After weighing all the pros and cons of carrying the Model 84..Beretta .380...or a Browning Hi-power...Mountain Gun....even a .45 Auto......just went back to my S&W Model 36-1.///....J Frame with a 3 inch barrel......Galco makes a Real Neat 6 round Ammo Holder that folds over your Belt.....so small no one would guess you are carrying extra 6 rounds........Hey...anything over a 11 round shoot-out.....would be a major shoot out anyway.......the Model 36 with the 3" inch barrel is light...easy to carry....and i put some oversize grips to fit my bigger hand.......easy to conceal.......and with the Hollow Points that have the peculiar looking little "needle" down inside...(Ive heard these referred to as "secret service loads".....they should handle just about any situation.....I do appreciate all the advice and response..........Gerhard