How is the chp new 4006 working out.I dont seem to hear much about it.

How is the chp new 4006 working out.I dont seem to hear much about it.

Me either but to me that is a good thing cause if they had issues it would be all over the forums and in the gun rags. The 4006 is one of the best 40's made so I'm sure it is serving them well.

CHP officers seem to be pleased with them.

The agency has long been pleased with the basic design and platform.

I don't know why they didn't order them with night sights, though.

The spring-loaded, decock-only feature is nice, and I certainly like the integral accessory rails instead of the lightweight cast rail riveted on the other frame design.

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PICS!!!

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I would think their would be some CHP that would jump in on the topic .But I think it must be like here in PA most state police are not into guns its just a job .I did get one of their beretta 96d in 40 cal from one guy .They went to glock 45 gap here.

This is from another forum member.
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n48/palmetto_sharpshooter/CHP-4006.jpg[/img] ]CHP-4006
I asked S&W if they could make these for my PD and they said, "Not right now." I guess they were too busy making internal locks and plastic guns.

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They may be issuing Streamlight M6's negating the need for night sights.

Palmetto,

The SKU for the CHP 4006 is 150149. That includes the bobbed hammer, decocker only, integral rail, no trigger return spring, and 3 mags. Although I believe it comes with a straight backstrap instead of the curved one shown in the picture.

(for comparison, the SKU for the regular 4006TSW is 304410 or 304411)

If S&W indicated that they won't do an entire order for your department, individual officers should be able to purchase one through an LE rep/dealer, at least as long as the CHP line is in production. The pistol would be plugged into the production queue-it just wouldn't have a "CHP-XXX" serial number.

The CHP paid just short of $700 each for their pistols, but they bought 9,000 of them. Typical LE dealer price for officers should be around $850 (depending on area)

Thanks,

As is usually the case, it depends on who you talk to. Sometimes folks can act as though you are really bothering them when they should realize their job is to assist the customer, i.e. me.

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What gives???

The no trigger return spring part?

I was a little surprised when I first learned the trigger return springs had been removed from their older 4006's myself.
I learned about if from a friend of mine who was a CHP weapons officer.

He said that some years ago the CHP gunsmiths in Sacramento apparently decided they no longer wanted to take guns out-of-service just to replace the trigger return springs when they broke. The guns would function fine without them, although the triggers would no longer be held firmly stationary to the rearmost position when cocked in single action mode. This wasn't considered any big deal, since most shooters would never notice it when shooting the guns, anyway.

Besides, the CHP guns were ordered with spurless hammers in the first place to discourage the officers from attempting to thumb-cock the guns into SA mode for their initial shot. (Cocking revolvers had resulted in some negligent shootings in the LE field when revolvers were still is widespread use, you know.)

He went on to say that back when the decision was made to do away with the trigger play springs in the earlier 4006's that they went all around the state removing the trigger play springs from the drawbars and drilling out the drawbar rivet holes so the springs couldn't be installed any more.

So, it seems they're simply ordering the guns without them in the first place nowadays.

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Thanks Fastbolt for the info on the trigger play spring. I had heard about that and wondered why myself. CHP's reason makes a lot of sence when you have 9,000 guns to take care of.

MAN! I wish S&W would release that pistol for civilian sale...

Would it be possible for a dealer here or at Sig Forum to contact S&W and get a "group buy" of these together?

Fastbolt, thank you!

I would love to have the "new" CHP4006.

Hate to revive an old thread, but I am trying to obtain a 4006TSW SKU 150149 for use as a duty gun if anyone knows of a source.

Forum member StVitus put together a group buy just this past May for the Law Enforcement Only versions with the rail built in as one piece, integral to the frame, of the 4566TSW & 4006TSW's.

I did not have the funds then, otherwise I would have jumped on one of the 4006TSW's, I just sent him an email saying there interest on this thread for another group buy.

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I found that thread, thanks. Do you know if the people who contributed to that order all got their orders ok?

That all depends on how many your department will buy and who you talk to. Did you talk to Ernie Langdon or one of the guys doing government sales, or did you just talk to customer service? One dealer on this forum places an order for ten or twenty every so often and they run them with contract builds and gets them no problem.

I do not think he meant to say trigger return spring. The return spring sends the trigger back forward after pulling to the rear and firing. I think he meant the little copper colored leaf spring that is on the front of the trigger, which may have a different name - I think.

The drawbar plunger spring tensions the drawbar rearward (and the drawbar tail upward).

The trigger play spring ... which is indeed the little copper colored leaf spring riveted to the top of the drawbar head ... tensions the trigger in a manner which removes excess trigger play when the hammer is in the cocked, single action position.

The CHP started removing the trigger play springs from their 4006's some years ago. Doesn't surprise me that they'd order new ones without them.

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Yeah, play spring..that's what I meant in that initial reply of mine.

WE have talked to S&W about A run of 4506-3. They would do it,but had to be for 100.

What is a 4506-3? I mean, I know what a 4506 is and a 4506-1, but I am not up to date on the changes, so I do not know what a -2 or -3 is.

4506 R3 has A wider hood, laser engraved, marked 4506. But on box marked 4506 R3. They were never offered to the public. Special order L.E. sales.

I have contacted S&W, THEY WILL DO A RUN OF THE CHP 4006 FOR US. WE MUST BUY 250

Any idea on price? (Ohhhhhhh, I don't know, I can't afford 250 of 'em)

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I haven't heard any follow-up info in the last 3 months.

The M6 is not a substitute for night sights. They give your position away, and make you an easy target! Not to mention the very limited holster selection.

I'm pretty sure the M6 is no longer standard anyway. A really sweet set-up is the CHP 4006 with the Safariland 6280 holster and the TLR-1 weaponlight.

I don't think the CHP carries a light on their pistol on duty though, but I'm not positive.. Does the agency have its own special unit that might use the light?

This whole thread is disheartening. It is another example of S&W having a great product, finally, and then NOT making available to the public in the same configuration that the agency settled on after years of dealing with the pistol and figuring out exactly how they should be set up.

S&W did the same foolish stuff in the 50s, 60s and 70s when they would only make 3 inch and 5 inch Combat Magnums and Masterpieces for agencies, while commercial sales got stuck with that cursed 2 1/2 inch short ejector rod **** and the too long 6 inch 14s and 19s.

I wish a distributor would save us the trouble and order a run of exact duplicates of the CHP pistols. Anyone out there work for Sports South, RSR or any one of the friendly distributors?

It's probably restricted at the request of California. They probably classified it as an "Assault Pistol"!

If anyone is looking for one of these, I saw one for sale today at "The Nations Gun Show" in Chantilly, VA. It was around $700 or so.

I'd suggest that it's not that S&W has decided to refuse to sell the CHP configuration 4006TSW to the public for reasons of the features being restricted to LE, or that CA has any interest in whether it's sold to the public.

The CHP has decided that they desire certain features on their service pistol which wasn't part of the way it was normally produced and sold.

The recoil guide rod was different.

The wanted a spurless hammer. Not to be slick and neat, or because it was better, but mostly because they wanted to discourage their folks from trying to thumb cock the hammer and make a SA shot as their initial shot.

The spring-loaded, decock-only feature was originally designed and intended to be a LE option back in the middle 90's, granted. It doesn't allow for an ON-Safe manual safety, but it also makes sure the pistol is in a ready-to-fire condition ... meaning the user won't draw and present the pistol and try to fire it with the safety unknowingly on. Some folks might not believe the number of times that something like this can happen on a training and qualification range with folks who carry their pistols in the off-safe/ready-to-fire condition ... and they get distracted and forget to return the safety/decocking lever to the ready-to-fire position. Critical moments can be lost in the middle of an actual shooting situation before they realize their weapons are ON-Safe. Not good. It wasn't a standard feature on their commercial guns, or even the LE guns ... but it was available as an option. If a commercial customer wanted it S&W would install it on their gun, although only the TSW and the 4040PD slides routinely received the extra machining necessary to accept the option.

The lack of a trigger play spring would probably annoy some segment of the commercial market, since it results in some increased play and slop in the single action trigger ... which isn't something really noticed by most LE users, though. I've never had a LE user able to tell me that they had noticed the increased looseness of their trigger when I discovered their trigger play spring was missing. Nor did I really notice the lack of one in one of my guns during an extended 800+ round training session over the course of a couple of days. Too busy running through different courses of fire. Private owners tend to take more notice of some things, though. You can read various postings of commercial owners who want to know what the 'click' in their SA trigger stroke is, or how they feel their SA trigger has some extra movement before it breaks.

The adoption of the accessory rail into the frame was a long overdue idea, though. I've never particularly cared for the bolt-on appearance. Even seen one break off and have to be replaced.

The problem with the integral frame rail feature is one of timing, though. The cost of producing the metal-framed TSW series is such that the price is significantly higher than a lot of S&W's other pistols. If commercial sales won't support the production, they aren't going to be produced for commercial sales.

Now, maybe some increased demand from the non-LE market will result in S&W deciding to make limited production runs of the TSW series again. They're certainly good guns. I'm one of the folks who sincerely feels the TSW models can stand should-to-shoulder with any other expensive metal-framed pistol of similar cost and hold their own.

Although I'm not really a user of pistol-mounted lights myself, I wouldn't mind seeing the integral rail concept applied to the 4513TSW, 4013TSW and even the 3913TSW.

Then again, I keep waiting for them to decide to make an all-steel version of the 3913TSW, which we could call a 3916TSW.

FWIW, when I was asking someone at S&W about the potential of having one of the big distributors order a production run of some TSW's, I was told that they'd gladly make them if they're ordered. Folks should probably expect to pay a pretty penny for them, though, at least compared to less-expensive-to-produce models.

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Thanks for the info Fastbolt!

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DOes S&W make this new pistol with an aluminum frame (4003 with integral rail)?

Dunno. Haven't checked.

I do remember being told that there was originally some consideration of making a Scandium aluminum alloy 4003TSW for the CHP, but the decision was made to remain with the stainless steel frame.

A Scandium aluminum alloy frame would've made for an interesting variation, offering both light weight as well as some increased strength. Too bad it didn't come to fruition. Probably would've been expensive, though. I've been told the cost of the Scandium aluminum alloy frame was the cause of the 4040PD being discontinued.

I liked the 4003TSW I handled and used for T&E.

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