I haven't followed S&Ws for a few years so I wasn't sure what frame they used...although I figured it must have been the L..If I carry I usually carry a Wilson Combat 45..Mainly because I've carried one since The late lamented nastiness in Southeast Asia. I have carried othersincluding a M-19 in the 4 inch persuasion. Carrying a gun is a PITA so living in Wy as I do now I very seldom carry. Every body else around me has one so they'll probably save me I may actually carry this one though. As you said..dressing around it really doesn't look too hard to do. Thanks for the info Now I think I gotta get that 3 inch 657 I'm lookin at.