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I would like to see the original German 9mm P08 Luger under the Walther name.
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11-10-2011, 06:48 PM
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how about in .45 acp?
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11-20-2011, 01:32 AM
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Now that's what i'm talkin about.
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11-20-2011, 11:26 AM
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Hard to see the point of a Luger with Walther trademark, but it's your dream gun.
In the meanwhile, Krieghoff will sell you a brand new Parabellum for only $17,545.00
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Having stripped down a beater P-08 for refinishing, I'm in no hurry to do it again. That is one complicated gun. I can see why nobody wants to make 'em for a resonable price. And also why the waffen switched to slave labor made P-38s.
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I would like to see the original German 9mm P08 Luger under the Walther name.
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id like to see a replica luger made to. i think its a beautiful gun,and any originals are out of reach for most people.
i think several calibers would be good.
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12-14-2011, 09:48 AM
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Mauser was making a P08 (and the Swiss version) from the late 60's or early 70's until '99. Not a bad gun, made by an original manufacturer, still available NIB if you look a little. There's an article about them ("Mauser Parabellums, Blast From the Past") in the new "Guns & Ammo" annual.
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At one time it was reported Norinco in China was going to make the Luger. I don't believe it went past a few prototypes.
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'Luger' is actually a trademark of the Stoeger Company.
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The Luger is one of those pistols that even non gun people recognize. A Texas company was producing a pretty decent replica for Mitchell then Stoeger and they can still be found. The Mauser produced Parabellums from the 70/80s were very well built and now pricey. But the best Lugers will always be original examples by the original manufacturers. They are fun to shoot and remarkably accurate, every gun collector should own at least one. Here's one of my favorite byf42s.
There's just something not right with Walthers name on a P.08
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12-16-2011, 01:08 AM
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Very nice! And you're right...every hardcore shooter/collector should have a P08.
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I agree about the Walther name on a P08. It should be an SW 08 with the S&W logo on the top of the toggle. I had a byf 42, and I can't remember why I sold it. It was a great shooter, very accurate, and the wife loved the thing. The closest thing I have now is one of Stoegers little .22 variants. It is also a good shooter. It occasionally doubles, though, and one time it emptied the whole magazine. Makes me a little nervous about taking it to a range!
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Instead of looking and waiting for another repro to come along, just buy as good a condition specimen of the real thing as you can find and afford.
They don't seem to loose value, have alot of history and for a shooter, I'd choose a 1930's to the end Mauser production.
Some very nice guns can still be found for $1000 and less, sometimes alot less if you can live w/o the matching magazine and some finish.
Repro Lugers are like repro SAA's. Some are very nice,,some not so nice. But none are the real thing and are priced accordingly if you go to sell it.
For about what you have to pay for a new production Smith with I/L & frame mounted firing pin,,you can have a Luger.
I'll take another Luger every time. I haven't bought a 'new' S&W since 1967.
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The Walther name on the Luger is no big deal. Go way back to the days of Georg Luger and DWM, the Mauser C96 aka Broomhandle was the Lugers competitor and later in the 30's they started making the P08 Luger.
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Instead of looking and waiting for another repro to come along, just buy as good a condition specimen of the real thing as you can find and afford.
They don't seem to loose value, have alot of history and for a shooter, I'd choose a 1930's to the end Mauser production.
Some very nice guns can still be found for $1000 and less, sometimes alot less if you can live w/o the matching magazine and some finish.
Repro Lugers are like repro SAA's. Some are very nice,,some not so nice. But none are the real thing and are priced accordingly if you go to sell it.
For about what you have to pay for a new production Smith with I/L & frame mounted firing pin,,you can have a Luger.
I'll take another Luger every time. I haven't bought a 'new' S&W since 1967.
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Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think the Interarms/Mauser Parabellums were "reproductions". Made in Germany, by one of the original makers, ain't "repro" and would be considered "the real thing". Maybe "reintroduction" would be a better term. As far as selling price, the Mauser Parabellums are generating a lot of collector interest and prices are not cheap. I'd agree though, that the stainless versions made here and sold by Mitchell weren't that good, nor are they much in demand.
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The 70's Mauser production fills a spot in most Luger collectors displays, but beyond that, they don't get the respect & money the original production does.
There are a few that collect the InterArms versions for sure. They can be bought a prices much below what a similar condition original production gun will go for.
Perhaps repro was the wrong word,,but examine the fit and finish on them and they in no way come close to the originals. Even War time mfg (either) quality is better than most of the Interarms soft wheel polish jobs I've seen
Most of the InterArms pistols I've seen make good shooters as do the early Mitchell stainless Lugers (usually!).
(Stoegers can be real hot and cold,,generally on the wintertime end of the QC scale.)
They are not original production and just don't have the same value & quality if you know what to look for..
Smith made original Schofields and their 'reintroduction'. The retro is a very nice firearm but I view it the same way when compared to original production.
InterArms/Mauser made Model HSc pistols in the 70's too. Nice guns but not the same as the original production.
InterArms tried the market, it didn't work out.
The new pistols were knocked out in several different versions, as very few liked the originally introduced Swiss style. (Mauser made most of the first run on old Swiss Luger machinery from the Bern Arsenal).
Everyone wanted the 'P08' version which came along with a number of others, commemoratives & special finishes.
I don't see them selling at anything near the original production Luger prices.
As long as there are still thousands of original production around at prices still affordable to most gun buyers,,why buy something less.
Especially in a Luger,, when most people buy one because of it's history, not because of it's shooting qualitys.
A collector will pay a decent price for a NIB specimen but the rest are shooters and they have to be priced accordingly to get any interest,,and that is below what an original can be bought for.
I understand what you're saying,,,I just see them a little differently.
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Awww , just for the fun of it , here's my BYF-41 "Black Widow". Holster is a repro.
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Awww , just for the fun of it , here's my BYF-41 "Black Widow". Holster is a repro.
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Nice looking pistol.
A BYF41 was my first Luger purchase back in '71.
One of my Sgt's. was getting rid of some handguns and brought out the Luger w/holster,xtra mag and loading tool,,plus a Browning HP that was a couple years old at that time and like new.
My choice either one $100.
I took the Luger much to the delight of my buddy who quickly grabbed the HP.
He still has the Browning as I do the Luger.
He shoots his more than I do though.
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The 70's Mauser production fills a spot in most Luger collectors displays, but beyond that, they don't get the respect & money the original production does.
There are a few that collect the InterArms versions for sure. They can be bought a prices much below what a similar condition original production gun will go for.
Perhaps repro was the wrong word,,but examine the fit and finish on them and they in no way come close to the originals. Even War time mfg (either) quality is better than most of the Interarms soft wheel polish jobs I've seen
Most of the InterArms pistols I've seen make good shooters as do the early Mitchell stainless Lugers (usually!).
(Stoegers can be real hot and cold,,generally on the wintertime end of the QC scale.)
They are not original production and just don't have the same value & quality if you know what to look for..
Smith made original Schofields and their 'reintroduction'. The retro is a very nice firearm but I view it the same way when compared to original production.
InterArms/Mauser made Model HSc pistols in the 70's too. Nice guns but not the same as the original production.
InterArms tried the market, it didn't work out.
The new pistols were knocked out in several different versions, as very few liked the originally introduced Swiss style. (Mauser made most of the first run on old Swiss Luger machinery from the Bern Arsenal).
Everyone wanted the 'P08' version which came along with a number of others, commemoratives & special finishes.
I don't see them selling at anything near the original production Luger prices.
As long as there are still thousands of original production around at prices still affordable to most gun buyers,,why buy something less.
Especially in a Luger,, when most people buy one because of it's history, not because of it's shooting qualitys.
A collector will pay a decent price for a NIB specimen but the rest are shooters and they have to be priced accordingly to get any interest,,and that is below what an original can be bought for.
I understand what you're saying,,,I just see them a little differently.
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I totally agree with your post. I'm looking for a nice wartime (or earlier) one now. I have a nearly NIB Interarms Swiss and a P08 pattern model. The older guns (especially the early DWMs) are gorgeous; no comparison. The Interarms pistols, like you said, fill a niche for a collector. And they're nice shooters. Not originals, but not copies, either. Here's one of mine, being used one-handed like it was designed to be used.
Bob
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Great picture! She obviously knows how to handle firearms.
I agree with the one hand shooting position. It's a handgun afterall,,not a handsgun.
Good luck in your search for an earlier production. I'm sure you'll find just what you're looking for.
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Not just a P08 but a 1908 P08.
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An original made for the Prussian government police academy an probably recalled for the German war effort. Brought back from North Africa by an Army Major in my hometown. Has the two original wooden base mags number #1 and #2 with the gun serial number stamped in the wood base. Also the Major's issue .45 holster cut down for the Luger. The gun apparently had been arsenal refinished at one time.
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I had the opportunity to handle and shoot a Swiss made Luger when I was in Switzerland. It was many years old, but still worked like a fine Swiss watch.
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