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Jim, Page 155:

(1) The Truman .357 Magnum Transitional Postwar Serial# S71893, is listed in the Transitional area under Noteworthy Examples as as 8.375”, but then is listed again just below on the same page in the Pre-Model 27 area under Variations as an 8.75”. It should really only be listed under the Transitional area but I am not sure which barrel length is correct - I do note that it is listed as an 8.375” in Jim Fisher’s Transitional data base listing.

(2) Another noteworthy Transitional example has recently surfaced. It is Serial# S71964 which letters as an 8.5” (yes, 8.5”) with bright blue finish and was shipped to E. F. Warner, Publisher of Field and Stream, on May 11, 1948. Picture attached.




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Great book!
Page189, right column: "with standing" should be "withstanding".
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No defination of the word "Tangs". Took me awhile to figure out what those dang "Tangs" were.
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How about some info on the different grip screws. diameter, screw pitch, screw heads, finish, material made from ect.
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Gentlemen, thank you for another wonderful book. I am a student of the .22/32 HFT (Bekeart Models) so I will add the following:

Page 132 "2. First Bekeart-Pattern production run....
states S&W made 1044 actually should be 1050 serial numbers are 138,226 to 139,275

Page 132 three lines above the photo you discuss 384570 as having recessed chambers. This is my gun and I reported it to you but failed to realize that since this gun has a * preceding the serial number that this gun was most likely sent back for this upgrade and not shipped this way.

There is another very interesting group of guns shipped 1-31, 2-18, 2-21, 2-27 and 3-19-1914 to M.W. Robinson in NYC. What is interesting is that these 490 guns, unlike the Bekeart shipped guns, are all consecutively numbered without any being shipped to other distributors. Unlike the former examples, the S&W logo is now moved to the right and is slightly larger. Serial 207,926 to 208,415

The logo stays this way until 1919 when guns are produced without any logo. In 1921 the logo moves back to the left and is reduced again to the small size. In the late 30's the .22/32 was brought out with a 4" barrel and called the "kit gun". Logo is now large and moved back to the right side. It is believed that the demise of the 6" .22/32 HFT was due to the introduction of the new K 22 in 1931.
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I just bought a Model 640. The serial number is CEN0347. It has a pair of smooth GA stocks. No box or papers. In SCSW 4th Edition it says CEN reported. I have one to confirm that number.
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Jim. I'll try to find a ship date in it.
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Hi Mr. Supica,
I just bought the 4th edition. I love this book! It's very thorough and interesting. Thanks for taking the time to compile all of this extremely useful information.
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Errata:

Page 154, second column line 8 states the following:

"Fifteen shipped to Postal Service in 19378".
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I might have missed it and it's minor thing. At what point did the 629-4 change from old to new style cylinder release? Also the early 29-5, not much attention was given to what is different about them as compared to the Classic which came after. Small things. Thanks.
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Erratum: (A fancy word for a boo-boo---or in this case, perhaps just a boo; because while the statement in question is correct, it is extremely misleading.)

The statement appears as the first item under "Variations" applicable to the K-22 1st Model on page 136. It reads as follows: "Earliest production had only one screw holding on the rear sight." As noted, that statement is correct. That said, with but one rather obscure exception, all similar sights on all pre-war hand ejector targets had only one screw attaching the rear sight to the frame. I'll suggest the path of least resistance for a correction is to simply delete it.

An option is to try to explain the differences between the early and later sights without writing a book within a book----treating with the following:

Given a desire to note the difference in early and later sights, you can note the later sight is the first S&W target sight with an elevation adjusting and locking procedure which will not "shoot loose". You can go on to note ALL the earlier and later sights employed only one screw to adjust elevation, while the later sight for the K-22 1st (the so-called "two screw" sight) employs both rear screws to adjust elevation---and to lock the adjustment in place. Given the need to explain such a statement, your best bet is to reprint S&W's instructions. As an alternative, you can simply state if the sight is adjusted and locked intuitively, it will have been done incorrectly and will "shoot loose" (albeit not likely with a .22---but for sure and certain with the larger calibers).

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.45 Hand Ejector U.S. Army, Model 1917

Page 192 ... It states, " "S&W D.A. 45" is stamped on the barrels right side."

It is actually stamped on the left side of the barrel. (At least it is on serial # 136720.)

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Update on .38 Double Action 1st and 2nd model serial numbers on page 95. Letters now list the 2nd model serial number starting at about 3700.
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Page 289
Model 442 under Variations it says 'This variation is actually Lighter than the Ti seies because of the all alloy cylinder." Then two lines later says
"Actually slightly lighter than the Ti series."
It's kind of redundant and the L in Lighter should be lowercase.


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Model 438 bodyguard says Produced 2009-2011. I have one made in 2014 and the sideplate says Airweight unlike the earlier models that say Bodyguard. Same product code 163438.


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Add the 437-2 with product code 10274. I think the -2 change in all black started sometime in 2016 probably too late for publication. The nominal cylinder length is 1.59" like the 438 and other J magnum frame 38 Specials.
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M&P Bodyguard 38 and 380 models were swtiched from Insight to Crimson Trace lasers around July 2014.
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Jim: I had just recently confirmed with Roy something that had bugged me for quite some time, that the 36-6 is listed as having only produced 615. It is listed this way in SCSW4 on page 244. I have heard over the years a couple comments of a much larger amount. Roy tells me the records show that there were 2000 made. His posting is listed in the Assoc. members section under Questions for Roy and his answer was 5/20/18.

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