9 the hotter the round the more it likes it..........Mike
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Have searched but found mixed results. What other mags are compatible with the CS9? I believe I read where the 39 series mags are, but wasn't positive. Would love to find a source for another mag or two, especially one without the finger rest for even more concealability. Any input is appreciated. Thanks.
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Old 01-18-2009, 04:07 PM
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Without any problem? Dunno if I'd say that ...

I've asked this same question during different S&W armorer classes and received pretty much the same answer. S&W realizes that some of their LE customers are going to use higher pressure ammunition in their service weapons (+P/+P+ in 9mm & +P in .45 ACP). S&W tells its LE customers to shoot whatever is issued and recommends periodic inspection for signs of wear, damage or an out-of-spec condition which would require parts replacement. They stress the importance of properly maintaining pistols which are going to be used for dedicated defensive/service usage.

The first time I asked this question in a class the armorer instructor (long time production assembler) said that higher pressure ammunition can certainly accelerate normal wear and tear. Also, that S&W had noted the potential for some conditions to occur when higher pressure ammunition was consistently used.

One example was the potential for the slide stop lever to acquire an angle deviating from the normal 90 degree angle between the lever body and the pin.

We were told that recoil forces can do strange things. S&W had seen the slide stop levers sometimes acquire an angle either greater or lesser than the original factory angle. In other words, the lever body might bend either outward, away from the frame (at the rear), or inward, rubbing against the frame (also at the rear). Both conditions might eventually lend themselves to potential functioning issues.

If the lever acquired an outward bend it might eventually cause the lever's plunger to shift outside the side plate's front angled plate, interfering with normal operation of the lever. the lever's inward extension might not reach far enough inward to reliably engage the follower's shelf so the slide would lock open on an empty magazines, either.

If the lever acquired an inward bend it might potentially interfere with normal functioning at some point because of the back of the lever rubbing too much against the frame, creating too much drag, or the lever's inward extension might hit against the noses of the cartridges and be bumped upward when rounds remained in the magazine.

Recoil (and magazine) springs would probably have to be replaced sooner, too. More pounding and increased slide velocities by the higher pressure ammunition.

I've actually seen a couple of slide stop levers in alloy 9mm's acquire both inward and outward deflections after a lot of +P/+P+ usage over time. I've seen others that didn't, but a couple or so which did. Well, that's why we're told it's recommended to periodically inspect and look, isn't it?

The armorer's class used to teach armorers how to use a Babbitt bar to safely restore the original angle to slide stop levers, but they stopped doing that and now just tell armorers to replace the entire slide stop assembly if it changes from the original angle (or in any way from any other factory original spec). Too much to teach and learn in a short 3-day class. Easier to simply replace the entire assembly (it does contain a plunger, spring and roll pin, you know, making it an 'assembly').

Also, something to bear in mind is that all +P & +P+ ammunition may not be 'the same'. I stick with some offerings from the major makers that have gained experience with producing ammunition for LE agencies.

Higher pressure ammunition is just that ... higher pressure ammunition. How the ammunition maker arrives at increasing the pressure to fall within the +P designation may not be the same for each maker. Higher pressure does not necessarily mean significantly higher velocity, either, or increased 'ballistic performance', for that matter. There may be a trade-off in wear & tear on the shooter/pistol, compared to realistic 'ballistic performance' on target, that is not acceptable to someone or some agency upon occasion.

+P+? That means it's higher than +P ... but how much higher?

There was a time when LE agencies were asked to sign a waiver when they ordered higher pressure ammunition.

Increased inspection and maintenance issues which may be associated with the use of higher pressure ammunition may not be considered practical by some folks.

Now, I've used +P and some +P+ (Winchester 127gr RA9TA & a Remington LE 115gr JHP) in my CS9 (and some other 9mm pistols) without visible accelerated wear and tear. I also carefully inspect and maintain my guns.

In the little CS9 I've decided I'm more comfortable replacing the recoil spring somewhere around the 800 - 1,200 point because I occasionally shoot a box or two of +P+ loads. The factory recommendation for recoil spring replacement is much longer than that. I like to err on the conservative side of safety. Springs are pretty inexpensive and I order several at a time to save shipping costs. (I do the same thing in reqard to my CS45.)

FWIW, the present 9mm ammunition my agency issues for duty/training use is a 124gr +P load, and as long as that's the case I'll be using it for my training, including in my CS9. (It used to be one of a couple of standard pressure 147gr loads.)

You know, I used to carry different standard pressure loads in my short-barreled 9mm pistols without losing any sleep at night, including some 147gr & 124gr HP's. I'd do so again if that's what we were issuing or authorizing again. There's some good quality, improved bullet designs on the current market nowadays.

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Hokie,

Call Mark at www.summitgunbroker.com.
I got my CS-9 last week and ordered three extra mags at $18 each.

I sure wish mine was as pristine as the one pictured in the op.

8 round 3913 mags will fit in the CS-9 and lock up. However, I have not used them in live firing tests.

Is the 7 round 3913TSW mag the same as the CS-9?
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Old 01-18-2009, 04:31 PM
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Thanks Fastbolt for the info. I don't plan on feeding a steady diet of +P ammo in my CS9. To practice with, the basic 9mm round will suffice and then to round it out a couple of mags of +P for practice with +P being the carry round. I have settled on the Federal LE HST 124gr. +P load as my carry load. I have read several good reviews on it as being comparable to the Speer Gold Dot 124gr. +P round. I appreciate your expert opinion. Now if I could only find a CCW holster I like.
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Well, I don't think I'd call it an 'expert opinion' ...

Regurgitating what I've been told and experienced, perhaps ...
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Very Nice! That's a great Deal. I was looking at those last month but I'm a lefty and it has no ambidextrous safety.
find you a DAO

CS9D or if you get a good deal on a single sided CS9, then SW can fit an ambi body or make it a DAO.



Can Smith convert an ambi CS to DAO?
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Thanks...I need to do this...any guess as to the tariff?
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Thanks...I need to do this...any guess as to the tariff?
email or ask tedtrading.

SW is in his backyard and he probably does daily trips there.

He did one to a 3913TSW I bought from him a few years ago and I dont recall the price, but parts and labor was around $125 then.
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