Welcome to the forum.At the bottom of the page it will say FORUM OFFICE, there are instructions for posting pictures.The directions are pretty easy to follow,I even managed to figure it out.Here is a picture of one of my FBI 1076`s.It would be interesting to see the weapons log book and other accessories.The blue Performance Center cases are also quite rare.
Thanks for the welcome. Look forward to learning and seeing some of the other hobbyists out there have and know.
I currently out on the road traveling for work but will be back middle of next week and will take some pictures of the log book, instructions, the case and the gun itself middle of next week.
If anyone has any suggestions for good, reasonably priced range ammo and some good home protection ammo it would be greatly appreciated too.
For range ammo Federal American Eagle has worked well in both of my pistols.Would advise you to buy a case (1000 rds) since it is not always available.I would also advise you to fill out a request for a historal letter from Roy Jinks.This would give your 1076 the providance it deserves.At the top of the page on the forum find downloads,there is a request form for a factory letter.Worth the 50.00 price IMO.
Last edited by Dave from Pa; 02-01-2011 at 12:03 PM.
Good to hear because I have some of my father's "law enforcement" rounds I plan on testing a couple and using for home protection but needed a bead on what to use for the range.
Any of you guys have a favorite place to buy them from online?
And yes Dave I definitely plan on it. I am on the road through the pacific northwest and Canada through next week but will be sending the request then. I already have the page for the letter request bookmarked.
S&W confirmed it via the phone but want it to be able to pass on one day myself
Good to hear because I have some of my father's "law enforcement" rounds I plan on testing a couple and using for home protection but needed a bead on what to use for the range.
Any of you guys have a favorite place to buy them from online?
Glad that you found this site. Your pictures will be very nice to have here on this thread. We'd probably like some pictures of the ammo too. Are they still boxed or loose rounds. I know that ammo is for firing but if they are original loads from when your dad was an agent then they may have some collectors value to them and you may want to save those and fire something not as vintage. I look forward to more info and pictures from you and thanks again for letting us know.
Thanks gentlemen. I will do my best to get back and get a few more pictures when I can. I will have pictures of my cleaned up 1076 with my dad's FBI log books and other documents next week when I get home middle of next week. Then next weekend I will take some other pictures.
There is a 50th anniversary FBI service revolver with the FBI seal and the anniversary dates.
The only gun that wasn't put in long term storage is this 3913
Here are the pictures I promised. One from the Firearms Training Unit Manual and the FBI Weapon Log Book. My dad was a Firearms Instructor for the Bureau.
WJF, just checked in and found your posts. Nearly all the TFK62** numbers are FBI 1076s. I own TFK6202 and TFK6238. I have what meager FBI records still exist on the FBI 1076. PM me and I'll check what I have for your Dad's pistol. If you have not already done so I urge you to request a letter from Mr. Jinks. I think you will find that it was shipped to the FBI between 11/90 and 4/91. Congratulations on having your Dad's FBI issue 1076.
My dad's FBI 1076 after being cleaned up in the blue Smith & Wesson Performance Center Case - Also with his FBI log book and some other FBI documents
Another picture
FBI Instruction for taking delivery of this gun
Smith & Wesson Performance Center Logo on the case
WJF,
Hopefully you fill be able to dig deep enough into your Dad's valut and come up with all the issued magazines.
Here are some pictures from Paul Liebenberg of Pistol Dynamics in Palm Bay Florida.
The original S&W FBI 1076 Test and Evaluation gun that was always referred to when a 1076 was in question for any reason.
It was the one that all the other 1076's were compared to, with the "PROTOTYPE" - 9, 11 and 15 round magazines
that are truly one of a kind.
I was asked to not post his S/N.
Regards,
Bad_Man_One
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TEU serial number pistols were included in the first 250 test pistols sent to the FBI Academy. TEU does NOT stand for Test and Evaluation Unit. TEU was simply the serial number series on the line at the time they were selected for shipment to the Bureau. The confusion may stem from the fact that the group of Firearms Instructors that tested the original S&W and Colt entries in the contract competition was called the Test & Evaluation Group. Other serial numbers have been found among the 250 test pistols. And at the time the FBI 1076s were manufactured the pistol frames were pulled from line inventory with no thought of serial numbers and in fact FBI 1076s bear a wide variety of pre-fixes including among others TEU, TEV, TFE, TFF, TFH, TFK, TFL, TFN, TFP, TFX, THB, and THC. I believe that all of the test pistols had the horizontal lines. The crosshatch design on the grip was set forth in the contract and appeared on the pistols at a later date. I believe that all 1076s actually issued to Agents had the crosshatch grip.
If I may, I would like to briefly address the media coverage of the FBI 1076 at the time it was being selected and issued. As is always the case, not everything you read in the magazines of the day was accurate. Just because something appears in writing does not make it true.
Thanks
D
From what they told me I believe you are correct mine was is a FBI according to smith with the horizontal lines, straight grip and TEU022x.
Still haven't figured out why the grips were yellow when I bought it but it.
The box with it is stamped USED from smith and wesson.
Thanks BMO. There is still a lot to go through and will be doing so systematically as I travel a lot and I want them professionally cleaned the first go around by a well experienced gunsmith. There are a few boxes with accessories, holsters, magazines, clips and some LE ammunition. Despite having the FBI records, the Performance Center case and soon to have the official letter confirming the FBI origins of my gun, the simple fact this was my father's sidearm and his most beloved one at that makes this gun far more valuable than anything could ever offer me for it. I have a complete record of the rounds fired and even the record of the shootout it was involved in. It is my father's legacy and it will live on through me.
Do you have a 1076 or just run across the gentlemen in Palm Bay with that gun? I drive past Palm Bay once every month so I might have to stop in. That's pretty damn cool. Only thing is the 11 or 15 round magazines won't fit in the cut out for them in the Performance Center case as seen in both our pictures.
I will be loading more pictures sometime later this week of another special gun sold to agents for their 50th anniversary.
From what they told me I believe you are correct mine was is a FBI according to smith with the horizontal lines, straight grip and TEU022x.
Still haven't figured out why the grips were yellow when I bought it but it.
The box with it is stamped USED from smith and wesson.
I am guessing you cleaned the yellow paint off those grips. If not, then don't since it was likely painted that way at Quantico. The TEU prefixed guns were just as DMC says and were used at the training unit at the academy. We have heard of them having grips painted red and now possibly yellow.
Would love to see a picture of the box and grips if still in yellow.
Just picked this one up on auction. I already have one of the original lot that went to the academy for training and evaluation but had been looking for one that had been an agents gun. All indications tell me this could be one of those, but of course there is always some risk. This one numbers very close to one that would be of particular interest to our 1076 resident expert (DMC) which also helped me to come to the conclusion that it could very well be an agents gun that had been returned to S&W.
Dacoontz, super find my friend. Since it was shipped in May it will have the very latest updates from S&W. It was either assigned to an Agent or was scheduled to be assigned to an Agent. Seee my PM. Congrats!
First, thank you everyone for the information in this thread. It has helped me immensely in my search for a 1076. Well, I got very luck on Saturday at the local gun show. I found someone walking the aisles with one for sale. When I inspected it, I found the condition to be like new. Further, it has a TEU serial number under 100. There is no magazine disconnect and the warning is marked on the slide. It has standard novak 3 dot sights. I will be calling Smith and Wesson this week to see what they can tell me about it as well as sending in a request for the documentation.
Now, with all the information in this thread, I found one thing interesting that I have not read anywhere else. On the inside of the slide, it is marked 1006. Has anyone else seen this? Here is a picture of the marking.
Upon cleaning it, I found the trigger play spring appears to be broken on one side. This seems to be an easy fix from where I've read elsewhere.
All told, I paid $600 and am very happy regardless if it comes back as one of the initial FBI weapons. Here are two other pictures.
Thank you again everyone. I've had a Delta Elite for over 20 years and can now happily add the 1076 to my collection.
UPDATE: I called S&W this morning. The gentleman I talked to in Service said he did not have the information available concerning if it was shipped to the FBI initially. He did say the recall had been performed as the gun was in the shop in 1994. It does not have the dots to indicate this. I am filling out the request form today and mailing it in this week. I will update all when I get it back.
dwp10mm,
I see no indication that your gun is anything but one of those within the first group that was sent to the FBI academy for the initial testing of this model. I have never seen a TEU prefixed 1076 not letter as an FBI gun. It's great to see these found and shared here. I have to be honest, I'd love to know just how low yours is numbered. I can't recall for certain but I believe DMC told us once in this thread that the numbers began around TEU 0049 but don't hold me to it. I'll have to search through here again. Congrats!!
Edit: Checked back and the lowest DMC has in his records is TEU0042 so there you go.
The lowest known number is TEU0042 and the highest known number is TEU0385. I have never been able to find a complete list of serial numbers. I have discovered that writing a book requires the ability to write.
Dave,
Question, if 250 were in the first shipment do you think the TEU prefix extends outside that first shipment. With your data above it makes me think that could be the case but wanted to ask what your observations have been on that. Of course this assumes guns were numbered sequentially without any gaps and can't see any reason for S&W doing any other way. Daniel.
I think there may be a possibility that all of the first 50 were TEU. But not the 250. I have one of the 250 that is not TEU. Remember that S&W took whatever frames off the rack they needed when assembling the FBI 1076s. There was no rhyme or reason about it and helps explain why there are so many different prefix's on FBI pistols. TEU0042 is still the lowest serial number I'm aware of. Any lower numbers out there?
Not to sound retarded but I have e-mailed Smith and saved the money and they will tell you based on the serial #-that is all they need.
I have done this on 4006's and a 1076 and they will tell you when it was built and weather or not it was FBI
Great news. I received my letter back today confirming the pistol I purchased about 3 weeks ago was indeed an authentic FBI model. Here is the letter.
I asked for information on the inside slide markings but nothing was mentioned in the letter. Maybe I'll email customer service and ask if they can expand on it.
I immediately saw that as well. There are a few grammatical errors in the letter also. Did they mean FBI Contract Variant? It says Variation. Also towards the end, it has "This pistol was returned by from".
I immediately saw that as well. There are a few grammatical errors in the letter also. Did they mean FBI Contract Variant? It says Variation. Also towards the end, it has "This pistol was returned by from".
He'd probably fix it if you wanted him to but I like seeing some grammatical errors from time to time because then you know you are getting an authetic letter and not something that was simply cut and pasted.
He'd probably fix it if you wanted him to but I like seeing some grammatical errors from time to time because then you know you are getting an authetic letter and not something that was simply cut and pasted.
Thanks. I'll keep it as it is enough confirmation for what I was looking for. I would like to see some reasoning as to the marking inside the slide saying MOD 1006. I will be emailing to see if they can bring some clarity to that.
Thanks. I'll keep it as it is enough confirmation for what I was looking for. I would like to see some reasoning as to the marking inside the slide saying MOD 1006. I will be emailing to see if they can bring some clarity to that.
I'd like to know the answer to this, also. It's an interesting mystery.
My Kentucky State Police 1076 has no such marking.
S&W submitted four pistols to the Firearms Training Unit at the time it responded to the FBI's Request For Proposal. All four pistols were clearly marked "Model 1006" on the frames below the serial number. One of those four pistols had a 3 1/2" barrel.
S&W submitted four pistols to the Firearms Training Unit at the time it responded to the FBI's Request For Proposal. All four pistols were clearly marked "Model 1006" on the frames below the serial number. One of those four pistols had a 3 1/2" barrel.
I wonder if this is where the rumor of the existence of a 1016 began.
S&W submitted four pistols to the Firearms Training Unit at the time it responded to the FBI's Request For Proposal. All four pistols were clearly marked "Model 1006" on the frames below the serial number. One of those four pistols had a 3 1/2" barrel.
I remember reading that somewhere. My frame is clearly marked 1076. It is the inside of the slide that says MOD 1006. I believe you said a few pages back that you had one also marked this way. I've also seen confirmation from other 1076 owners that say 10MM on the inside of the slide. Just really curious as to why they were marked this way and would like to get an answer from S&W if possible. I specifically asked this in the request letter as well as sent the picture below but nothing was mentioned in the official letter I received back.
I have finally been in town long enough to get to these and post some samples of the data. I have shown pictures of the 1990 and 1992 Ammunition test results performed by the FBI as well as their Hydrashok testing. The testing was performed by round (10mm, 9mm, .45ACP, .38 Special, .40 S&W, .357 Magnum) and by manufacturer (Federal etc...). I am also in possession of my father's Firearms Instructors Manual. I will be taking them to FedEx Office to try and find out how much to make copies and ship should you like. There are 4 books/manuals/findings in total. Please let me know if interested so I can know whether it is worth the trip or not.
Well, as I suspected, my most recently acquired 1076 lettered as an FBI gun that was later sold to an agent. Anyone with any ideas on finding out which agent bought this gun? Anyway, below is the letter and some pics. Happy to put this one in the safe by the FBI academy 1076 I started out with.
I wonder if this is where the rumor of the existence of a 1016 began.
One of the websites I have researched 10mm stuff on had this picture when talking about the S&W 3rd gen 10mm development. They may have only made one, but I think a 1016 would be a real nice carry piece.
Wow! What an incredible photo of the "1016." If only they shot the other side with the serial number. I doubt S&W made a practice of making 3.5" barrel pistols. I would wager it is the one and only ans is the FBI test pistol. The FBI should have returned it to S&W. One can only wonder what has happened to it.
One of the websites I have researched 10mm stuff on had this picture when talking about the S&W 3rd gen 10mm development. They may have only made one, but I think a 1016 would be a real nice carry piece.
Hello all,
That's a 4516 in that old internet photo.
Look at the magazine, it does not have the protrusions (dimples) that the 10 m.m. mags have in them so they do not insert into .45 ACP caliber gun.
The spacing and round count of the witness holes is for a 7 round 4516/4536 Magazine.
Compare it to the 10 m.m. magazine.
On the other hand;
With my little project that's going on with the conversion barrels for the 10XX's, I'm just debating on whether to go with a 3.50" or 3.75".
It "IS" just the next logical step.
Dacoontz, I've discovered that tracing a particular pistol back to a particular agent is very difficult. If you can figure out who the FFL is that handled the S&W to Agent transaction 1n 1993 it's possible the FFL will still have the pertinent record. Also, as you know, this FBI 1076 was literally on of the last ones shipped to the Gun Vault before the recall. I have another THB that was in the same shipment, 5/5/91. It's not possible determine whether any of the 5/5/91 pistols were actually issued to Agents. Hopefully the Agent that bought this pistol is the one it was issued to in the first place. But remember that Agents could buy one or any number of FBI 1076s.
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