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This thread is only to correct errors in the current 3rd Edition of Standard Catalog of Smith & Wesson.

Please use the following guidelines for your corrections.

1. SPECIFIC INFO - What is incorrect, and how should it be corrected?

2. How do you know (or why do you suspect) that information you are providing is true?

3. What SPECIFIC MODEL(s) does this info apply to?

4. What PAGE NUMBER in SCSW3 does it apply to?

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Rick and Jim,

I have been studying the .22/32 HFT (Bekeart model) for the past few years. On page 117 of the 3rd edition top of right column you state that 292 were shipped to Bekeart. Through extensive research and recounting by Roy Jinks and members of the SWCA, that number has been revised to 294.

Lower down in that same column just above the photo there is the comment (-but collectors report recessed chambers as low as 384570.) Unfortunately, I was the one that supplied you with that information not realizing that the * on the frame of my gun most likely meant that the gun went back to the factory at a later date for that modification.

Around 1914 logo goes to the right side and is slightly larger than before.

Mid 1919 the 2 screw ext stocks are replaced by the one screw patent dated regulation police style without medallions. Logo is again on the left and is the smaller version.

Cylinders were heat treated in 1920 at approximately serial number 321000.

May 1922 H. Wesson requires all revolvers to be stamped Made in U.S.A.

August 29, 1923 H. Wesson issues engineering change to return to 2 screw extension style stocks and to switch from Paine bead front sight to Patridge front sight. Rear sight goes from a U notch to a square notch.

Beginning of 1928 at approximately serial number 482000 the larger mushroom style extractor knob is changed to the medium style.

Obviously due to the way S&W produced and shipped firearms the collector will find examples that will fall on either side of these dates and serial numbers and they are approximations only.

These observations are based on years of studying this model, owning 13 examples as well as the tool room prototype for this model and building a database of almost 2,000 examples.
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Thanks James! - great information, and posted in a way that will make it easy for us to get it inserted into SCSW4 correctly!
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Hello Jim, 3rd, page 185, right side, last sentence, "... 19 is built on a frame that is slightly larger..." More detail would help clarify. Maybe a drawing with dimensions. Great book, use it above all others.
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Hi Jim, I really love your book! It is most helpful to me.

A correction for you on the "Outnumbered" Model 27-5 pistol, which is part of the "12 Revolvers" set. The barrel length in your 3rd edition shows as 7", but it actually is 6 1/2" as measured by myself on my "Outnumbered" pistol. Mine is marked "34 of 500". It is referenced on page 189 of the Kindle Edition, as well as on page 326. The rest of the information is accurate, but the barrel is definitely a 6 1/2" barrel and not a 7" barrel. That is measuring from the muzzle to the cylinder face.

One thing I did notice on my pistol is that while S&W did use a counterbored (recessed) cylinder, they used a post -2 revision extractor like they used on the -3 revision all the way up to where they changed to the present new model extractors. The extractor doesn't have the recess cuts in it like a 27-2 or earlier model and it sits a little below flush with the back face of the cylinder, in line with the recess cuts in the cylinder itself.
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On pg 220, in Model 57 Variations, 10 5/8" barrel length. Should read "Four Model 57s were made in 1984.........." This is a link to the thread I stated about the gun.
Longer barrel thread!
The one pictured in my thread is #916308
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Page 300.
Under the 3913 section, there is mention of 1997 production of a DAO version. As it turned out, the production version was of the 3914DAO and it was authorized for off duty use. The difference between the 3954 and the 3914DAO was the second strike capability of the latter. Some of the authorized NYPD vendors had them as recently as three years ago with a listed price of $699.00. They appear to be no longer authorized for purchase.

There are a few threads in the Semi Auto forum here regarding the gun.
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The .357 Combat Magnum-"Pre-Model 19"...on page 136 under Variation it states...Initial production was shipped in a dark blue presentation case. This is not correct as only eight Combat Magnums are known to have been shipped in a presentation case. K260190 is one of these and it is approximately one of the first one hundred shipped. There appears to be no "rhyme nor reason" as to why a revolver was shipped with a case.

...on page 136 under Production Changes it states ...1955: Introduction at K260001. This is incorrect as K260003 was completed on December 15, 1955 and K260001 was not completed until early January 1956. K260001 was shipped to Bill Jordan on January 5, 1956 and is the first gun shipped. I have a factory letter on K260003 and a copy of the shipping log showing the disposition of K260001, K260002, K260003, etc.

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Page 370Model 5906PC-9
Although some were actually shipped in these 1 piece SW 5906 boxes the product code 170030 was/ is a Shorty 9 Performance Center pistol. Mine was shipped in a an early 1990-1993 blue plastic case. SM PCV 0031 was shipped Oct 1993. No model markings on gun. Pistol is actually 6906 single side decocker , Briley barrel bushing. Attached is the Lew Horton ad and Lew Horton description of this Shorty 9mm. There were no 15 round steel frame 5906 PC-9s that were produced. Just shipped in that box.
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I know you've heard this one, but Page 196, second column, under Variations, second bullet should read Washington State Patrol. I know 'cause I was one, and I have two.

They came in a wood display with the shoulder patch emblem burned (I think) into the lid, and inclusive of a belt buckle. I can get you pics if you want them. Also, same page, second column, under Engineering Changes, it would be cool to note "One known" under the 28-1, to respect Azmick's find and post.
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Page 312. Model 4566

The picture below the text shows a blued gun, not stainless steel.

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Default Model 41 pages 279 & 280

I have been studying this model for a few years and have kept notes on any and all things model 41 (including 46 and 41-1) currently being 47 pages in MS word. Where I don’t have an example I extensively researched it. Current in my collection are 9 41s, 7 46s and 14 41-1s, as well as copies of most fliers and advertising material and the catalogs that contained these models.
If you do want extra material on this model I could help out however as a standard catalog the content is very good. I could add things like; Some preferred the Model 41 with the Muzzle brake off, leading to the false muzzle being released in 1958. or, Early 1961 the muzzle brake length was shortened from 1 9/16” to 1 5/16”……
Trying not to add to the material only help tidy it up I have the following contribution.

Model 41 - Page 279
“, 5-1/2” or 7” barrel;” missing the 5” barrel, change to “,5”, 5-1/2” or 7” barrel;”.
Listed in some catalogs and in some parts lists. Listed in your book page 279 2nd point production and engineering changes.

Model 41 - Page 279
Not really an error only a rewording to reduce confusion. “early versions are found with a muzzle brake on a 7 3/8” barrel” change to “early guns fitted with the cocking indicator came with either 5”, 5 ½” or 7 3/8” barrel, the 7 3/8” barrel was fitted with a removable muzzle brake.”

Model 41 - Page 279
Delete “(or rarely seen muzzle break on a 5 ½ heavy barrel).”
I suspected it may have been a mixup with the 5 ½” barrel with extendable front sight or the 5 ½” barrel in .22 short. Appears that none were officially produced as indicated by Roy Jinks when I asked the question.
Model 41 5½” heavy barrel with muzzle brake

Model 41 - Page 279
“This model had an internal removable weight made of alloy or steel” Only the 7 3/8” barrel has this weight. Change to “The 7 3/8” barrels have an internal removable weight made of alloy or steel”

Model 41 - Page 279
“early slide versions have a cocking indicator on the rear of the slide in the form of a small protruding pin.” The Cocking indicator is on the frame, it should read – “early versions have a cocking indicator on the rear of the frame in the form of a small protruding pin”. Or it could be changed to read – “Model 41s made from 1957 to 1978 have a cocking indicator on the rear of the frame, below the slide, in the form of a small protruding pin”.

Model 41 - Page 279
Counterweights, “Olympic Counterweights, alloy and steel” I see the wording as confusing. To date I believe the uppers were available in Aluminium or Steel while the lower 2 sections were only available in steel. Change to “Olympic Counterweights, were available in parts or as a set, the upper section available in alloy (light) or steel (heavy), and 2 lower sections made of steel”.
I have many model 41, 41-1 and 46 parts lists and none list a mid or lower section in alloy only steel. Before you change this might be best to check you original source of material (they may have the only one) as with S&W never say never.

Model 41 - Page 279
Tool room guns, “Know examples are T1001 – T1011” The model 41 tool room guns are “T1001 – T1025” This came from Dwayne Charron book.

Model 41 - Page 279
“Full set of steel and aluminium barrel weights worth”. Full set could be either, aluminium upper steel lowers, or all steel. Change to “Full set of barrel weights worth”.
This comes from the many model 41 parts lists I have.

Model 41 - Page 279
“Commercial introduction at serial number “1401” Should read “3001”.
The number of 1401 didn’t add up so I asked the forum, Roy Jinks replied.
http://smith-wessonforum.com/swca-me...01-1955-a.html

Model 41 - Page 280
“1976: 5” and 5-1/2” barrels with extendable front sight dropped from the catalog.” Can be read that both have extendable front sight, change to remove confusion, “1976: 5” field barrel and the 5-1/2” with extendable front sight dropped from the catalog.” I would remove the reference to the 5” altogether as although it was dropped it was reintroduced later in 3 main variations. “1976: The 5-1/2” with extendable front sight dropped from the catalog.”

I would be quite happy to rewrite the whole section to help with the flow, or critique any rewriting.
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SCSW3 Page 307, model 4046.
The photo shown is not correct, it should be all stainless. It looks like the same photo on the opposite page which is the 4044.

Same page, #307, 4046TSW.
The photo shows a decocker/safety with spurred hammer and is described as having a spur hammer. A DOA shouldnt have a spur hammer and/or a decocker/safety. BUT the photo clearly shows the model# as 4046tsw... So it seems that photo is a 4006TSW built on a 4046TSW frame because it was now possible to do the conversion from DAO to TDA(or vice versa) with the then-new TSW frames/slides. That photo, which is a beautiful gun and even though the model# on the frame is correct, the photo itself shouldnt be used as a reference for the specific model 4046tsw. Unless your explaining about the TSW guns being able to swap action modes with only internal parts *and a safety(which was impossible with the early DOAs) then the photo would be very useful.

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I too am a big fan of the work and book. I have read it so much its fallen apart. I just bought a Kindle version!

Anyhow a few things I have noticed

Pg 142, 143

The paragraph after the Postwar victory seems in the wrong spot. Should be on top before the Postwar paragraph?

P226
This is RM Vivas's work.
Model 64 NY-1, 4th paragraph, Starts "Of the five different barrel lengths/ butt shapes"...
Reads:
"519 of the 3"RB; 478 of the 2"RB and 96 of the 3" RB."

Not sure whats right or wrong here. Should it be "96 of the 3" SB"? In the forum discussions its has been stated the no 3" square butts were made and none have been found?

P223

Engineering and Production Changes

60-2 1987, NYCPD

60-8 1990, NYCPD

If we read P226-227, no mention of 60-2 or 60-8, only M60 and thats not on P223?

Confusing...


P285

Model 39: Early Steel Frame and Steel Slide

Seems as if all 39s are steel frames and 39-2s are alloy. Some clarification on the titles perhaps?

Thank You!
I am looking forward to the new edition!

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I have been studying this model for a few years and have kept notes on any and all things model 41 (including 46 and 41-1) currently being 47 pages in MS word. Where I don’t have an example I extensively researched it. Current in my collection are 9 41s, 7 46s and 14 41-1s, as well as copies of most fliers and advertising material and the catalogs that contained these models.
If you do want extra material on this model I could help out however as a standard catalog the content is very good. I could add things like; Some preferred the Model 41 with the Muzzle brake off, leading to the false muzzle being released in 1958. or, Early 1961 the muzzle brake length was shortened from 1 9/16” to 1 5/16”……
Thanks!

If you'd like to add a few paragraphs of narrative on the Model 41, we would try very hard to shoehorn it in.

If you tackle it, please include "You have my permission to include this in current and future editions of Standard Catalog of Smith & Wesson."

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More of an update than a "correction"



Model 625-7: 555 units send to Lew Horton with 3” barrel on round butt frame chambered in 45 Long Colt. Matte stainless finish, RR/WO with Altamont rosewood combat grips.

Production breakdown of:

“CCV” prefix July-Dec 1998 (167 units) “CDB” prefix Dec 1998- Jan 1999 (111 units) “CDD” prefix Feb-Aug 1999 (127 units) “CDZ” prefix March- June 2000 (112 units) “CEB” prefix June 2000 (38 units). Additional specimens not distributed by Lew Horton have been identified. That number of units is unknown. All units in this configuration (Lew Horton or otherwise) are product code 148121. Pages 253-255



Model 657-4: 154 units manufactured with 3” barrel on round butt frame. Matte stainless finish, RR/WO with Altamont rosewood combat grips. Distributed by Lew Horton July 1998. Product code 148119. Pages 267-268



Model 610-2 production was 318 units delivered to Lew Horton. Page 250



All information obtained from Earl Minot at Lew Horton. Letters can be provided if need be.
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Please see post 12 for a little about me. I will keep model specific information that have multiple corrections/suggestions on separate posts. Hopefully this works better for you.

Model 41-1 Page 275
The contents is lacking a Model 41-1 entry, Add “Model 41-1: 22 short target” between model 41 and model 46.

Model 41-1 Page 280
“made for international target shooting, which is restricted to the .22 short cartridge”. The competition the 41-1 was made is Rapid Fire other international events used the 22 long rifle cartridge, change to “made for international rapid-fire competition which was restricted to the .22 short cartridge.”

Model 41-1 Page 280
“In 1986 28 were assembled from parts on hand.” The guns were assembled in 1976 change to “In 1976 28 were assembled from parts on hand.” The serial number of these guns indicates 1976, factory letters on a few say they were shipped Jan 1977, the earliest one I have seen is 6th Jan 1977. I think the error came from the factory letter that on a few stated they were shipped in 1986, then confused with manufacture date.

Model 41-1 Page 280
“Very few with 5” heavy barrels.” The heavy barrel was 5 ½”. Should read “Few 5” lightweight barrels and very few 5 ½” heavy barrels (pictured).

Model 41-1 Page 280
“A genuine 41-1 barrel will not chamber a .22 Long Rifle cartridge” more importantly to distinguish the barrels they are stamped. Change to “41-1 barrels will not chamber a .22 Long Rifle cartridge and are stamped “22 SHORT CTG”.” All the barrels I have seen are stamped 22 short and all my barrel are stamped, I have 14 41-1s as well as another 5 barrels.

Model 41-1 Page 280
“serial number range 20000 – 350000” should read “serial number range 20000 – A350000”. It is my opinion the highest serial number is in the high A3048XX range. Of the 28 supposably assembled from parts (yes I have doubts) I can tell you 27 of them are below A304817, this was the last run of 41-1s. Very confidently say “serial number range 20000 – A305000”
Or change to “serial number range 20000 – A170000 with the 28 assembled from parts in 1976 between A290000 – A305000”

Model 41-1 Page 280
The picture of the 2 41-1s, the 7 3/8” one at the top is a Model 41. I may well be the only one to notice it, regardless it would be nice if was a real 41-1.

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Page 300 There were quite a few more 3914's included in the "451 3913 prototypes lacking a milling cut in the trigger guard area." Myself and two other members here own 3914's in the listed serial range, exhibiting the milling cut in the trigger guard area.

Page 175 Model 10-6 .357 Magnum. According to my Jinks letter on my 10-6 357, there were 1200 10-6 357's for the NYSP. These were dispersed through the D serial prefix range and shipped to Richard Sherburne Co in Greenfield MA in 1973. The letter goes on to state that there were a total of 3000 10-6 357's made, some later restamped 13-1. But those were not all NYSP guns.

Page 271 No mention made of the 6 inch 686 CS1's made for the Customs service pistol team. IIRC there were 12 made.

Oh, I don't recall the page number but the Performance Center Model 14 PPC - Mr Jim Rae, before he retired, Emailed me that there were "...131 to 135 of the full lug model 14 PPC guns made..." He also mentioned that there were at least 6 made with 2.5 inch full lug barrels included in that total. Phil Hemphill owns one. So there were more than 100 total made.

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Page 290. Model 457 Value Line Compact
Based on threads in the semi auto forum here from owners, the Zander two tone special versions don't command a premium, but the stainless slide versions do.
I mention it as pricing is part of the reason for the book.

Actually, I'm not sure if that is a correction or new information, but I'll leave the post in this thread.
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Model 44 maximum security hinged model cuffs is incorrect.
Should be:
Model 94 maximum security chain link model cuffs (introduced 1969).
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If you wouldn't mind, could we get more info on the Performance Center 4516. It is listed in the PC product codes, but the description is not clear. "(PCCT)" ???

And it is not listed under the 4516 variations. Thanks! Regards 18DAI
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“5 ½ or 7 3/8” barrels,” Should read “5” field, 5 ½” heavy, and 7” barrels,” The 3rd ed has the correct barrel lengths in the Engineering and Production Changes on page 280.

Model 46 - Page 280
“The slide/barrel assembly of this model can interchange with that of the Model 41 but not the reverse.” Technically incorrect, Should read – “The slide & barrel assembly from a Model 46 can be used on a Model 41 also the reverse. The Model 41 slide however will not fit a Model 46 barrel, due to the lack of a slide cut on the Model 46 barrel. A Model 46 slide will fit on a Model 41 barrel, leaving the barrel slide cut exposed.” In some catalogs and fliers the short and long rifle conversion kits were advertised as for both the Model 41 and Model 46.

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A comment. “Slight Variations of this model are found.” I think you need to check the original source of this material and what was meant by it. There are a few variations however the slide cut change from square to round is the only real significant change that was specific only to the Model 46, that is, not occurring on the Model 41 or Model 41-1. Many more variations exist in the Model 41, and Model 41-1. This comment could be applied to most models, my opinion is to delete it.

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This thread is only to correct errors in the current 3rd Edition of Standard Catalog of Smith & Wesson.

Please use the following guidelines for your corrections.

1. SPECIFIC INFO - What is incorrect, and how should it be corrected?

2. How do you know (or why do you suspect) that information you are providing is true?

3. What SPECIFIC MODEL(s) does this info apply to?

4. What PAGE NUMBER in SCSW3 does it apply to?

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1. The J Serial Prefix for 1971-1972 is listed as J1-999J99 . . . it should read 1J1-999J99

2. As listed the J1 to J99999 serial numbers would duplicate those in 1969-1970

3. The revision would apply to all J-frame models listed - Models 36, 37, 38, 49, 50

4. Correction applies to page 399 in Appendix 2 Serial Number Range by Year.

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Page 294, model 908.
The photo shown as example is a 410S instead of the 908.

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The photo on page 366 for the model 952 shows a stainless gun.
I have in my collection one of the 200 original guns and it is blue
finish. The description is correct but the photo attibuted is incorrect. Thanks Robert
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Jim,

This was posted in error. Sorry.

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1. The J Serial Prefix for 1971-1972 is listed as J1-999J99 . . . it should read 1J1-999J99

2. As listed the J1 to J99999 serial numbers would duplicate those in 1969-1970

3. The revision would apply to all J-frame models listed - Models 36, 37, 38, 49, 50

4. Correction applies to page 399 in Appendix 2 Serial Number Range by Year.

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Jim,

I don't know how to word it properly, but more clarity on the Floating J wouldbe much appreciated. Anyone want to take a shot?

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. . . more clarity on the Floating J wouldbe much appreciated. Anyone want to take a shot?
Post #9 in this thread from 2012 was my best shot . . .

Date/Info on SW 3" 36 SB

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On pg 144 under the K-38 Masterpiece - "Pre-Model 14" it has a paragraph under variations - Police Guns: It states the Kansas City, Kansas, Police Department purchase of 4" Masterpieces. Actually it was the Kansas City, Missouri, Police Department that purchased 375 units that shipped 4/1/57.

Roy's serial number listing of the KCPD 4" K-38 Masterpieces (which were 4-screw, pre-model 14s) on pg 265 of book I does not specify Kansas or Missouri . . . just KCPD.

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Page 289, Model 439, “First gun was serial number A670220, produced February 26 1981……Produced 1979 – 1988”. On page 401 the serial number A670220 is from 1981. I can only guess that the “Produced 1979 – 1988” should be “Produced 1981 – 1988”... Then... On page 394, 1982 is the date give as the introduction of the 2nd gen DA. This should possibly be changed to 1981? ....but wait there’s more... then looking at the other 2nd gen models, we get 459 - 1979, 539 – 1980, and 559 – 1980. I can tell the 439, 459 are in the 1980 catalog and 439, 459, 539, are in the 1981 catalog. Clear as mud in a beer bottle floating down the Colorado. Um, err, oh well, back to you.

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Page 294, Model 745. You may need to get a 745 collector to give you a hand with these, that person is not me. There are a few oddities with this model, it has confused me a little, looking forward to the 4th to clear all that up.

Page 294, Model 745. “Serial number range DVC0001 – DVC 5000” The serial prefix “DVC” was for the IPSC Anniversary model. It also appears that the production numbers were just over 5000. It appears that a few (DVCXXXX) left the factory missing the markings. Other, non IPSC, 745’s were produced with a different alpha prefix serial number (TB). Change to “IPSC Anniversary 745's produced with a DVC alpha serial number prefix, approximately 5000 produced.

Page 294, Model 745. See above, “Also found with and without…….on the right side of the slide”. Change to ““IPSC 10th Anniversary 1976 – 1986” stamped on the slides in a special run.“

Page 294, Model 745. see above and above that. Heading for the model. Consider removing “10th Anniversary Commemorative” WEG (Well Educated Guess) or to be more specific WAG (Wild A-- Guess) there were more standard (non IPSC) guns produced in at least 5 different alpha prefix and around 5100 DVCXXXX 745’s.

Page 294, Model 745. If you run with the above. Add to the variations “Premium for DVC prefix IPSC marked 745s.”

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p.s. Notice that the 745 was introduced in 1986 with DVC and in the 1987 catalog, cataloged as IPSC marked 745. The 1988 catalog has no mention of the IPSC markings. The 745 only appeared in these 2 catalogs, however is in the 1989 price list.
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Very minor nitpik- Could you please number the pictures of the Model 3 engraving examples, p. 40, 3rd edition.

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Few more corrections.

Page 64, photo write-up, "Model 1 is a .32 cal" should be "Model 2 is a .32 cal ".

Page 105 Australian Model, “Australian stocks usually differ, but not always,…….. in that the screws enter the wood from the right side.” From what I understand it’s the first shipment of 250 with the screws from the right, the next shipment were from the left.

Page 109, Variations 2nd point, “shorter frame opening with 1-7/8 cylinder, later long frame production has 1-9/16” Being in Australia and upside-down and all may explain it, but I cannot get my head around how the longer cylinder fits in the smaller frame?

Page 281, Model 61. Might be splitting straws here. Produced 1970 ~ 1973. The model 61 first appeared in the 1969 catalog.

Page 283, Model 2206. The picture caption “Model 2206s” Change to “Model 2206 top & Model 2213 Bottom”.

Page 287, Model 52, “and Model 52-3 1971 – 1993” this is a typo should be “52-2”

Page 371, Model 79G, “Single shot rifle” should be “Single shot pistol”

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1. INCORRECT COPY: Under "Variations No-Model Numbered: Approximately 1600 early production Model 39s did not include the model number designation. Listed without model number in 1957 circular."
CORRECTED: The "Model 39" designation is absent from at least 2,623 early production models (aka, "Pre-39," "No-No," "Ain't No Model Number on This Baby").

2. How known is the above claim?
See accompanying image of Serial No. 2623, owned by DC Williams, who additionally owns Serial No. 2104. Image Courtesy of The DC Williams Collection (Should additional angles and/or mega-pixel image be desired, "We'll git 'er dun.")

3. "To which SPECIFIC MODEL does this information apply"
Well, you see, that's the problem . . .

4. On What SCSW3 page number is found this supposedly incorrect information?
Found On Pg. No. 286

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Jim, Regarding the Brazilian Contract 1917 revolver described in SCSW3 on page 164 (top right paragraph) it indicates they were supplied with smooth wood grips.
I believe some (if not most) were supplied with checked diamond walnut service grips with the large silver medallions.
In addition, the hammer, trigger and small S&W logo were stamped with "reg. u.s. pat. off."

I have observed these markings on not only my example but also on several examples in person and in pics and articles.

Thanks for ALL that you and Rick are doing!

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Page 327, the section on the CS40. Describes the CS40 as "double action only". I believe that other than some that were modified at the factory, the CS 40, like the other CS guns was TDA. The product code section for the CS40 shows TDA.

Also, it might be good to clarify that the stainless version (108544) has an alloy frame.
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I have been studying this model for a few years and have kept notes on any and all things model 41 (including 46 and 41-1) currently being 47 pages in MS word.

I would be quite happy to rewrite the whole section to help with the flow, or critique any rewriting.
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One should be careful what one offers. If that still stands, please email me jsupica@nrahq.org and request the SCSW4 Model 41 text. I'll send it to you for editing and (concise please) rewrite.

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DONE THROUGH HERE

And thank you to all! These messages, with their very specific and easy to understand corrections, have been especially helpful!

If you have more, please keep them coming!
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In researching a recent find it appears the SCSW#3 has limited & incorrect information on this 945 variation.

On page# 365 it states #170156 is a 5" bbl., & other features unknown.

This thread, by Steve H., has a lot of good info/documentation on the 945's.
CATALOG OF 945 PC VARIANTS - very LARGE accumulated reference material
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Rather than type out all the features for it, I've enclosed a screenshot (attached) of the RSR brochure/flyer Steve included in his thread, as documentation. It appears the #170156 & #170169 are related models differing only in their color, distributors, & starting serial number prefixes.

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Hello Mr. Supica in the SCSW3 the official date that the .357 magnum cartridge was announced is not listed.

I did some research and I found the Official date. according to the book Guns & Ammo the shooters Guide to Classic firearms.

Page 135

the Official date that the .357 magnum cartridge was introduced is April 8, 1935

Please add this information to the 4th addition.

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DONE THRU HERE
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There seems to be a minor error on page 189 of scsw3.
Paragraph title is Model 21-4 reintroduction
The picture caption describes a 21-4 (Rd butt and engraved side plate) but actual picture seems to show slightly different revolver (Sq butt and no gold TR logo)
Just FYI
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A slight typo on page 226.

Location: On page 226 in the article by R.M. Vivas under the Model 64 NY-1 heading.

Typo: In the first sentence of the third paragraph the word "frame" is spelled "frmae".

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On some of the earliest guns, the serial number was applied only to the butt and the frmae.....
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Hi Jim:

On page 135, left column at the bottom under .357 Magnum
-"Pre-Model 27" , first paragraph:

" One source puts the first .357 Magnum short action as serial number S75514, c. Nov. 13, 1950. However, see conflicting
information on that serial number at the listing for the .38/44
Heavy Duty Model of 1950. This model was offered with the
choice of blue or nickel finish (rare)".....

Are you referring to the 38/44 Heavy Duty Model of 1950 as
being rare with the nickel finish, or are you referring to the
pre-27 as being rare in the nickel finish? The wording is a
little confusing.

Great catalog. Looking forward to the 4th edition.

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This is a very tiny correction, but on page 260 where the Model 629 Variations are shown: Under Product Code 103611 it is shown as a 3" Square Butt. This revolver is a Round Butt.
It is also dual ported, with a bear scene etched on the right side.

I own one of these revolvers.

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Minor item, but is anyone commenting on the 625 section re: -2s in 3"and 5" -2 examples with laser markings instead of roll marks ?

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DONE THROUGH HERE

THREAD CLOSED.

Please post all new corrections, comments, info, photos & values in the SCSW4 Late Comments thread.

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