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Old 04-18-2017, 11:12 PM
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I like the Heavy-Duty genre of guns. I wish S&W would resurrect the Heavy-Duty under the aegis of the Classic line.

Calibers would be .38-44 (marked as such), .41 Special, .45 Colt and reintroduce the .45 ACP and .44 Special.

They already have the dies and CNC programs (Models 21-4 and 22-4).

Make them complete with chamfered charge holes and a 'Black Powder Chamfer' cylinder and thin (.265" hammers and triggers).

People would buy them!
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Wonderful idea, and I would certainly consider one or more, if they could resist putting one of those unsightly internal locks in it. I have four modern Smiths, and they are all Cenntenniel style, as that is the only type they will offer without that lock. I have come to accept the MIM parts, even though they are also an affront to purists. But I will never purchase another Smith with a lock. Had two, and could not live with them, and sold both. I have about 3 dozen Smiths,...all revolvers....none with locks.

I know that I could buy one of those plugs that can be used to fill in the hole, and then remove the extra parts from the lock, but I have been following a thread about a welder who was able to TIG weld up the hole in a scandium frame. This seems like a great idea, and I intend to follow his work. There are so many Smiths that are so appealing, but are disfigured not only with the hole in the side, but the unsightly scratch looking arrow etched into the otherwise pristine frame of the gun.

I know that I may be a little OCD about this, so please forgive my rant. I don't mean to insult or hurt the feelngs of those who can live with these things, but it is a real sore spot with me. And the worst part is, that they probably only do this because their lawyers advise them to do so.

End of rant.

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You're right. The only frame that hasn't been 'disfigured' is the N-Frame. I have the plug in my 629-5 and 627-5. Makes them look better.

I'm sure you know, but the old forged triggers will normally work with the MIM hammers. At least it looks the way it should...

I wonder how much of our Wish List that S&W follows. With the revolver coming back to an extent, maybe Tony Miele and his team will consider some classically-themed revolvers for us "Old Guys".
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i would love to have one in each caliber
Or maybe 2. One in blue and one in nickel
And I think .41 sp would be awesome

And minus the hole in the side
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I've seen many threads where someone wants S&W to revive a classic older model. The problem is that if they did, it would be made just like every other modern S&W today. Simply put, it wouldn't be the same as the original. It wouldn't even come close.
The "Classic" line sucked. So would any other resurrected model.
If you want an older model, you're just gonna have to bite the bullet and pay the price.
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Grayfox,

Understand. Unfortunately, those of us who live in non-free states are bound by the tyrannical laws that seem to permeate places like Kalifornia.

True that the older guns have a special charm. I've been blessed to have popped the sideplate on an otherwise original un-molested 1934-vintage .38-44 Outdoorsman and have handled a 1950 pre-Model 20 Heavy-Duty. No comparison.

The ONLY thing that the new Smiths have going for them is the metallurgy and the CNC'd machinery. The new Smiths are stronger than the Smiths of yesteryear.

The 'Hillary Hole' serves absolutely no purpose whatsoever (Massachusetts and California both don't recognize them as a bona-fide storage safety). I can't fathom WHY S&W does it. My belief was that it was the result of the 1998-2000 Federal DOJ lawsuit brought about by Janet Reno at the behest of the Clintons.

We can only hope that at some point, S&W will abandon a clearly useless assembly to an otherwise great set of revolvers. Many don't realize that the S&W revolvers we know already have three safeties engineered into their design.

I often wonder if the shooting public of the early 20's was similarly upset when S&W instituted the sliding hammer block? That was due to the supposed "accidental" discharges that seem to have stung several British Officers during the Great War.

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I like the Heavy-Duty genre of guns. I wish S&W would resurrect the Heavy-Duty under the aegis of the Classic line.

Calibers would be .38-44 (marked as such), .41 Special, .45 Colt and reintroduce the .45 ACP and .44 Special.
We're the .38-44 marked as such or just .38 special?
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How about the Heritage Series? They didn't have the hole and lock. I'm lookin a several now that look light the old version.
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I've seen many threads where someone wants S&W to revive a classic older model. The problem is that if they did, it would be made just like every other modern S&W today. Simply put, it wouldn't be the same as the original. It wouldn't even come close.
The "Classic" line sucked. So would any other resurrected model.
If you want an older model, you're just gonna have to bite the bullet and pay the price.
My grail gun is a Model 21 with 4" bbl. I bought the modern-day 21-4 model several years ago to scratch that itch. Didn't work: the RB frame (altho covered over) is a turn-off and the cylinder is of .44 Magnum-length, not proportional IMHO to the original 21 design. Just sits in the safe unloved.

This is how a modern HD line will turn out, just like my 21-4.

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