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Jim, Page 155:

(1) The Truman .357 Magnum Transitional Postwar Serial# S71893, is listed in the Transitional area under Noteworthy Examples as as 8.375”, but then is listed again just below on the same page in the Pre-Model 27 area under Variations as an 8.75”. It should really only be listed under the Transitional area but I am not sure which barrel length is correct - I do note that it is listed as an 8.375” in Jim Fisher’s Transitional data base listing.

(2) Another noteworthy Transitional example has recently surfaced. It is Serial# S71964 which letters as an 8.5” (yes, 8.5”) with bright blue finish and was shipped to E. F. Warner, Publisher of Field and Stream, on May 11, 1948. Picture attached.




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Great book!
Page189, right column: "with standing" should be "withstanding".
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No defination of the word "Tangs". Took me awhile to figure out what those dang "Tangs" were.
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How about some info on the different grip screws. diameter, screw pitch, screw heads, finish, material made from ect.
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Gentlemen, thank you for another wonderful book. I am a student of the .22/32 HFT (Bekeart Models) so I will add the following:

Page 132 "2. First Bekeart-Pattern production run....
states S&W made 1044 actually should be 1050 serial numbers are 138,226 to 139,275

Page 132 three lines above the photo you discuss 384570 as having recessed chambers. This is my gun and I reported it to you but failed to realize that since this gun has a * preceding the serial number that this gun was most likely sent back for this upgrade and not shipped this way.

There is another very interesting group of guns shipped 1-31, 2-18, 2-21, 2-27 and 3-19-1914 to M.W. Robinson in NYC. What is interesting is that these 490 guns, unlike the Bekeart shipped guns, are all consecutively numbered without any being shipped to other distributors. Unlike the former examples, the S&W logo is now moved to the right and is slightly larger. Serial 207,926 to 208,415

The logo stays this way until 1919 when guns are produced without any logo. In 1921 the logo moves back to the left and is reduced again to the small size. In the late 30's the .22/32 was brought out with a 4" barrel and called the "kit gun". Logo is now large and moved back to the right side. It is believed that the demise of the 6" .22/32 HFT was due to the introduction of the new K 22 in 1931.
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I just bought a Model 640. The serial number is CEN0347. It has a pair of smooth GA stocks. No box or papers. In SCSW 4th Edition it says CEN reported. I have one to confirm that number.
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Jim. I'll try to find a ship date in it.
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Hi Mr. Supica,
I just bought the 4th edition. I love this book! It's very thorough and interesting. Thanks for taking the time to compile all of this extremely useful information.
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Errata:

Page 154, second column line 8 states the following:

"Fifteen shipped to Postal Service in 19378".
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I might have missed it and it's minor thing. At what point did the 629-4 change from old to new style cylinder release? Also the early 29-5, not much attention was given to what is different about them as compared to the Classic which came after. Small things. Thanks.
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Erratum: (A fancy word for a boo-boo---or in this case, perhaps just a boo; because while the statement in question is correct, it is extremely misleading.)

The statement appears as the first item under "Variations" applicable to the K-22 1st Model on page 136. It reads as follows: "Earliest production had only one screw holding on the rear sight." As noted, that statement is correct. That said, with but one rather obscure exception, all similar sights on all pre-war hand ejector targets had only one screw attaching the rear sight to the frame. I'll suggest the path of least resistance for a correction is to simply delete it.

An option is to try to explain the differences between the early and later sights without writing a book within a book----treating with the following:

Given a desire to note the difference in early and later sights, you can note the later sight is the first S&W target sight with an elevation adjusting and locking procedure which will not "shoot loose". You can go on to note ALL the earlier and later sights employed only one screw to adjust elevation, while the later sight for the K-22 1st (the so-called "two screw" sight) employs both rear screws to adjust elevation---and to lock the adjustment in place. Given the need to explain such a statement, your best bet is to reprint S&W's instructions. As an alternative, you can simply state if the sight is adjusted and locked intuitively, it will have been done incorrectly and will "shoot loose" (albeit not likely with a .22---but for sure and certain with the larger calibers).

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.45 Hand Ejector U.S. Army, Model 1917

Page 192 ... It states, " "S&W D.A. 45" is stamped on the barrels right side."

It is actually stamped on the left side of the barrel. (At least it is on serial # 136720.)

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Update on .38 Double Action 1st and 2nd model serial numbers on page 95. Letters now list the 2nd model serial number starting at about 3700.
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Page 289
Model 442 under Variations it says 'This variation is actually Lighter than the Ti seies because of the all alloy cylinder." Then two lines later says
"Actually slightly lighter than the Ti series."
It's kind of redundant and the L in Lighter should be lowercase.


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Model 438 bodyguard says Produced 2009-2011. I have one made in 2014 and the sideplate says Airweight unlike the earlier models that say Bodyguard. Same product code 163438.


Page 288
Add the 437-2 with product code 10274. I think the -2 change in all black started sometime in 2016 probably too late for publication. The nominal cylinder length is 1.59" like the 438 and other J magnum frame 38 Specials.
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M&P Bodyguard 38 and 380 models were swtiched from Insight to Crimson Trace lasers around July 2014.
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Jim: I had just recently confirmed with Roy something that had bugged me for quite some time, that the 36-6 is listed as having only produced 615. It is listed this way in SCSW4 on page 244. I have heard over the years a couple comments of a much larger amount. Roy tells me the records show that there were 2000 made. His posting is listed in the Assoc. members section under Questions for Roy and his answer was 5/20/18.

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Under
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In the 2nd paragraph it says 'between 19070 and 1993'
It should be 1970.
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Under the section
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3/4 of the way down the length is 15"es".
I think it should just say 15"
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Under the section
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At the end of the paragraph it says 'Pictinny style rail'.
It should say Picatinny
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In the index 'TRITIUM' should be in bold like the other entries
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In the section for the Model 915 it states 'A limited run of 915s was produced in 1999 before the Brady law went into effect'. The Brady Law went into effect Feb. 28, 1994.
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Page 186: Triple Lock section. States the following: "Premium for nickel finish." How much? 2%, 5%, 10%, $1.99?

Also, I recently created a thread about this in the Hand Ejector: 1896 to 1961 section, questioning this. What makes me salivate is a richly blued Triple Lock with vibrant case-coloured hammer & trigger. If given a selection of identical revolvers, one being blued and one being nickel, at the same price, I likely would select the blued one, and might be inclined to pay a slight premium for that one, vs the nickel one.

In my recently created thread, it appears others express my sentiments and it might be foolhardy to suggest that there is a premium for nickel finish Triple Lock revolvers.

Also, given the number that are offered for discussion on the forum, and for sale from time to time, I would not consider a nickel finish Triple Lock rare or even uncommon.

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No, it didn't. It was signed into law on November 30, 1993, but various lawsuits and the resultant Supreme Court decision kept it at bay until at least or after 1998 . . .

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No, it didn't. It was signed into law on November 30, 1993, but various lawsuits and the resultant Supreme Court decision kept it at bay until at least or after 1998 . . .

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Using your source of Wikipedia, second paragraph

The original legislation was introduced into the House of Representatives by Representative Charles E. Schumer[3] in March 1991,[1] but was never brought to a vote. The bill was reintroduced by Rep. Schumer on February 22, 1993 and the final version was passed on November 11, 1993. It was signed into law by President Bill Clinton on November 30, 1993 and the law went into effect on February 28, 1994.
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I don't know if this has been previously found and mentioned but in the 4th edition on page 223 in the description of the model 23, line 13. In the barrel description it is called 'checked', should it not be 'checkered'?
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Back at ya', same web page. Apology accepted:

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After the Brady Act was originally proposed in 1987, the National Rifle Association (NRA) mobilized to defeat the legislation, spending millions of dollars in the process. While the bill eventually did pass in both chambers of the United States Congress, the NRA was able to win an important concession: the final version of the legislation provided that, in 1998, the five-day waiting period for handgun sales would be replaced by an instant computerized background check that involved no waiting periods.[18]

The NRA then funded lawsuits in Arizona, Louisiana, Mississippi, Montana, New Mexico, North Carolina, Texas, Vermont and Wyoming that sought to strike down the Brady Act as unconstitutional. These cases wound their way through the courts, eventually leading the U.S. Supreme Court to review the Brady Act in the case of Printz v. United States.

In Printz, the NRA argued that the Brady Act was unconstitutional because its provisions requiring local law enforcement officers to conduct background checks was a violation of the 10th Amendment to the Constitution (Brief Amicus Curiae of the National Rifle Association of America in Support of Petitioners, Printz v. United States, 521 U.S. 898, 1997). Based on these grounds, the NRA told the Court "the whole Statute must be voided."

In its 1997 decision in the case, the Supreme Court ruled that the provision of the Brady Act that compelled state and local law enforcement officials to perform the background checks was unconstitutional on 10th amendment grounds. The Court determined that this provision violated both the concept of federalism and that of the unitary executive. However, the overall Brady statute was upheld and state and local law enforcement officials remained free to conduct background checks if they so chose. The vast majority continued to do so.[19] In 1998, background checks for firearm purchases became mostly a federally run activity when NICS came online, although many states continue to mandate state run background checks before a gun dealer may transfer a firearm to a buyer.

Background checks for firearms purchases operate in only one direction because of the Firearm Owners Protection Act.[20] That is, although a firearms dealer may obtain electronic information that an individual is excluded from firearms purchases, the FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) do not receive electronic information in return to indicate what firearms are being purchased
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What did I ever do before I got the 4th edition?? I volunteer to edit/proofread the 5th edition before it comes out. Not in a technical sense - I don’t know serial numbers or what guns had what barrel lengths - but I can find typos, misspelled words, punctuation errors, run-on sentences, grammatical errors, and the like. OR, if you like I can send you a page by page edited text of the 4th edition. Let me know. Dave
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