I own a number of Smith & Wesson revolvers, pistol, ARs... why don't they make a riot/home defense shotgun? I sure would like one.

They made a 916, a Model 3000A, 3000, 1000. Take your pick. Anyone can be had for under $400.00. Some, like the model 3000's are police turn ins.

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Don Mundell

We need an M&P shotgun. The old ones they made were ****

No, the model 1000, 1000P, and 3000 were all good guns, very good shotguns.

I agree about the 916, I don't need one of those.

maybe that's what I'm think in of.

I would think that the 870 and the Mossberg pretty much have the market on what we would accept from Smith in the way of quality. How can one really improve on the 870????

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Oh, you know. Some folks would complain if you hung them with a new rope.

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Don't forget winchester 300

Same reason why Remington hasn't made a .44 Magnum revolver.

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I'd prefer something along the lines of a Benelli M1 Super90 or a Beretta 1201FP.

I'm surprised they haven't made an M&P shotgun. They would definitely take some of the market with it.

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M&P 15

RECIPE FOR RIOT SHOTGUN

--- One (1) plain shotgun barrel
--- One (1) pipe cutter
--- One (1) fine rat tail file (size optional)
--- One (1) small piece of fine emery cloth

Slice barrel to desired length and blend other ingredients until smooth. Attach barrel to shotgun of choice. Add frosting (Sight, swivels, sling, etc.) to taste.

No baking required. You may store at room temp.

S&W has been really concentrating on mostly handguns and rifles. They probably figure that there is already too much competition in the defensive shotgun world so it wouldn't be a moneymaker.

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I keep my old one next to the nightstand, loaded with one in the chamber.
Model 1000,pump,with one slide, not a double bar.
A great one that I retired with.
It has never failed me, and stands silently awaiting an intruder.

And of course there is NO competition in the AR or 1911 world.

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IIRC, the old S&W shotguns were made in Japan, right?
Didn't S&W ever made shotguns in America?

I'd love to own a S&W shotgun myself (out of brand loyalty only).

Reality is that the Mossbergs, Remingtons, Winchesters and Ithacas really got you covered for pretty much anything one might need.

They aren't making shotguns for the same reason Mossberg isn't making handguns. Not enough market. Police are ditching shotguns in favor of rifles and there really isn't a big market for civilian home defense shotguns. I own two 870s that were police trades. I paid $300 total for both and I probably shouldn't have bought the second one for the amount of times I shoot them

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IL state police issued S&W 3000 (made in Japan) pump shotguns in the 1980s. They were prone to rusting & were not as good as the Ithaca Model 37 that they replaced. ISP also issued Winchester Model '97s, Model 12s & 1200s prior to issuing the S&W 3000s...

No market for defensive shotguns? From observation in my area, that's about all that seems to be moving in any significant amount. And if the long-barreled fowlers sell, it is usually the old beaters bought with the intent of chopping them for resale at a tidy profit.

Another $.02 out of my pocket.

Nothing like that around here. I bet everyone owns one but you never see them at the range, never see one being purchased at a store or show. It's seems to be one of those things that everyone bought once, just in case, and that was it

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A lot of the public ranges around here won't even allow a shotgun on the line... too much wear-and-tear on target backers, and they don't have the "run-and-gun" steel setups, which would account for the lack of sightings. (There is an exception for slugs, just before deer season, in most cases.) I know of a bunch of people that utilize the local skeet/trap ranges and switch out barrels just to get trigger-time with their defensive shotguns.

In any case, as you say, just about everyone and their dog has a defensive shotgun leaning in the corner of the bedroom, close at hand. I have a few myself, a beater 870 painted in flat-black epoxy, set up with an old OD GI sling. I set aside the 28" full-choke barrel and acquired a bent barrel from a gunshop owner friend for $20 and chopped it to 18 1/2". It's the one that sees the most duty as home defense, vermin control and also for hunting rabbit/grouse/woodcock. A few others include a chopped Rem. 48 (It's a real brute!), Rem. 58 and a Stoeger O/U Double Defense 20 ga. for my Co-Pilot. I have no problem with range time, as I live out in the sticks... just a few steps out the back door and... VOILA!

The way things are going in this world, I'm fairly certain that there are a lot more people than you realize who are buying SD/HD shotguns, or modifying sporting versions for the express purpose of self defense. I equate it to concealed carry handguns: They are to be seen only when the need arises.

Our indoor ranges allow just about every type of round. From 22 to 50BMG....if you feel like shooting the 50 at 25 yards. No problems with bimetal ammo either.


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My pal Ken Hackathorn set up a double feed on a 3000 one time on the range to show what great guns they were. He showed us that if you had a hard surface, like the ground, you could take it and SLAM the butt on the ground while pushing on the slide and that darned thing would clear itself, everytime. Kinda rough on the equipment but when things are bad you gotta get going. He once said he could vouch for the fact that a 6 foot 3 inch 200+ pounder could completely hide himself behind the curb on a street. Amazing what you can do with **** flying in your direction. S&W 3000, I think I'll find another.

S&W tried their hand at Shotguns about 35 years ago and failed. Between the Remington 870, the Mossberg 500, the Ithaca 37 and the Winchester 1200 & 1300 they have the market pretty much sewn up. Aside from that, they are having trouble producing Hand Guns of consistent quality now, they certainly do NOT need further distractions!

How about one of those Rossi circuits that doesn't suck? Chamber it in 9mm and 357, throw a houge stock and a picatinny rail and watch em sell like crazy.