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Originally Posted by franzas
You can get "real" 10mm rounds within spec. Look at old data, the modern load data is lawyered down to .40 levels.
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.I find it hard to believe that Underwood or BB could stay in business while lying about their pressure levels.
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I bought a Springfield Omega back in the 80s when it was the first 10mm I could buy and get magazines for. Being younger and poorer the price of factory ammo drove me into reloading. With that gun I found I was never able to get up to the maximum loads without seeing over pressure signs, including a couple of blown primers. In particular I remember trying to work up a load with 155 grain bullets that would generate the biggest splash possible when they hit a plastic milk jug filled with water. The gun mags at the time said AA7 was THE powder to use for 10mm and recommended a max of 13.7 grains as I recall. My 1991 Hornady manual says 13.9. I could only get to around 12 before I started having over pressure signs. The bullets were seated to the recommended depth. I later traded that gun for a 610 and found I could get up to 13.7 grains without over-pressure signs but past 12 grains there was little increase in velocity and accuracy went from tight groups to shotgun patterns. Loading long in the 610 helped.
Much of that was due to the early data recommending the wrong powder in the wrong amounts. Which is why I don't place much value in the early reloading data for the 10mm, a lot of it was wrong. I wouldn't be surprised if the Omega had a tight chamber.
I wouldn't expect +P ammo to blow up a well made gun. Even one not rated for +P. Or in the case of 10mm where there is no +P spec. But I would expect increased wear and reliability problems in guns designed for SAAMI spec ammo. If you look at the BB site or read reviews of BB/Underwood ammo you will see a lot of comments about needing to use a stronger than stock recoil spring, added buffers, etc.
I wish SAAMI would add specs for 10mm +P or 10mm "full power" so manufacturers could sell guns specifically designed for ammo loaded to Underwood power levels. Most people I know with 10mms bought them to shoot strong ammo and the guns should be optimized for strong ammo, even if that means they might not be as reliable with the 40 S&W loads in a 10mm case some ammo makers sell.
If S&W makes a 10mm L frame it should be able to handle the strongest BB or Underwood loads in stock configuration. Which shouldn't be a problem since the L frame can handle 44 magnums. Hopefully they could still get six rounds in but if there is any doubt they should go with 5.