I've got 2 of the 9130 full size rifles that I pay'd under $100.00 for one has a laminate stock and the other a beech stock.I also have a m44 carbine with the folding bayonet and a m38 carbine without the bayonet these cost around $80.00 or so. I 've only shot the with the heavy 175 grain yellow tip ammo if you do your part these rifle's will shoot 1 1/2"- 2" group's with not to much trouble. If I remember correctly I got the carbine's and the beech stocked rifle from S.O.G. and the laminate rifle from Aim several year's ago with my C&R Lic. They are fun to shoot along with my Arisaka's.Enfield's ,Mauser's and my other American mil-surp's