I have no way of knowing whether you're being facetious,sarcastic or sincere but many would agree with that.The 458 diameter bullet is not considered a large bore by everyone.

As I said,I don't want to nitpick about where one draws the line between categories but I do think that the description of "cartridges in the class of 416 Rigby and 458 Win mag being the minimum"was clear enough.That was given at the very first post that started the thread.To leave no doubts,I also said that the 375 H&H (as good as it is) is not a heavy and also that reduced loads are not relevant in the discussion.

In my personal view,heavy rifles begin with the general class of 416 Rigby,etc (being sort of light heavy) and move upwards from there to what some would call a super heavy(which to me means 577 Nitro Express and above.)

I never even insinuated that this discussion would be relevant to everyone,most or even many.