I usually don't have that kind of luck! I am psyched though.....

I don't know if anyone is still following this thread, but I recently came across the log book we were required to keep on our 1076's and it has my pistol's serial number (THD7689) on it.
I carried that pistol from 6/9/1993 until at least 9/10/1997 (last entry in my log book.)

If anyone out there has "my" pistol, I would love to trade for it or purchase it outright. I purchased an FBI 1076 (TFP1951) from a fellow agent/FFL when we were given the opportunity, but it's not the same as having "my" gun.

Thanks for any help.

Dukeofearl, bless you for finding your log book. This pistol was without doubt a Performance Center FBI 1076, or 3rd Issue. Regrettably, it also means that it was destroyed by the FBI. In theory to get the PC 1076 you should have been issued an FBI 1076 in late 1990 or early 1991. Do you remember that? Please contact me off Forum for additional information regarding TFP1951. Thanks, Dave

I thought I would just add to this thread.
This past Summer I went in to a local shop and ask if they had any 1076's, the owner told me his buddy just retired and traded his 1076 in on a Sig.
I bought it and have been sitting on it, today I called S&W and gave them the SN#, they told me it is defiantly an FBI Gun.
Now to get a letter and figure out what it's worth...anyone see what there going for lately?

SN# is.. TFK63XX
Flat grip, no warning on slide and square checkering on the strap and trigger guard, no "T" on the trigger Guard and two "**"s on the Frame under the decocker and the end of the recoil guide.
Mag has a white follower

Interesting,must have been purchased by the individual from the batch that went to S&W since bureau owned 1076`s were destroyed when withdrawn from service so l have been told. Any chance you could speak with the original owner? There is a 1076 on gunbroker now for 1800.00 thats supposed to be a FBI 1076,no letter just some type of invoice and a newer style plastic case.

There is a TFK83xx FBI gun reported in the SCSW so the SN is definitely in the range. The best way to know for sure is to have it lettered by S&W. If it was shipped to the FBI in Quantico Va in 1990 then you have a verifiable FBI gun. Of course many were reported to have been returned to SW and resold to FBI agents as personal firearms. But the S&W letter stating it was originally shipped to the FBI in Quantico will be the best provenance. If that is the case I would say it is can be sold for $1500-$1800.If not then it is worth in the $700-$800 range.

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Keep in mind there are two varieties of FBI 1076's. The one that is posted about a few posts above would be an agent issued or was supposed to be an agent issued 1076. I sold a couple of them on here a few months back for around $1200/each. The one on gunbroker is also an FBI 1076 but it is one of the first shipment sent to Quantico for testing. They are much less common and generally demand a bit more money. They are easily identifiable with the TEU prefix.

Like mbliss and Dave said, an S&W letter is a must to confirm FBI history although if S&W confirmed over the phone than that is a good bet. Congrats.

I should add $1800 for a TEU prefixed FBI 1076 is a decent price considering 2 went for $2000+ a year or so ago. I have no horse in that race by the way and may be intereseted if I didn't already have one myself and wasn't a cheap skate.

dacoontz: I saw the post and read all 7 pages, it made me curious enough to pull out my 1076. SN TFP7777, straight backstrap, vertical lines on frontstrap, no warning, it has mag safety, no u, inverted t's, no dots. I have seen that TFP is a prefix, though the number seems high. I have never fired it- I shoot my 1006, but after reading Dukeofear's post, I thought someone might be looking and I did not want to start a new "romance" then have someone who had ties to it. I know a letter to Roy will confirm or deny, just wondered if you had a guess?? Be Safe,

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Shipped Aug 1991 according to smith, they would not say if it was or was not FBI

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You know, I believe the FBI guns were also shipped in 1990-1991 but hard to say what months specifically. I think civilian models were sold to the public around then as well though. Sometimes a letter from S&W is the only way to know for sure.

Hope you guys don't mind me reviving this thread. Wanted to thank everyone's input in the thread, because it educated me on what to keep my eye for. Recently while looking for a 1066 I ended up finding and purchasing a Smith and Wesson 1076 with serial number TEU00**. I also have a 1076 with a TFE serial number that I am currently waiting on a letter from Smith and Wesson. If the TFE turns out to be FBI gun, I can provide info on that or on the TEU. Thanks again everyone for all the info.

Since this thread seems to have been rejuvenated.. and why not..? It is one of the coolest pistols S&W made.

Here is a Pic of my FBI pistol that was shipped to Quantico VA in 1990. S/N prefix TFKxxxx
The SCSW seemed to indicate the S/N had to start with TEUxxx to be one that shipped to Quantico in 1990. This would indicate that was not necessarily so.
The pistol was returned to S&W and resold as used to another FBI agent. See last part of letter. I bought this from a retired FBI agent.
(It wasn't cheap!) But it is mine!
The letter is what seals the deal. I posted that awhile back. Without it you have no way of knowing it went to Quantico VA unless of course you were there and it was yours. Even over the phone.. it will be your word when / if you try to sell it. The $50 is well worth it.

Notice the box says used gun as it was resold by S&W and they had to sell it as a used gun.

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Seriously? I'm even more in love with mine. I shoot around 200-300 rounds a year with it. I have a TEU03xx. Infact I just got done putting a new recoil spring, guide rod, hammer spring in all sent from S&W. I need to spend the money and get an S&W letter for it.

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Yes you should letter that. Not that you shouldn't shoot it.. that's what they were made to do but remember you are playing with a $2K pistol. Treat her with care. If you have the original box it's worth even more.

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Sadly I don't have the original box. The gun was listed on a local classifieds and was, Hah, $450. Having seen photos of FBI guns I got the serial number and called S&W. They told me over the phone it was originally shipped to the academy. I offered him $400 and he took it, it was one of the few times in my life I kept my mouth shut as I knew I was buying a gem for a rock price. The owner said he bought it from a surplus store in CA, took it to the range, and fired only one box of ammo through it. Then it stayed in his nightstand until I acquired it about 6 years ago. Its in REALLY good shape, which is why I don't shoot it much.

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That sounds similar to the story of my TEU FBI gun. I saw it on a classifieds add and made an offer for mine and I think it was around $500 for the gun and 3 or 4 mags. He even drove the 3 or 4 hours and met me less than 2 miles from my home. He said he was coming to SLC anyway, so it was destined to be mine.

Like mbliss says, take care of her as she is worth some money and part of a group of 1076's that is very, very small as test guns. I don't think you could ever overshoot these guns as I am sure the FBI already tried that while they resided in Quantico.

Exactly why I still shoot it. Once its past that "never been fired" Its 6's. Do you currently reside in Utah still?

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I'm filling out the .pdf from S&W's website and getting ready to mail it out today. Any tips on filling out this form?

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Matt,
Fill everything out just as it says and if you have any specific questions regarding the gun like if it has any info about the person than may have purchased it from the factory or FBI than include that to. Roy will try and answer any question he has the answer to. Sometimes, if you don't ask specifically for certain stuff he simply won't assume you are interested. He writes a lot of these letters so only those that ask for more depth will get it, if it is available.

At least, that has been my experience. We'll look forward to the additional info. Talk to you later, Daniel.

Activating an old Post.
Finally called S&W about my 1076.Serial Number is TFK3773. Born August 1990, Shipped TO FBI Academy Quantico. I will post some pics at a later date. No stamp marks under the decocker, it has the Firing caution marked on the left side of slide and Checkering on the front strap. Box has another label over the original label with product code 179000 and used gun. This was my first 10mm purchased in 1993 or 94. It resides in my safe with 4 other cousins. #2 1006 (fixed and adjustable sights, one NIB), #2 1066 (one NIB).

This was the gun that started me collecting 10mm handguns. A total of 14 other TENs,a Kimber, Glock, A number Colts including a double eagle and one Tangfoglio. Two revolvers, Ruger and a NIB S&W 610 Classic 5 inch.

Thanks for all the posts about these guns. Always learn so much from all the wonderful folks who circulate here. Honored to be a member.

Regards, Mike C.

Awesome. Be sure to request a letter. Very early pistol. As a point of reference, TFK3774 was issued to an Agent Trainee in Class 91-3, around November 1990. TFK3765 was issued to a Special Agent in Chicago. TFK3796 was a pre-production test pistol the FTU put 1,000 rounds through in 9/90.

[QUOTE=This was the gun that started me collecting 10mm handguns. A total of 14 other TENs,a Kimber, Glock, A number Colts including a double eagle and one Tangfoglio. Two revolvers, Ruger and a NIB S&W 610 Classic 5 inch.
Regards, Mike C.[/QUOTE]

No Bren Tens? The daddy of them all.

There is no range of FBI 1076 serial numbers. There are numerous pre-fix's, TFS is just one. TFS is also a very rare pre-fix for an FBI 1076. There are less than 10 recorded. Of those, both 2nd and 3rd issue are documented. I own a documented TFS 2nd issue and I was issued a TFS 3rd issue Performance Center pistol in 1993. Nearly all Performance Center pistols were destroyed by the FBI Gun Vault just as fast as they were turned in. While some of the TFS pre-fix pistols may be law enforcement versions the vast majority of TFS pistols are civilian versions. I strongly suspect that the Jinks letter is entirely accurate.

Oh thanks now I will have to buy one
Almost did purchase one back in 2000-01. They were pricey and finicky. Made me a bit nervous spending that much cash for paperweight.

I do have a lot of old ammo including a number of boxes of Norma in various weight bullets. I did manage to score 2 CASES
of Winchester Silver tips, when the FBI abandoned this caliber.

Although the FBI still used MP5-10 a bit longer. What a country!

Mike

I might need to have my 1076 lettered, it is prefixed as TFS47xx.
I don't think it is an FBI issue though...

90 percent of all 1076s made ended up in Amory or Police LEO only surplus stores where they were sold or made available to anyone legally able to purchase. I do not know whether they were over runs of the original FBI contract but I believe guns that were destined to be FBI ended up in surplus stores due to the fact that the FBI dumped them rather quickly. So, while some destined for FBI never ended up there they went to Smith dealers especially the LEO surplus stores. That is were mine came from and it has been worked over by Novak's cause they are the best gun smiting factory I have ever seen.

While the gun craze has brought light to and increased prices in pieces like the 1076, The FBI was not fond of the firearm and it was only issued for a short time then replaced. I think they are GREAT but history tends to make things seem better than they might have actually been at the time.

My FBI 1076 serial # TFK83XX Sent to Oklahoma City.. No slide markings.

This is one of the most informative threads that I have ever read on any subject. Thanks to everyone who has responded with their research and knowledge. I just bought S&W 1076 ser# TFF7695 on here, from bigbore45colt. Currently at the top of page two, of Guns for sale or trade; with excellent photos. He had called S&W and was told that it shipped in Jan. 1992 to the Spokane WA Sheriff Dept. The slide needs to be sent to Trigicon to get the night sights brightened; if they still do that. This pistol is wearing a set of Hogue grips that have been cut to clear as shown a few pages back. My question is : of the three types of grips, which ones are the correct original type and does S&W still offer them? Thanks, Wayne

The original grips are delrin one piece wrap around grips. They made three types 1. straight 2. curved back-strap 3. FBI palm swell. The palm swell are no longer available. Personally I never liked the Hogues.
Trijicon can re-lamp the sights. Turn around used to be less than two weeks. You only send them the slide. Cost should be around 100 bucks.

Greetings S&W fans. First post. Thanks to this thread, I picked up what I believe to be an FBI 1076, Serial TEU032X. I've sent in my $50 for Mr. Jinks letter for confirmation. The pistol came with 3 factory magazines (9 round), no magazine safety, 3 dot night sights, frame mounted decocker "u" stamped on the bottom of the trigger guard, inverted "T" like mark on the left front trigger guard, factory Delrin, straight grips with the recall dot on the bottom of the grip, bobbed hammer no spur, DA/SA trigger. Night sights work but are dim. My passion is Colt 1911s, but this is one S&W that I couldn't pass up. Thanks again for all the great posts on this site.

Your purchase is most certainly an FBI 1076 and one of the original test pistols shipped by S&W to the FBI in early 1990. There are other documented TEU03** FBI 1076s. Please contact me direct for additional information concerning your pistol. D

Done. Private message sent. Looking forward to your reply.
Regards,
Sam

S&W Model 1076 Lockup
As many of you may know at least two FBI 1076s being carried by Field Special Agents reportedly “locked up” and failed to function in any respect. The two Field Offices involved were Miami and Tampa. News of the lockups spread quickly and the loss of confidence in the FBI 1076 was sudden, dramatic Both pistols were hand carried to S&W. S&W engineers inspected both pistols and in an internal document made the following observations:

“The descriptions of the pistols which locked up in Miami and Tampa were identical. The hammer was in the half-cock position; the trigger was fully forward with no freedom of movement; the hammer could not be fully cocked, and the rearward travel of the slide was limited by the hammer. Both pistols were reloaded just prior to the lockup.”

The engineers “… determined it is possible for the drawbar to be lifted and locked in a position that prevents trigger movement. Once in the locked position, neither the trigger nor the drawbar are free to move. Therefore, the slide can only move to the point where the hammer makes contact with the drawbar. Only with the hammer in the 1/2 cock position, and even then the possibility exists only on a small percentage of limits, is the drawbar free to be put into a locked position. The force that lifts the drawbar into the locked position is the top round of the magazine during loading.”

The engineers went on to state that “(t)his lockup is not possible with other S&W pistols in that the special FBI trigger has a different interface where the trigger, the trigger play spring and drawbar intersect. On standard S&W triggers, the area of the trigger that is causing the lockup has been removed.”

Following this evaluation what steps, if any, were taken to address this problem are unknown to me. What I do know is that after cleaning one of my FBI 1076s locked up rendering it inoperable. This pistol, TFP3516, was shipped to the FBI on 3/11/91. After its return it was shipped again on 2/22/94 to Bill Hicks & Company, Plymouth, MN.

This lockup is entirely different than that experienced back in 1991. The issue is that the slide will only come rearward 3mm. The decocker, trigger, and hammer function but the slide will not move. I theorized at the outset the problem centered on the guide rod becoming dislodged. Nevertheless, I began disassembling and photographing the pistol one step at a time. The photos are in an album entitled FBI 1076 Lockup.

• Removed grip
• Removed side plate and decocker lever/spring and mainspring
• Sear, disconnector assembly, etc.
• Trigger pin
• Hammer and drawbar

The slide is still locked to the frame. I invite comments and observations as to the cause and remedy for this situation.

I have had this type of "lock up" on a few different 3rd gens of different type over the years. If I remember correctly the problem was always due to the guide rod being slightly out of alignment and it was not letting the slide come back. I got it to move again by rapping the side of the slide with my fist in order to "jostle" the guide rod around a little and it eventually freed the slide.

Hope this helps,
BB

I will try the "get a bigger hammer" approach to the guide rod. Thanks!

Worked perfectly. I applied rearward pressure to the slide and rapped it three times on the right side with a rubber mallet. The slide jolted loose and came right off. You say this has happened to you repeatedly?

I am glad it worked for you. Too bad you already had taken apart most of the gun. These decocker models are tough ones to re-assemble.

Yes I have seen this a few times over the years. I have never really studied what the exact cause is but I do know for a fact it has happened to guns that are brand new and guns that were well worn/used like a police trade-in. My best guess is the guide rod is binding in the hole at the end of the slide.

Glad you got it fixed,
BB

Hello all, I have been interested in purchasing a 1076. I have recently come across a listing on GB listed as new model 1076 unfired. I did buy now. The firearm had been listed about 3 hours before I had purchased it. I feel lucky to have been able to purchase one. In communicating with the seller (retired FBI) he has informed me that there was a 30 day window in which he was allowed to purchase from S&W. He claims to have kept this in unfired condition since. I am very excited to get this in my hands. I have asked for pictures of this from him since no pictures were in listing. This is what is on its way from the agent himself. I can't wait. Thank you all for the educational experience of this discussion!!

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That's very interesting. Special Agents were given a very short window to order one (or more) of the warranty return FBI 1076s. If it n fact has not been fired that makes it even more unusual. All of the FBI 1076s were returned under warranty and the vast majority were issued and fired. I have always theorized that the Gun Vault had new unissued FBI 1076s at the time the program was halted. They would have been shipped back with the used pistols. But it did seem unlikely that S&W would then ship them out as "Used Guns." Please keep us informed when you get the pistol (w/box I trust). If you would like additional info on your pistol feel free to send me a PM.

You should ask him if he has any of the 15 round magazines too. Great pick up and with no pictures even. NICE!!!

I have picked up my 1076. It is a used model in great condition. Not new as listed. That's ok I need a shooter. I have sent the S&W Letter Of Authenticity Request Form. I will update with results. Thank you all again.

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Well done!

Mine is in pretty much the same condition, but since I didn't have its history I sent it in to S&W so they could give it the once-over and install new night sights. I also went on Wolff's website and ordered a ten-pack of magazine springs and a one# heavier recoil spring since it will be loaded with "real" 10mm.

Did you ever find anything out about that TFEXXXX pistol? I have a line on one and am curious. It also has the CAUTION on the slide.

Interesting long going thread....
I was stationed @ WTBN Quantico in the RTE shop and as a lucky Marine gunsmith candidate on the job trainee or ojt (o-jett), I got to go to the military police armourer's course @ Springfield, Mass..... (s&w plant).
We were each tasked to assemble 10 each of the 1006 model which were all slated for FBI academy coincidentially only a 1000 yards from our shop.
Nothing special in terms of different trigger assy's or lighter trigger pulls or anything different than civilian models was applied...I am sorry tbat I didn't purchase any of the guns I assembled because I was offered that option....but I was young, with a young family, and just couldn't afford to... ps, Rick Killian was Mstr Sgt Killion at that time and was our maintenance chief who went on to work next door at the academy after he retired....Col Walter Walsh was a founder of WTBN as well as one of Hoover's shiney young guns in the 1930's as well as a hero mentor to all of us at the battalion....he had a long conversation with me one evening after an inter service match finals 1992 where I asked him about Elmer Keith and Ed McGivern...he was patient and fatherly. We loved the guy....cheers!

mikeruns, it must have been wonderful to go through the S&W school. You write that you assembled ten 1006s for the FBI contract. Is this a typo? The FBI received 1076s not 1006s. What I find most interesting is that apparently S&W allowed "students" (no offense implied) to assemble FBI contract pistols. Presumably all the students in your class assembled 10 pistols leading to me to believe that 100's of FBI pistols were assembled by students. In all my years of research I have never run across this information. To me, if corroborated, it is one more indicator that S&W failed to take the FBI Contract seriously. It makes me wonder if some of the problems experienced by the FBI with the FBI 1076s might be attributed to inexperienced, non-expert, non-S&W employee, student gunsmiths assembled critical law enforcement pistols for the largest Federal law enforcement agency. Can any one else comment on Amory School students assembling Contract weapons, FBI or any other agency?

I have received my Letter of Authenticity from Roy G. Jinks and with great news. TFS3680 is a genuine FBI 1076. I am very excited to have been able to purchase an FBI model. Here are a few more pics for those interested. Thank you all again for this learning experience. Jay.

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Looking for info on 1976 TFE 202x. Complete with box and papers. The cleaning swab is slightly dirty so probably shot. What does it take to authenticate it ? Thanks

I have a 1076 TFE20xx I think has been fired but is in original box with everything. What does it cost to get a letter.? Thx

I called S&W this morning to get the original sale history of my 1076. The CS guy was fantastic; he looked it up and it has a manufacture date of January 1991 and was sold to the VA State Police. So my TFP3XXX was NOT an FBI gun.